Rift isn't vulnerable to graveyard hate or wasteland, draws you cards, stacks in multiples, and many of the cyclers offer alternate effects when they're cycled.
Granted, Rift does still die to Enchantment removal, but in most instances, there are bigger threats that we'll have out there.
Rift isn't vulnerable to graveyard hate or wasteland, draws you cards, stacks in multiples, and many of the cyclers offer alternate effects when they're cycled.
Granted, Rift does still die to Enchantment removal, but in most instances, there are bigger threats that we'll have out there.
You could also run Grove combo in addition to Rift. I do not know how much that would disrupt the deck's plays but if your meta is 100% aggro, I'd imagine this is an incredibly strong strategy. I think its good against Fish too since it means they have resolve and protect Coralhelm to prevent from being wiped.
The list is kinda tight though but if you weren't playing the toolbox, you could consider it. The toolbox is a little pricey (for people who are getting into Legacy) and I'm not sure its always necessary.
I'd appreciate some matchups. As I posted before, I'm building it for an aggro heavy/loam heavy meta. And thanks for the Source link to the deck. Somehow in the hours I spent there, I didnt see it.
I just got to test a couple more matchups slightly more intensively (5 games each, pre-board).
Dragon Stompy - Favorable. Chalice of the Void set at one can hurt a bit, but you are able to run multiple ways of answering it in the main (I run Engineered Explosives, Aura of Silence and Oblivion Ring, for example), and can use ETutor in response to grab the appropriate hate card. Other hate pieces that they run are less devastating for us than for most other decks. Under normal circumstances, Humility shuts them down hard, but with the addition of Koth, of the Hammer, it's less of an absolute game winner.
Thoughts for post-board:
Be prepared to use old sideboard cards in unusual ways - think: naming "Mountain" with Runed Halo, or possibly even Pithing Needle to deal with Koth and his emblem.
LED Dredge - Quite Unfavorable. We're just a little too slow, and have no real means of disrupting them; this is one combo matchup that hurts. Orim's Chant can mess with some things, but ultimately, it's just a stall tactic. Engineered Explosives can be your answer to their tokens, but in the end, we don't have a fast enough clock and our disruption doesn't really effect them.
Thoughts for post-board:
I'm tired, it's 4:30 AM and I've got a paper due in 5 hours, which I haven't started yet. I'll get around to this when I get to it
LED Dredge - Quite Unfavorable. We're just a little too slow, and have no real means of disrupting them; this is one combo matchup that hurts. Orim's Chant can mess with some things, but ultimately, it's just a stall tactic. Engineered Explosives can be your answer to their tokens, but in the end, we don't have a fast enough clock and our disruption doesn't really effect them.
You should test against LEDless Dredge. Most people aren't playing LED anymore because it is too inconsistent and much more vulnerable to hate.
You should test against LEDless Dredge. Most people aren't playing LED anymore because it is too inconsistent and much more vulnerable to hate.
I should, but the resources I have available to me say that it's less likely. I don't test on MWS because quite frankly, it's a miserable system. Nobody in my area plays dredge, and while I could proxy it up, doing so for the sake of testing one matchup seems like a poor use of my time.
I'll be trying to get more testing in on Monday. Look for an update sometime that evening.
or its similar to that. sideboard is something i still need to work on, as well as getting humilities at a decent price. :/ it seems the second i get paid, they jumped from 5-7$ each on ebay to 8-10 each...
Matchup analysis of the day: Sneak/Show.
Tested: 3 games, pre-board.
Thoughts: Early attacking Emrakul hurts. Show and Tell makes it less terrifying (if only for our Humility), but without that, it's rough. Chant/Silence can potentially get in the way (response to Seething Song, or beginning of their turn, or even Chanting to prevent an attack), but shouldn't be completely relied upon as a full answer.
Overall: Unfavorable. Lost 1-2, though more testing is needed both pre and post-board.
or its similar to that. sideboard is something i still need to work on, as well as getting humilities at a decent price. :/ it seems the second i get paid, they jumped from 5-7$ each on ebay to 8-10 each...
So... what are you looking for? I mean, I'm not sure how you'd like me to respond to the list, so I'll wing it:
Running Enlightened Tutor main without anything to really abuse it with seems wasteful. I'm sure your sideboard has more relevant things, but as it sits, Blood Moon and Humility are dead in multiples, and other than that, you've got Rift (which is fine in multiples) and a lone ORing. Tutor opens up more options in the main deck; use it!
Why are you running Path to Exile in the same deck as Blood Moon? I see very little logic here.
Any particular reason you're running Silence over Orim's Chant or Abeyance? Is it monetary reasons , or is there something that I'm missing?
4 Slice and Dice... Does that feel high to you? Most builds I've seen don't run 4 anymore, they've dropped down to 2-3. The reason here is that Slice and Dice excels when there's a Humility down. Sometimes you need a board sweeper faster than that, and sometimes you just won't have the Humility at all. If you're looking for that board sweeper, I'd suggest looking at including Firespout.
Matchup analysis of the day: Sneak/Show.
Tested: 3 games, pre-board.
Thoughts: Early attacking Emrakul hurts. Show and Tell makes it less terrifying (if only for our Humility), but without that, it's rough. Chant/Silence can potentially get in the way (response to Seething Song, or beginning of their turn, or even Chanting to prevent an attack), but shouldn't be completely relied upon as a full answer.
Overall: Unfavorable. Lost 1-2, though more testing is needed both pre and post-board.
So... what are you looking for? I mean, I'm not sure how you'd like me to respond to the list, so I'll wing it:
Running Enlightened Tutor main without anything to really abuse it with seems wasteful. I'm sure your sideboard has more relevant things, but as it sits, Blood Moon and Humility are dead in multiples, and other than that, you've got Rift (which is fine in multiples) and a lone ORing. Tutor opens up more options in the main deck; use it!
Why are you running Path to Exile in the same deck as Blood Moon? I see very little logic here.
Any particular reason you're running Silence over Orim's Chant or Abeyance? Is it monetary reasons , or is there something that I'm missing?
4 Slice and Dice... Does that feel high to you? Most builds I've seen don't run 4 anymore, they've dropped down to 2-3. The reason here is that Slice and Dice excels when there's a Humility down. Sometimes you need a board sweeper faster than that, and sometimes you just won't have the Humility at all. If you're looking for that board sweeper, I'd suggest looking at including Firespout.
"my list with what i have". I'm working on alot of it
and yes, monetary reasons. i only own one OC.
And I didnt know Blood Moon affected Path like that...
And I didnt know Blood Moon affected Path like that...
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "like that"... The issue with running Blood Moon with Path is pretty simple: Blood Moon messes with their manabase; any nonbasics are limited to only producing red. Path to Exile offers them a way of effectively tutoring necessary colours, making it's inclusion alongside Blood Moon counter-intuitive.
why no astral slide? it protects you from so much annoying crap your opponents can do, equipment *slide*, attackers *slide*, your own awesome card like kitchen finks after a block and coming back *slide* (this will cause your opponent to go nuts like no tomorrow), wrath *slide*, deed *slide*
a huge card to watch out for when playing rifter is that you pretty much roll over to suppression field, it is a must kill card or it stops us in our tracks. how often do you see this card? not often but from monowhite stax its in there, suppression.dec, some white weenie decks have it, but its jsut one of those cards that can wreck your entire day.
runed halo is pretty awesome tech btw.
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Astral Slide is very slow and even more situational than many other enchantments that are already played. As it is, Moat is extremely powerful and generally stops aggro, which is the normal answer to Aggro is as.
why no astral slide? it protects you from so much annoying crap your opponents can do, equipment *slide*, attackers *slide*, your own awesome card like kitchen finks after a block and coming back *slide* (this will cause your opponent to go nuts like no tomorrow), wrath *slide*, deed *slide*
a huge card to watch out for when playing rifter is that you pretty much roll over to suppression field, it is a must kill card or it stops us in our tracks. how often do you see this card? not often but from monowhite stax its in there, suppression.dec, some white weenie decks have it, but its jsut one of those cards that can wreck your entire day.
Is Jotun Grunt a good SB/MB? Or are other enchantments better? 4/4 for 2 seems great with that, and I can grab my own cycling cards back, etc.
I personally don't like it, mostly for the fact that it's a creature. I like being able to fully abuse Humility with very few, if any, drawbacks. I'd consider looking at Wheel of Sun and Moon as an alternative, both as a way to recycle your own spells and as a faster answer for grave-removal.
I saw the list and promptly went and picked up Serenity. It seems pretty solid, depending on your metagame. As long as you don't kill yourself with it, it shouldn't be a problem.
why no astral slide? it protects you from so much annoying crap your opponents can do, equipment *slide*, attackers *slide*, your own awesome card like kitchen finks after a block and coming back *slide* (this will cause your opponent to go nuts like no tomorrow), wrath *slide*, deed *slide*
How many creatures do we run? Please, look through the posts before suggesting cards that have already been discussed.
a huge card to watch out for when playing rifter is that you pretty much roll over to suppression field, it is a must kill card or it stops us in our tracks. how often do you see this card? not often but from monowhite stax its in there, suppression.dec, some white weenie decks have it, but its jsut one of those cards that can wreck your entire day.
Suppression Field would be terrifying if we weren't running ETutor... It's good, but there's always a way around it.
@poppeleseed how does running etutor make running suppression field worse? I could see running fetch lands as making it worse. I could see it being a bad card if its ability effects cycling but I don't know that it does. Was just wondering otherwise great deck, and love playing a variant of it myself
@poppeleseed how does running etutor make running suppression field worse? I could see running fetch lands as making it worse. I could see it being a bad card if its ability effects cycling but I don't know that it does. Was just wondering otherwise great deck, and love playing a variant of it myself
The issue with Suppression Field is that it taxes cycling. Enlightened Tutor allows us to run main-deck answers to these types of threats, like Oblivion Ring, Engineered Explosives, etc.
The issue with Suppression Field is that it taxes cycling. Enlightened Tutor allows us to run main-deck answers to these types of threats, like Oblivion Ring, Engineered Explosives, etc.
I personally don't like it, mostly for the fact that it's a creature. I like being able to fully abuse Humility with very few, if any, drawbacks. I'd consider looking at Wheel of Sun and Moon as an alternative, both as a way to recycle your own spells and as a faster answer for grave-removal.
I saw the list and promptly went and picked up Serenity. It seems pretty solid, depending on your metagame. As long as you don't kill yourself with it, it shouldn't be a problem.
Yea I have two Wheels from my enchantress I considered. I just at first, though of the grunt since as long as he sticks for a turn, he can help you out, and hurt the opponent's gy. But you would need two wheels, but yet grunt dies to more common forms of removal except bolt and spout, which the latter we run
but yet you can fetch wheel with E tutor. They both literally are good. I'm thinking to run two wheels SB. Might try grunt too.
Yeah i saw Serenity and wondered why it wasnt more expensive. Yeah, I have to wait a turn to blow the field, but its a two mana artifact/enchantment board wipe. Against affinity it should be a bye. Wait for them to overextend and play it.
hey poppeleseed i got some decklists for ya. [quote]
First, I'd like to thank you for going out of your way to hunt these down. I'll add the appropriate lists to the OP, and briefly discuss each list here.
Here's a standard toolbox build. I personally like some of the sideboard choices he's made, although the list itself is from 2008, so some updates could be made.
Some interesting things to notice:
Kjeldoran Outpost, - Seems kinda cute with Humility. I actually like the idea of a land that pumps out critters, but I'm turned off by the ability to get two-for-oned for that chance, especially in a format littered with Wasteland. Goblin Assault - Another cute way to abuse Humility. I feel like Elspeth, Knight-Errant is a bit stronger, but that's based on my speculation; no actual testing on my part. I do, however, like that it can be tutored for.
Other notable tutor targets MD: Damping Matrix, Rule of Law and Story Circle.
These three decks are actually Rift-Slide. They focus more on using creatures that can be abused with Astral Slide than forming a hard-lock with Humility. I feel like the decks differ enough to warrant a separate thread for Slide-builds.
This last one appears to be a Legacy adaptation of CAL (Confinement-Assault-Loam). It was basically a control deck that aimed to lock out the opponent using the Solitary Confinement/Life from the Loam synergy with Seismic Assault as a finisher. As much as I love it, it also doesn't exactly fit here; think of it as a mash-up of Aggro Loam and Enchantress.
Yeah, i definitely get what you're saying poppele. Those changes do change the deck a lot, or even make it a different deck. I just thought those decks could be used as like a reference for similar things people have done.
What do you think about splashing for life from the loam and maybe a few creatures? It gives you the chance to use your wastelands again like you can do with crucible of worlds in your list but then you can also cycle your lands again for more damage and card drawing.
Splashing for green also gives you dueling grounds. It seems like that card would slow down tons of decks. Humility already does that though lol so it's probably not needed. Life from the loam alone might be worth it though. I'm not sure; I still haven't had a chance to actually play the deck so I'm just speculating.
If you want to try the dueling grounds effect, you could try silent arbiter. doesn't require the green splash, at least, and blocks himself. this said, Loam is a good engine and probably should have been in here from the beginning, but that takes more towards the slide side of things. It is at least quite abuseable.
If you want to try the dueling grounds effect, you could try silent arbiter. doesn't require the green splash, at least, and blocks himself. this said, Loam is a good engine and probably should have been in here from the beginning, but that takes more towards the slide side of things. It is at least quite abuseable.
im afraid of dumping 4 mana into that only to get it path'd. in this deck, humility and ajani/elspeth sit at 4CMC, along with a Rift'd Decree.
Heck, in all actuality, i love the GWr Slide/Rift with Solitary, since Solitary seems like an easier lock and the deck seems a little faster.
Heck, in all actuality, i love the GWr Slide/Rift with Solitary, since Solitary seems like an easier lock and the deck seems a little faster.
The issue with the Loam/Confinement lock is that it's pretty susceptible to graveyard hate, which, because of Dredge and, to a lesser extent, Survival, is becoming much more prevalent, and was previously basically an auto-include in most boards.
The issue with the Loam/Confinement lock is that it's pretty susceptible to graveyard hate, which, because of Dredge and, to a lesser extent, Survival, is becoming much more prevalent, and was previously basically an auto-include in most boards.
i cant afford moat for even my enchantress
it is, but less will be packed, since survival is probably getting the stick.
Rift isn't vulnerable to graveyard hate or wasteland, draws you cards, stacks in multiples, and many of the cyclers offer alternate effects when they're cycled.
Granted, Rift does still die to Enchantment removal, but in most instances, there are bigger threats that we'll have out there.
Have any questions or concerns? Come take a dip in my pool.
You could also run Grove combo in addition to Rift. I do not know how much that would disrupt the deck's plays but if your meta is 100% aggro, I'd imagine this is an incredibly strong strategy. I think its good against Fish too since it means they have resolve and protect Coralhelm to prevent from being wiped.
The list is kinda tight though but if you weren't playing the toolbox, you could consider it. The toolbox is a little pricey (for people who are getting into Legacy) and I'm not sure its always necessary.
I just got to test a couple more matchups slightly more intensively (5 games each, pre-board).
Dragon Stompy - Favorable. Chalice of the Void set at one can hurt a bit, but you are able to run multiple ways of answering it in the main (I run Engineered Explosives, Aura of Silence and Oblivion Ring, for example), and can use ETutor in response to grab the appropriate hate card. Other hate pieces that they run are less devastating for us than for most other decks. Under normal circumstances, Humility shuts them down hard, but with the addition of Koth, of the Hammer, it's less of an absolute game winner.
Thoughts for post-board:
Be prepared to use old sideboard cards in unusual ways - think: naming "Mountain" with Runed Halo, or possibly even Pithing Needle to deal with Koth and his emblem.
Rune of Protection: Red and Story Circle are both decent.
Be prepared to see Pithing Needle, and possibly Anarchy.
LED Dredge - Quite Unfavorable. We're just a little too slow, and have no real means of disrupting them; this is one combo matchup that hurts. Orim's Chant can mess with some things, but ultimately, it's just a stall tactic. Engineered Explosives can be your answer to their tokens, but in the end, we don't have a fast enough clock and our disruption doesn't really effect them.
Thoughts for post-board:
Have any questions or concerns? Come take a dip in my pool.
You should test against LEDless Dredge. Most people aren't playing LED anymore because it is too inconsistent and much more vulnerable to hate.
I should, but the resources I have available to me say that it's less likely. I don't test on MWS because quite frankly, it's a miserable system. Nobody in my area plays dredge, and while I could proxy it up, doing so for the sake of testing one matchup seems like a poor use of my time.
I'll be trying to get more testing in on Monday. Look for an update sometime that evening.
Have any questions or concerns? Come take a dip in my pool.
2 Blood Moon
3 Humility
4 Lightning Rift
1 Oblivion Ring
3 Enlightened Tutor
4 Silence
4 Renewed Faith
2 Swords to Plowshares
2 Path to Exile
2 Ajani Vengeant
2 Decree of Justice
4 Slice and Dice
4 Forgotten Cave
7 Mountain
8 Plains
4 Secluded Steppe
or its similar to that. sideboard is something i still need to work on, as well as getting humilities at a decent price. :/ it seems the second i get paid, they jumped from 5-7$ each on ebay to 8-10 each...
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
Tested: 3 games, pre-board.
Thoughts: Early attacking Emrakul hurts. Show and Tell makes it less terrifying (if only for our Humility), but without that, it's rough. Chant/Silence can potentially get in the way (response to Seething Song, or beginning of their turn, or even Chanting to prevent an attack), but shouldn't be completely relied upon as a full answer.
Overall: Unfavorable. Lost 1-2, though more testing is needed both pre and post-board.
So... what are you looking for? I mean, I'm not sure how you'd like me to respond to the list, so I'll wing it:
Have any questions or concerns? Come take a dip in my pool.
"my list with what i have". I'm working on alot of it
and yes, monetary reasons. i only own one OC.
And I didnt know Blood Moon affected Path like that...
I'll look back through your posts some more.
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "like that"... The issue with running Blood Moon with Path is pretty simple: Blood Moon messes with their manabase; any nonbasics are limited to only producing red. Path to Exile offers them a way of effectively tutoring necessary colours, making it's inclusion alongside Blood Moon counter-intuitive.
Have any questions or concerns? Come take a dip in my pool.
Is Jotun Grunt a good SB/MB? Or are other enchantments better? 4/4 for 2 seems great with that, and I can grab my own cycling cards back, etc.
What about Serenity ? A guy on the source http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?3141-
[DECK]4 steppe
4 forgotten cave
3 arid mesa
1 ancient den
7 plains
6 mountains
3 eternal dragon
2 ajani vengeant
3 lightning rift
2 decree of justice
3 humility
4 stp
2 fire spout
2 slice and dice
2 akroma's vengeance
4 renewed faith
2 enlightened tutor
3 abeyance
1 blood moon
1 ruined halo
1 oblivion ring
1 rune of protection red
1 enlightened tutor
1 tormod's crypt
2 boil
2 ruination
1 sacred ground
1 ruined halo
3 dead//gone
1 ethersworn canonist
1 relic of proteginus
1 aura of silence
1 serenity
Also, do you have any info on keepable hands vs. mulligans?
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
a huge card to watch out for when playing rifter is that you pretty much roll over to suppression field, it is a must kill card or it stops us in our tracks. how often do you see this card? not often but from monowhite stax its in there, suppression.dec, some white weenie decks have it, but its jsut one of those cards that can wreck your entire day.
runed halo is pretty awesome tech btw.
legacy: Doomsday, Dredge, BUG (shard less and still)
modern: storm, woo dredge, U-tron
EDH: maelstrom wanderer, Gisela, krenko, lazav, sharrum, sheoldred/xiahou dun, norin the wary, Thrax, Mimeoplasm, GW legends
read the primer and thesource topic.
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
Great to hear!
I personally don't like it, mostly for the fact that it's a creature. I like being able to fully abuse Humility with very few, if any, drawbacks. I'd consider looking at Wheel of Sun and Moon as an alternative, both as a way to recycle your own spells and as a faster answer for grave-removal.
I saw the list and promptly went and picked up Serenity. It seems pretty solid, depending on your metagame. As long as you don't kill yourself with it, it shouldn't be a problem.
We're not exactly a combo deck. I usually play it by ear, but I can try to get some sample hands etc. up tonight.
How many creatures do we run? Please, look through the posts before suggesting cards that have already been discussed.
Suppression Field would be terrifying if we weren't running ETutor... It's good, but there's always a way around it.
I've opted to run one in the main now. It's wonderful.
Have any questions or concerns? Come take a dip in my pool.
The issue with Suppression Field is that it taxes cycling. Enlightened Tutor allows us to run main-deck answers to these types of threats, like Oblivion Ring, Engineered Explosives, etc.
Have any questions or concerns? Come take a dip in my pool.
gotcha ty for quick response
Yea I have two Wheels from my enchantress I considered. I just at first, though of the grunt since as long as he sticks for a turn, he can help you out, and hurt the opponent's gy. But you would need two wheels, but yet grunt dies to more common forms of removal except bolt and spout, which the latter we run
but yet you can fetch wheel with E tutor. They both literally are good. I'm thinking to run two wheels SB. Might try grunt too.
Yeah i saw Serenity and wondered why it wasnt more expensive. Yeah, I have to wait a turn to blow the field, but its a two mana artifact/enchantment board wipe. Against affinity it should be a bye. Wait for them to overextend and play it.
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
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The last one isn't rifter but its kind of a similar list but it uses seismic assault instead of lightning rift.
I like the deck tho and I'm going to put it together soon and start trying it out. I'm not sure which version I'll start with; probably a loam one though. Life from the loam seems mad good with wasteland and cycle lands and adding green gives you eternal witness, sterling grove, tarmogoyf, krosan grip, etc.
3 Eternal Dragon
Sorcery - 7
2 Akroma's Vengeance
3 Decree of Justice
1 Pyroclasm
1 Slice and Dice
Instant - 12
3 Enlightened Tutor
4 Renewed Faith
1 Starstorm
4 Swords to Plowshares
Artifact - 2
1 Damping Matrix
1 Pithing Needle
Enchantment -12
1 Aura of Silence
1 Goblin Assault
4 Humility
3 Lightning Rift
1 Moat
1 Rule of Law
1 Story Circle
1 Battlefield Forge
4 Forgotten Cave
1 Kjeldoran Outpost
4 Mountain
8 Plains
3 Plateau
4 Secluded Steppe
1 Akroma's Vengeance
3 Damping Matrix
1 Ivory Mask
2 Pyroblast
1 Pyroclasm
2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Reiterate
2 Rule of Law
1 Sacred Ground
1 Seal of Cleansing
Here's a standard toolbox build. I personally like some of the sideboard choices he's made, although the list itself is from 2008, so some updates could be made.
Some interesting things to notice:
Kjeldoran Outpost, - Seems kinda cute with Humility. I actually like the idea of a land that pumps out critters, but I'm turned off by the ability to get two-for-oned for that chance, especially in a format littered with Wasteland.
Goblin Assault - Another cute way to abuse Humility. I feel like Elspeth, Knight-Errant is a bit stronger, but that's based on my speculation; no actual testing on my part. I do, however, like that it can be tutored for.
Other notable tutor targets MD: Damping Matrix, Rule of Law and Story Circle.
These three decks are actually Rift-Slide. They focus more on using creatures that can be abused with Astral Slide than forming a hard-lock with Humility. I feel like the decks differ enough to warrant a separate thread for Slide-builds.
This last one appears to be a Legacy adaptation of CAL (Confinement-Assault-Loam). It was basically a control deck that aimed to lock out the opponent using the Solitary Confinement/Life from the Loam synergy with Seismic Assault as a finisher. As much as I love it, it also doesn't exactly fit here; think of it as a mash-up of Aggro Loam and Enchantress.
Have any questions or concerns? Come take a dip in my pool.
What do you think about splashing for life from the loam and maybe a few creatures? It gives you the chance to use your wastelands again like you can do with crucible of worlds in your list but then you can also cycle your lands again for more damage and card drawing.
Splashing for green also gives you dueling grounds. It seems like that card would slow down tons of decks. Humility already does that though lol so it's probably not needed. Life from the loam alone might be worth it though. I'm not sure; I still haven't had a chance to actually play the deck so I'm just speculating.
Credit to DolZero for this awesome sig!
im afraid of dumping 4 mana into that only to get it path'd. in this deck, humility and ajani/elspeth sit at 4CMC, along with a Rift'd Decree.
Heck, in all actuality, i love the GWr Slide/Rift with Solitary, since Solitary seems like an easier lock and the deck seems a little faster.
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
Don't forget Moat!
The issue with the Loam/Confinement lock is that it's pretty susceptible to graveyard hate, which, because of Dredge and, to a lesser extent, Survival, is becoming much more prevalent, and was previously basically an auto-include in most boards.
Have any questions or concerns? Come take a dip in my pool.
i cant afford moat for even my enchantress
it is, but less will be packed, since survival is probably getting the stick.
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown