So. Basically what the title says. There's a Legacy event at my local store every Sunday, and I'd like to start making a deck slowly through trading my Standard stuff for it. It's not a terribly competitive Legacy environment so I don't think I would be going 0-4 every time even if I make a deck that isn't the best. So ... I was wondering what would be a good deck to build piece-by-piece like that. I have a KCI deck with Lotus Petals that's pretty bad [I'd guess? it's Salvaging Station from Mirrodin :P], and the backbone of a Madness deck [with Daze and ... uhh ... budget FoW, in this case Foil]. I'd be fine playing pretty much anything that's relatively cheap, Fish might be cool, as would ANT or something. Any suggestions? The cost is ... prohibitive-seeming. [I was actually thinking about Kobolds, if that is an interesting deck beyond the fun of 'Ooh, Glimpse! Oh, now I storm you to death.]
I would build something myself, but the pool of cards is a bit oppressive. I remember the first deck I made was like this:
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In the process of making these decks, it seems pretty good ... umm ... thanks everybody! I've played Dredge before, it was just standard [back during ravnica, too, so it didn't have, uh, Bridges ... was a pretty bad deck until then]. Generally ... I don't see why people say Dredge is so hard to play. Obviously playing against people hating me is going to take a while to pick up, but I should be set for g1's ... uhh, keep hands with draw spells or with lots of dredge, and then dredge, and then win somehow.
I'll probably mess with the 2 and 3-ofs in the meantime [heck, I'm doing that RIGHT NOW].
*edit*
After playing with it for a bit more I understand how it's hard to play. That'll take a while. Oh well. I'll learn with my deck or something!
Still don't have it in RL yet [as you can see, though, I did just buy a bit of it ... 1/3 to go! If only that wasn't ... half the lands and the Bridges and Ichorids. And yes, I know Cabal Therapy needs to be in the deck, I'm just facing current reality. :P]
*edit2*
So close now. Just have to wait for packages to come in/trade for Bridges. ... And get Therapies but that's in the future amirite?
my mouth is full of winsome lies -
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but luckily the soul is wise -
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so as i come again alive,
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Hooray! I get more people to look at my thread - it's in my signature. The Price of Legacy - Check it out!
Anywho, 4 Cursecatcher will run you about...$2 not 3. Coralhelms (3) are gunna be $6, yadda yadda yadda. I'll forwarn you - from trying to play Legacy on a Budget - your NOT going to be winning any tournaments any time soon (sorry to say it, I've tried :L). Who knows, you might place good
Best bet for a cheap legacy deck are...Any Tribal Deck, LEDless Dredge, MBA and Burn...
You can take a Standard Vampire deck, trim a few of the more costly vampires, throw in a Carnophage, maybe some Doom Blade removal...Might get you somewhere
Well, whatever you do - good luck to you man. Your going to need it oO
The Islandwalk on LoA is what really makes Merfolk shine.
Try looking at LEDless dredge, and MonoBlack Aggro would be close to the cheap side as well, if you ignore Dark Confidant.
The main expensive card left there is Tombstalker, and if you felt like it, you could switch for Confidants, which will run you 60$ in total(15 apiece).
Jitte's are always good, and they'll run you 20$ each, and you need about two or three.
Tombstalker is about 10$, so you could try those instead.
Have fun building, and then playing.
Don't expect to win tournaments -> your goal is to sneak into the Top 8 as that 3-2 seed.
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If you don't have alot of time to test out the dredge before the tourny, highly suggest not building it. I find it one of the hardest decks to pilot properly. If you are able to test it thoroughly, its one of the best decks in legacy! Burn however, I believe its cheaper and is very easy to pilot.
LEDless dredge is unplayable, save up a lil bit and buy them. they arent that much if you look on ebay or small card shops, i got mine for 12$ a piece on ebay a few months ago. i mean seriously goblins isnt that bad either, its just outclassed by zoo.
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currently playing:
legacy: Doomsday, Dredge, BUG (shard less and still)
modern: storm, woo dredge, U-tron
EDH: maelstrom wanderer, Gisela, krenko, lazav, sharrum, sheoldred/xiahou dun, norin the wary, Thrax, Mimeoplasm, GW legends
I got all of the Merfolk for about $30, which includes the LoA, Cursecatcher, Reejerey, Wake Thrashers, etc. Force of Wills were the only expensive cards in the deck but it has so much other uses that you'll definitely get your money's worth out of it. I got Aether Vials when they were $6 apiece so for me they weren't terribly expensive, but nowadays they might be. I built it 30 minutes before a semi-competitive Legacy tournament (some jank but some top tier decks too) and got 1st and lost only one game to Goblins. So it's not a tough deck to play. All in all the deck cost me like $30 for the Merfolk as I said before, $20 for the Vials, and like $90 for the Force of Wills since I traded some Maelstrom Pulses for it, so it came out to $140 to build it and it still performs well.
At another Legacy tournament I was playing Zoo and I played against a more budgetized version of Merfolk; it ran the regular ol' Counterspell in place of Force but for the most part it was the same as a regular Merfolk deck. Needless to say I stomped all over it but it's still an option if you don't want to get the Forces just yet.
@XenoNinja: I spent a while looking at that thread. Mainly in despair.
@akira: it's definitely one option. ... I meant to have the LoA's in there, I guess they'd be in over the other lord, the ... uh ... unblockable +1/+1 guy, right? Yeah.
@LED-less Dredge: Sounds ... odd. I dunno. Is it horrible? Is it just a combo deck? ... Hum.
So no tourney wins for a while. Will I feel hopelessly outclassed in terms of decks? ... Gah, I really hope not. Is Foil completely out of the question i.r.t. a FoW replacement [I mean, is Counterspell actually better]? It's not really a question of sneaking in to the top 8, I think, since there are really only 8 people there usually. Though that might change, the cost got changed to $0 for the tourney. [:P]
I'm bidding on a set of Vials as we speak. We'll see, it looks like I might be able to snag them for $6 each on eBay through bidding.
my mouth is full of winsome lies -
and eyes are full of death besides
but luckily the soul is wise -
it sees beyond my blindness and
forced failure makes a better guise,
so as i come again alive,
it feels like life's a decent plan
LED-less dredge is aggro-combo. The combo involves Bridge From Below, but even if the card gets Extirpated or exiled, you can beatstick into a win with recurring threats. First game, you'd probably find most match-ups to be in your favor with the deck. Main hope second or third is to out-do the opponent's hate and race into a win; it's a gamble, but if your opponent isn't prepared, it might be just as easy.
The deck'd probably run you around 60$, maybe less. Sideboard is the key, though, and that can run you anywhere from 20$ to over the price of the deck itself depending on what you're shooting for (my SB's sitting around 20$ worth at the moment)... Chalice of the Void, Pithing Needle, Stifle, Firestorm, Oh My!
If you're looking for more info on Dredge, you may want to consider putting together a proxy deck and testing it out. It really doesn't play like any other deck, so it might just not be for you.
On your other question, Foil isn't really good since its alternate cost can prove to be even MORE costly than just a counterspell. I guess I'd say it depends on the deck you run it in, to be honest...
And I'll 2nd the motion for Lord of Atlantis. Plenty of decks run islands, and those that don't... Well, beefcake merfolk'll do it pretty well anyway.
A bump for one reason and one reason only: I don't have $160 for the Forces. Don't think of it as me cutting, think of it as me not spending almost literally all my money on them. ... Yet, lol.
So: I wandered around, and someone was suggesting Disrupting Shoal. Obviously this isn't as good, at all ... but is it OK? Could it work as a kind of stopgap replacement? [As a bonus, it's really cheap ...]
And, @ LED-less Dredge: I am slowly becoming more intrigued by the idea. ... We'll see. [Past Bridges I think the rest of the deck is dirt cheap, right? .... Yeah.] I remember playing Dredge in Rav block. To think it would be a viable Legacy deck, well ... actually, OK, maybe that was fairly expected.
my mouth is full of winsome lies -
and eyes are full of death besides
but luckily the soul is wise -
it sees beyond my blindness and
forced failure makes a better guise,
so as i come again alive,
it feels like life's a decent plan
Dredge as a competitive budget deck. It wins through hate and the whole thing can run (albiet, not optimatlly) for ~80. That's a little over 1 dollar a card in your 75. Tough to find a better tier 1 deck do the same. Toss an Iona in there to have her recursion as alternate early lock win. I hate dredge but admit it's a very potent deck to run...not to mention affordable.
Burn if you're not going to tourneys can also be a house, but it's next to no skill and people will not be happy to face you lol.
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I mean, hell, we're all on a forum for something that most people would describe as a "children's card game"...do what makes you happy. You are never too old to enjoy yourself.
I really don't want to run Burn. Egh.
How is the LED-less list in the top post? I basically read the first post of the Ichorid deck and made slight changes. [=no LED and horrible sideboard.]
The lands are probably pretty bad. ...
my mouth is full of winsome lies -
and eyes are full of death besides
but luckily the soul is wise -
it sees beyond my blindness and
forced failure makes a better guise,
so as i come again alive,
it feels like life's a decent plan
The first post is actually pretty spot on. Personally, I'd run -1 Deep Analysis, +1 Careful Study, -1 FKZ, +1 Cephalid Sage/Sphinx of Lost Truths (since you're going to run Ichorid and not Bloodghast, probably the Sphinx). Your list is very similar to the deck I've got together, except that I run 3 P.Imp and 3 Tireless Tribe, no Deep Analysis, and a split of 3 Ichorid and 2 Bloodghast (with a Dakmor Salvage or two so I can actually bring them back).
And I'd pull out one Iona and the Brainstorms for the SB, add 2/3 Nature's Claim (WONDERFUL card) and 2/3 Circular Logic. Maybe nix the Chalice for Pithing Needle, but that really ends up being a meta choice...
Either way, DEFINITELY proxy the deck out and play some games with it (20-or-so games should give you a feel for how it plays) before you build it. It really doesn't play like anything else as far as I'm aware, and takes a LOT of practice.
As always, two bits, grain of salt, so on and so on.
ED-less dredge doesnt top really it just shows up. next lvl dredge how ever is really consistant, they traded explosiveness for consistant power. id say dredge is the best deck in the format right now because the only deck that can race you is ANT, most other decks lose game one to you and you just have to paly aroudn their hate, unless its Leyline its able to paly around game 2.
if dredge was such an easy to beat deck why would wizards keep printing gravehate EVERY SET? dredge can play around any hate jsut by slowing down, nothing a chain of vapor cant deal with that really slows us down.
in final point LED-less dredge is still dredge but why bother playing the worse version of a deck?
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legacy: Doomsday, Dredge, BUG (shard less and still)
modern: storm, woo dredge, U-tron
EDH: maelstrom wanderer, Gisela, krenko, lazav, sharrum, sheoldred/xiahou dun, norin the wary, Thrax, Mimeoplasm, GW legends
ED-less dredge doesnt top really it just shows up. next lvl dredge how ever is really consistant, they traded explosiveness for consistant power. id say dredge is the best deck in the format right now because the only deck that can race you is ANT, most other decks lose game one to you and you just have to paly aroudn their hate, unless its Leyline its able to paly around game 2.
if dredge was such an easy to beat deck why would wizards keep printing gravehate EVERY SET? dredge can play around any hate jsut by slowing down, nothing a chain of vapor cant deal with that really slows us down.
in final point LED-less dredge is still dredge but why bother playing the worse version of a deck?
Perhaps because it's budget?
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2nd. It costs a little better than 100$ less than LED dredge. The explosiveness that LED-based Dredge has is lost without its namesake, but LED-less still gets beyond-lethal on the board in 2-4 turns.
Aside: I don't think this is the right thread to argue LED vs. non-LED... Maybe we should just keep trying to help Sam make a good, competitive, budget deck, eh?
I just realized that Chalice of the Void is worth $15-ish? ... This is nice, I may be able to trade them for other Legacy staples or something, since I have a playset. They're played, though.
I'll bump when I finish making a[any?] deck ... at least, get something to any form of playable. I think this is enough suggestions - thanks for them, though!
I've started bidding on Dredge stuff, though I'm not so sure that this will endear me to the people at the store.
@lower: Ooh, NotDH. I love that card.
We'll see - I'll probably make a lot of these extra lists after I buy Forces. ... DID YOU KNOW FORCE OF WILLS ARE EXPENSIVE.
@last post: I played Dredge in block, I TOTALLY KNOW WHAT I'M DOING.
Don't worry, I'll misplay every deck, and I don't have time to playtest anything, so hooray.
Depending on results I may end up dropping my first $100 or so on Legacy. [It's for a good cause, say the FoW's. Yeah. ... I'm cheap. ... WE SHALL SEE. GOGO EBAY.]
my mouth is full of winsome lies -
and eyes are full of death besides
but luckily the soul is wise -
it sees beyond my blindness and
forced failure makes a better guise,
so as i come again alive,
it feels like life's a decent plan
Land Island
Fetches Mutavault(if you want to spend a little)
Its a fun deck, the goal is to get annoying flyers down early, then standstill (if in hand), swing in, drop a ninja in and get around the standstill. The denial makes this deck a fairly weird deck to play against but all in all its a fun deck
Edit1:Just read your last post, my bad, but its here if you want it.
Edit2:Cards Listed are ones i have tested and have turned out fairly well.
I broke into legacy playing budget decks.
However, to really move from budget to the full gamut of competitive, it took a while.
My (personal) top 5 budget Legacy Decks.
1 Mono Blue Control.
I won goyfs, duals, moat, and many many packs with this deck. The prices have risen since the deck was constructed more than a year ago.
20 island
3 mishras factory
4ancestral vision
4 spellsnare
4 counterspell
4 powder keg
4 vedalken shackles
4 vendilion clique
4crptic command
4 fact or fiction
4 force of will
1 guile.
The base of this deck is 2 jace vrs chandra precons shoved together. Your biggest expenditure will be 4x force of will, a key staple in Legacy. Their price drives the price of the whole deck, as the rest of it is <$10 per card.
BELCHER!
1 taiga
3 empty the warrens
4 belcher
4 burning wish
4 chrome mox
4 lotus petal
4 lion's eye diamond
4 rite of flame
4 desperate ritual
4 land grant
4 G spirit guide
4 R spirit guide
4 seeting song
4 mana morphose
4 pay 2 life cycle
4 tinderwall
This deck will destroy developing metagames. It also has some history of placing well at large events. Especially when piloted by a magnificent jew named Ethan.
Burn Deck Burns
Various Lists.- meta dependant.
Very cheap, effective at top8ing in developed meta games.
LED-less dredge.
The most main-stream competitive deck that just happens to also be cheap. It has good results as well a series of articles to help prime you through starcitygames. I recommend not tinkering with the stock list.
Lastly:
Monoblack aggro
Take Evagreen, replace tarmogoyf with nyxathid. DONE
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LEDless Dredge is actually pretty a really good deck when you can master to play the deck. It is the main deck I roll with and actually really enjoy to play, for decks like this that's a big thing. However, one issue I see with dredge is that, just like affinity, it gets a pretty bad reputation since the deck is really cheap to assemble, so most new people will pick it up, do poorly with it, and opposition gets a bad impression of the deck as well as to those that tried it. It's a pretty hard deck to master as sideboarding and mulliganing issues, while they matter as well for other decks, this small step is actually a really big impact on dredge's game.
If you are just getting into legacy, I would advise you to stay away from dredge mainly for one important thing... "Staples". Dredge has very little cards that see play from other decks. I would advise you to play decks that has a lot of options to carry over the cards to other decks. FoW, Brainstorm, Ponder, Stifle, Wasteland, Aether Vial, blue fetches and duals, easily carry over to other decks. So when you've grown tired of the said decks and wanted to branch over to another, building the next deck becomes much easier.
Dredge lacks those so called staples, and doesn't have as much of a "carry over" potential that the others just carry. If you have the LED already, maybe you can branch to something like TES, ANT, SI, or belcher. But not nearly as much as what the others could have offer.
Besides, if you're going to play dredge, play test it heavily, play it a lot, and play it as if its the only deck you have.
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Wanted to update this:
So I built Dredge, but I'm missing several important cards. I bought Vials so I decided to play Merfolk [really crappy merfolk ... I'm missing several Merfolk cards too] and took first in a 4-man round-robin tourney [3-0, woo]. No prizes. ... Hopefully more people come next Sunday, it's supposed to be free and for a box in prizes but eh.
lol, this deck is so bad. But it worked I guess! I beat Boros 2-0, then Goblins 2-1, and then Enchantress 2-0.
I'm only missing the Imps and Breakthroughs from Dredge, really ... and the Therapies. And ... I guess Golgari Thug. Have the rest of the deck just waiting. ><
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my mouth is full of winsome lies -
and eyes are full of death besides
but luckily the soul is wise -
it sees beyond my blindness and
forced failure makes a better guise,
so as i come again alive,
it feels like life's a decent plan
Anywho, 4 Cursecatcher will run you about...$2 not 3. Coralhelms (3) are gunna be $6, yadda yadda yadda. I'll forwarn you - from trying to play Legacy on a Budget - your NOT going to be winning any tournaments any time soon (sorry to say it, I've tried :L). Who knows, you might place good
Not necessarily. One of my friends continuously Top 8's with LED-less Dredge. And zoo isn't too expensive if you can find something to replace 'Goyf. Plateau, Savannah and Taiga are the cheap-ish lands. Better than starting off with the Underground Seas (which were my first duals, back when they were $30 each).
I would build something myself, but the pool of cards is a bit oppressive. I remember the first deck I made was like this:
4 Contamination
4 Junk Diver
Here's my "first deck", so to speak:
13 Island
3 Misty Rainforest [yay standard]
4 Scalding Tarn [continuing, I already own these]
4 Cursecatcher [in the process]
4 Coralhelm Commander [1 more]
4 Silvergill Adept [check]
4 Lord of Atlantis [$12]
2 Merfolk Soveriegn [check?]
3 Wake Thrasher [$12]
3 Spellstutter Sprite [This is supposedly an answer to Sligh and burn and stuff. I want to test it. Do not deny me this test!!!]
4 FoW [$130-ish]
4 Brainstorm [free]
4 Aether Vial [$40?]
3 Mindbreak Trap [lols Stifle against AnT]
4 Cephalid Colosseum [have]
4 City of Brass [$6: have 2]
4 Gemstone Mine [$10]
2 Tarnished Outpost [have]
4 Bridge from Below [$25: possibly in discussions to trade for]
3 Dread Return [have]
3 Deep Analysis [have]
4 Ideas Unknown
4 Circular Logic
4 Careful Study [have]
4 Narcomoeba [$3, have 1]
3 Golgari Thug [getting]
4 Stinkweed Imp [have]
4 Golgari Grave Troll [have]
3 Ichorid [have]
2 Putrid Imp [getting]
4 Tireless Tribe [have]
4 Breakthrough [$8]
Random Cards I own, i.e.
4 Chalice
1 Iona
3 Nature's Claim [I had Ancient Grudge here ...]
3 Mindbreak Trap
4 Circular Logic
In the process of making these decks, it seems pretty good ... umm ... thanks everybody! I've played Dredge before, it was just standard [back during ravnica, too, so it didn't have, uh, Bridges ... was a pretty bad deck until then]. Generally ... I don't see why people say Dredge is so hard to play. Obviously playing against people hating me is going to take a while to pick up, but I should be set for g1's ... uhh, keep hands with draw spells or with lots of dredge, and then dredge, and then win somehow.
I'll probably mess with the 2 and 3-ofs in the meantime [heck, I'm doing that RIGHT NOW].
*edit*
After playing with it for a bit more I understand how it's hard to play. That'll take a while. Oh well. I'll learn with my deck or something!
Still don't have it in RL yet [as you can see, though, I did just buy a bit of it ... 1/3 to go! If only that wasn't ... half the lands and the Bridges and Ichorids. And yes, I know Cabal Therapy needs to be in the deck, I'm just facing current reality. :P]
*edit2*
So close now. Just have to wait for packages to come in/trade for Bridges. ... And get Therapies but that's in the future amirite?
and eyes are full of death besides
but luckily the soul is wise -
it sees beyond my blindness and
forced failure makes a better guise,
so as i come again alive,
it feels like life's a decent plan
Anywho, 4 Cursecatcher will run you about...$2 not 3. Coralhelms (3) are gunna be $6, yadda yadda yadda. I'll forwarn you - from trying to play Legacy on a Budget - your NOT going to be winning any tournaments any time soon (sorry to say it, I've tried :L). Who knows, you might place good
Best bet for a cheap legacy deck are...Any Tribal Deck, LEDless Dredge, MBA and Burn...
You can take a Standard Vampire deck, trim a few of the more costly vampires, throw in a Carnophage, maybe some Doom Blade removal...Might get you somewhere
Well, whatever you do - good luck to you man. Your going to need it oO
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Try looking at LEDless dredge, and MonoBlack Aggro would be close to the cheap side as well, if you ignore Dark Confidant.
The main expensive card left there is Tombstalker, and if you felt like it, you could switch for Confidants, which will run you 60$ in total(15 apiece).
Jitte's are always good, and they'll run you 20$ each, and you need about two or three.
Tombstalker is about 10$, so you could try those instead.
Have fun building, and then playing.
Don't expect to win tournaments -> your goal is to sneak into the Top 8 as that 3-2 seed.
legacy: Doomsday, Dredge, BUG (shard less and still)
modern: storm, woo dredge, U-tron
EDH: maelstrom wanderer, Gisela, krenko, lazav, sharrum, sheoldred/xiahou dun, norin the wary, Thrax, Mimeoplasm, GW legends
At another Legacy tournament I was playing Zoo and I played against a more budgetized version of Merfolk; it ran the regular ol' Counterspell in place of Force but for the most part it was the same as a regular Merfolk deck. Needless to say I stomped all over it but it's still an option if you don't want to get the Forces just yet.
@akira: it's definitely one option. ... I meant to have the LoA's in there, I guess they'd be in over the other lord, the ... uh ... unblockable +1/+1 guy, right? Yeah.
@LED-less Dredge: Sounds ... odd. I dunno. Is it horrible? Is it just a combo deck? ... Hum.
So no tourney wins for a while. Will I feel hopelessly outclassed in terms of decks? ... Gah, I really hope not. Is Foil completely out of the question i.r.t. a FoW replacement [I mean, is Counterspell actually better]? It's not really a question of sneaking in to the top 8, I think, since there are really only 8 people there usually. Though that might change, the cost got changed to $0 for the tourney. [:P]
I'm bidding on a set of Vials as we speak. We'll see, it looks like I might be able to snag them for $6 each on eBay through bidding.
and eyes are full of death besides
but luckily the soul is wise -
it sees beyond my blindness and
forced failure makes a better guise,
so as i come again alive,
it feels like life's a decent plan
The deck'd probably run you around 60$, maybe less. Sideboard is the key, though, and that can run you anywhere from 20$ to over the price of the deck itself depending on what you're shooting for (my SB's sitting around 20$ worth at the moment)... Chalice of the Void, Pithing Needle, Stifle, Firestorm, Oh My!
If you're looking for more info on Dredge, you may want to consider putting together a proxy deck and testing it out. It really doesn't play like any other deck, so it might just not be for you.
On your other question, Foil isn't really good since its alternate cost can prove to be even MORE costly than just a counterspell. I guess I'd say it depends on the deck you run it in, to be honest...
And I'll 2nd the motion for Lord of Atlantis. Plenty of decks run islands, and those that don't... Well, beefcake merfolk'll do it pretty well anyway.
Two bits, salt, etc.
Bad One.
Wut?
So: I wandered around, and someone was suggesting Disrupting Shoal. Obviously this isn't as good, at all ... but is it OK? Could it work as a kind of stopgap replacement? [As a bonus, it's really cheap ...]
And, @ LED-less Dredge: I am slowly becoming more intrigued by the idea. ... We'll see. [Past Bridges I think the rest of the deck is dirt cheap, right? .... Yeah.] I remember playing Dredge in Rav block. To think it would be a viable Legacy deck, well ... actually, OK, maybe that was fairly expected.
and eyes are full of death besides
but luckily the soul is wise -
it sees beyond my blindness and
forced failure makes a better guise,
so as i come again alive,
it feels like life's a decent plan
I mean its not THE best deck, but you are looking at consistent turn 3-4 wins.
So Pro I have an alpha Volcanic Island
Burn if you're not going to tourneys can also be a house, but it's next to no skill and people will not be happy to face you lol.
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How is the LED-less list in the top post? I basically read the first post of the Ichorid deck and made slight changes. [=no LED and horrible sideboard.]
The lands are probably pretty bad. ...
and eyes are full of death besides
but luckily the soul is wise -
it sees beyond my blindness and
forced failure makes a better guise,
so as i come again alive,
it feels like life's a decent plan
And I'd pull out one Iona and the Brainstorms for the SB, add 2/3 Nature's Claim (WONDERFUL card) and 2/3 Circular Logic. Maybe nix the Chalice for Pithing Needle, but that really ends up being a meta choice...
Either way, DEFINITELY proxy the deck out and play some games with it (20-or-so games should give you a feel for how it plays) before you build it. It really doesn't play like anything else as far as I'm aware, and takes a LOT of practice.
As always, two bits, grain of salt, so on and so on.
Bad One.
Wut?
if dredge was such an easy to beat deck why would wizards keep printing gravehate EVERY SET? dredge can play around any hate jsut by slowing down, nothing a chain of vapor cant deal with that really slows us down.
in final point LED-less dredge is still dredge but why bother playing the worse version of a deck?
legacy: Doomsday, Dredge, BUG (shard less and still)
modern: storm, woo dredge, U-tron
EDH: maelstrom wanderer, Gisela, krenko, lazav, sharrum, sheoldred/xiahou dun, norin the wary, Thrax, Mimeoplasm, GW legends
Perhaps because it's budget?
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2nd. It costs a little better than 100$ less than LED dredge. The explosiveness that LED-based Dredge has is lost without its namesake, but LED-less still gets beyond-lethal on the board in 2-4 turns.
Aside: I don't think this is the right thread to argue LED vs. non-LED... Maybe we should just keep trying to help Sam make a good, competitive, budget deck, eh?
Bad One.
Wut?
I'll bump when I finish making a[any?] deck ... at least, get something to any form of playable. I think this is enough suggestions - thanks for them, though!
I've started bidding on Dredge stuff, though I'm not so sure that this will endear me to the people at the store.
@lower: Ooh, NotDH. I love that card.
We'll see - I'll probably make a lot of these extra lists after I buy Forces. ... DID YOU KNOW FORCE OF WILLS ARE EXPENSIVE.
@last post: I played Dredge in block, I TOTALLY KNOW WHAT I'M DOING.
Don't worry, I'll misplay every deck, and I don't have time to playtest anything, so hooray.
Depending on results I may end up dropping my first $100 or so on Legacy. [It's for a good cause, say the FoW's. Yeah. ... I'm cheap. ... WE SHALL SEE. GOGO EBAY.]
and eyes are full of death besides
but luckily the soul is wise -
it sees beyond my blindness and
forced failure makes a better guise,
so as i come again alive,
it feels like life's a decent plan
Creature Options(the first 5 are my personal choices)
Ninja of Deep Hour
Mistblade Shinobi
Ornithropter
Spellstutter Sprite
Zephyr Sprite
Cloud of Faries
Cloud Sprite
Flying Men
Spells (F.o.W. if ya wanna buy them)
Daze
Standstill
Propaganda
Spell Pierce
Curfew
Land
Island
Fetches
Mutavault(if you want to spend a little)
Its a fun deck, the goal is to get annoying flyers down early, then standstill (if in hand), swing in, drop a ninja in and get around the standstill. The denial makes this deck a fairly weird deck to play against but all in all its a fun deck
Edit1:Just read your last post, my bad, but its here if you want it.
Edit2:Cards Listed are ones i have tested and have turned out fairly well.
Sig and Avvy by Heroes of the Plane Studios
Ninjas
Fish
Dredge
EDH
Sharuum
legacy: Doomsday, Dredge, BUG (shard less and still)
modern: storm, woo dredge, U-tron
EDH: maelstrom wanderer, Gisela, krenko, lazav, sharrum, sheoldred/xiahou dun, norin the wary, Thrax, Mimeoplasm, GW legends
However, to really move from budget to the full gamut of competitive, it took a while.
My (personal) top 5 budget Legacy Decks.
1 Mono Blue Control.
I won goyfs, duals, moat, and many many packs with this deck. The prices have risen since the deck was constructed more than a year ago.
20 island
3 mishras factory
4ancestral vision
4 spellsnare
4 counterspell
4 powder keg
4 vedalken shackles
4 vendilion clique
4crptic command
4 fact or fiction
4 force of will
1 guile.
The base of this deck is 2 jace vrs chandra precons shoved together. Your biggest expenditure will be 4x force of will, a key staple in Legacy. Their price drives the price of the whole deck, as the rest of it is <$10 per card.
BELCHER!
1 taiga
3 empty the warrens
4 belcher
4 burning wish
4 chrome mox
4 lotus petal
4 lion's eye diamond
4 rite of flame
4 desperate ritual
4 land grant
4 G spirit guide
4 R spirit guide
4 seeting song
4 mana morphose
4 pay 2 life cycle
4 tinderwall
This deck will destroy developing metagames. It also has some history of placing well at large events. Especially when piloted by a magnificent jew named Ethan.
Burn Deck Burns
Various Lists.- meta dependant.
Very cheap, effective at top8ing in developed meta games.
LED-less dredge.
The most main-stream competitive deck that just happens to also be cheap. It has good results as well a series of articles to help prime you through starcitygames. I recommend not tinkering with the stock list.
Lastly:
Monoblack aggro
Take Evagreen, replace tarmogoyf with nyxathid. DONE
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It's probably better than LED dredge overall.
Also, read this: http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/legacy/18948_Ideas_Unbound_Legacy_Dredge.html
That's all the basics about LEDless Dredge right there. Definitely one of the best primers I've ever read.
If you are just getting into legacy, I would advise you to stay away from dredge mainly for one important thing... "Staples". Dredge has very little cards that see play from other decks. I would advise you to play decks that has a lot of options to carry over the cards to other decks. FoW, Brainstorm, Ponder, Stifle, Wasteland, Aether Vial, blue fetches and duals, easily carry over to other decks. So when you've grown tired of the said decks and wanted to branch over to another, building the next deck becomes much easier.
Dredge lacks those so called staples, and doesn't have as much of a "carry over" potential that the others just carry. If you have the LED already, maybe you can branch to something like TES, ANT, SI, or belcher. But not nearly as much as what the others could have offer.
Besides, if you're going to play dredge, play test it heavily, play it a lot, and play it as if its the only deck you have.
Always looking for more people to play in the Chicago area. Anyone interested send me a PM.
So I built Dredge, but I'm missing several important cards. I bought Vials so I decided to play Merfolk [really crappy merfolk ... I'm missing several Merfolk cards too] and took first in a 4-man round-robin tourney [3-0, woo]. No prizes. ... Hopefully more people come next Sunday, it's supposed to be free and for a box in prizes but eh.
4 Coralhelm Commander
3 Merrow Reejerey
4 Merfolk Soveriegns
4 Silvergill Adept
4 Aether Vial
4 Daze
4 Disrupting Shoal
4 Ponder
2 Brainstorm
4 Remand
19 Island
lol, this deck is so bad. But it worked I guess! I beat Boros 2-0, then Goblins 2-1, and then Enchantress 2-0.
I'm only missing the Imps and Breakthroughs from Dredge, really ... and the Therapies. And ... I guess Golgari Thug. Have the rest of the deck just waiting. ><
and eyes are full of death besides
but luckily the soul is wise -
it sees beyond my blindness and
forced failure makes a better guise,
so as i come again alive,
it feels like life's a decent plan
Not necessarily. One of my friends continuously Top 8's with LED-less Dredge. And zoo isn't too expensive if you can find something to replace 'Goyf. Plateau, Savannah and Taiga are the cheap-ish lands. Better than starting off with the Underground Seas (which were my first duals, back when they were $30 each).
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1) It cannot be damaged by [X],
3) It cannot be blocked by [X] and
4) It cannot be targeted by [X].
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