"Set chalice at 1 on the play and it's almost a guaranteed win. Half of zoo's deck is one cost and turning off, well....everything but Qasali Pridemage seems pretty good. Other than that, wasteland is also very good against them. It cuts Wild Nacati down to size and hits almost every land in their deck. This matchup is pretty nice as it is one of the few where you don't have to worry about your lock pieces getting discarded or countered. I say all of this, but it is not at all a walk in the park. If you don't have a very fast start, they will do what zoo does best and kill you on turn 3 or 4 if you don't slow them down at all. Watch out for those Pridemages and the newer favorite, Gaddock Teeg is also pretty good against us. Board in Suppression Field, Ensnaring Bridge, and depending on how heavy their burn is, Sphere of Law or Leyline of Sanctity."
Quote from StealthApplesYour list is missing Plains. I'm assuming 5 from the land count.
The big creature slot continues to be debated. I've really liked BSA so far, but I understand there are compelling reasons to go with World Queller, Wurmcoil Engine, etc. With the prevalence of blue control decks and efficient creature removal right now, I'd also consider Elspeth, Knight Errant, which is a fantastic finisher, and synergizes very well with smokestack and potentially Humility. Right now I'm running a 3/2/2 split of Magus, BSA, Elspeth, and it's working out decently.
This can be a semi-reasonably-priced deck or potentially the most expensive deck in the format, including Ravages, Tabernacle, and potentially Moat. Are the excessively expensive pieces worth the extra cost, and if so which are the most important ones to acquire/run? Ravages seems particularly questionable, as Iv'e found myself taking out 'geddon effects often, and rarely want to play them unless I have both crucible and prison, or magus and a mox diamond already in play. I've almost never wished for more than 3/4. Also, how effective is the singleton Tabernacle if we have no way to fetch it?
Since you're splashing green for Choke, have you considered Beast Within ? I tried it out this week and was very successful with it, except in one situation where I lacked the colored mana for it. It's an extra out to problem attackers, Jace, opposing crucibles, and occasionally can even hit a pernicious deed that hasn't gone off, or an opponent's pesky land while under a tabernacle/prison effect. Most often though, I used it on my own extra lands, particularly Flagstones, to make a surprise blocker or extra creature to swing for the win.
Finally, why isn't this part of the comprehensive and popular White Stax thread, it seems odd to start a new thread from scratch for an already established deck that has an existing thread.
Quote from Centucky Fried FaerieSo I don't own any City of Traitors, but I would really like to give this deck a try. How would you think will Crystal Vein do in this deck as a substitute? I know it's not as good as City of Traitors, but sometimes it has it's advantages (like not being sacrificed automatically so I can keep using it for 1 mana in the mid- to lategame).
One thing to say: I'm not expecting to see any decks that run high on counters in two weeks. One merfolk deck, everything else people run around here is pretty much focused on its own game.
What I expect:
• Aluren (if I get to drop a Trinisphere, I should have almost won, right?)
...and some other stuff, but those mentioned above are the most important ones. What are your suggestions: Could Armageddon Stax compete in this meta?
Quote from ibramanI have played this deck in the past. I agree that it is inconsistent. But its quite fun to play it once in a while at a tournament.
But i believe the meta now wont allow stax to have a chance at winning much.
but i can be wrong.
Quote from NorwayBMI run Angel Stax after a list I found on starcitygames a few years ago and it is horribly outdated, im in the process of simply copying that list with Choke in it. One question though, I own 2 Moats, and with it´s 2ww casting cost, can it safely replace two Ghostly Prisons? Has anyone tested?
Quote from Centucky Fried FaerieOk, forget my last statement, I just bought my playset City of Traitors yesterday and can't wait to give this deck a go next week.
I like the idea of splashing red for Ajani Vengeant. He isn't actually a win condition but can screw your opponent really hard and fits the mana / tempo denial plan we're running pretty well.
What about Lodestone Golem? Why isn't he run in this deck usually? Chalice @ 1 followed by a Golem should be pretty crucial for our opponents.
Also, what's the appropiate number to set up smokestack? I would say the number of permanents you can recur every turn and maybe + 1. So if we only have Crucible, we'll just play Stack @ 1 or 2. If we have Crucible and Elspeth we can set it for 2 or 3. I don't know if this is a bit too risky, since I've never played this deck yet.