I've been playtesting this deck for a bit, and it has been pretty successful. It just overwhelms a lot of decks, especially those that rely on big creatures. But something is off with the deck, and I was hoping for some help.
Also, Bob or Tombstalker? Or regulate one to the sideboard?
Bob over Tombstalker. You've already got enough guys with evasion that having one big guy is mostly irrelevant, and the card advantage is important since most of your guys lose in creature combat. This is also probably the only deck that I think wants Sorin LoI over Elspeth.
Stoneforge and Equipment could also be run in the Tombstalker slot. Gives you a 'finisher' in the swords which the tokens use well, and the card advantage that you currently lack.
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Wouldnt you gain more from Elspeth Tirel than sorin. Her + syncs well with bitter blossom. And she generates more than 1 token which is what we are looking to do.
Then again, indestructible tokens,and +3+3 really adds a much needed clock. Also 5 drops tend to be bad in legacy.
Yeah, I'd imagine hitting 5 mana is pretty hard in Legacy. You'd likely need ramp (Ad Nauseam, Dream Halls, Nic Fit's stuff) or extreme patience to get that high.
Looks pretty cool, though I think more Liliana over Elspeth is the way to go. Is Midnight Haunting really worse than Gather the Townsfolk? One more mana sure, but fliers and instant speed sounds lovely.
Umezawa's jitte!!! I would run it with stoneforge mystic or at least run 3. This deck and most other token decks are just begging for jitte.
Should I even bother with Stoneforge? It's a dead draw if I only run one Jitte. I might as well run 3 Jittes and hope bob grabs one. And should I just get rid of the planeswalkers or Gather the Townsfolk
And what how do you guys feel about Timely Reinforcement? Apparently it's the next best token spell after Lingering Souls
If you check out the BW Stoneblade thread, it's a similar concept except you run a Stoneforge package and Dark Confidant. I think your build may actually be overloaded on tokens, and Intangible Virtue seems excessive. I'd trim the Tombstalkers and Gather the Townsfolks for Stoneforges and equips. You definitely want to max out on Cabal Therapy and probably run Thoughseize backup.
E, K-E is a good SB card vs. decks like Maverick that are inherently weak to flyers, but you probably don't need it MD. Liliana can really take over a game if you can protect her, so I'd run 2 or possibly even 3 MD.
As for your sideboard, I would probably run 3-4 Mindbreak Trap and then an Enlightened Tutor package.
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If you check out the BW Stoneblade thread, it's a similar concept except you run a Stoneforge package and Dark Confidant. I think your build may actually be overloaded on tokens, and Intangible Virtue seems excessive. I'd trim the Tombstalkers and Gather the Townsfolks for Stoneforges and equips. You definitely want to max out on Cabal Therapy and probably run Thoughseize backup.
E, K-E is a good SB card vs. decks like Maverick that are inherently weak to flyers, but you probably don't need it MD. Liliana can really take over a game if you can protect her, so I'd run 2 or possibly even 3 MD.
As for your sideboard, I would probably run 3-4 Mindbreak Trap and then an Enlightened Tutor package.
Well I tried out some Stoneblade package, but it's too slow for me. I'm finding just digging out Jitte with confidant is much better.
Yea I'm also agreeing with you that Liliana > Elspeth for this deck. tons of tokens for protection, huge disruption and the other side can't land anything.
The problem right now for me is Terminus. Don't think I can beat it without a surgical extraction or something.
Also, Bob or Tombstalker? Or regulate one to the sideboard?
4 Lingering Souls
4 Raise the Alarm
4 Gather the Townsfolk
3 Cabal Therapy
1 Inquisition of Koziek
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Vindicate
3 Zealous Persecution
4 Intangible Virtue
4 Bitterblossom
Creature
3 Tombstalker
Planeswalker
2 Elspeth, Knight Errant
1 Liliana of the Veil
Land
2 Plains
2 Swamp
4 Marsh Flats
4 Scrubland
1 Arid Mesa
3 Bloodstain Mire
4 Wasteland
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Stoneforge and Equipment could also be run in the Tombstalker slot. Gives you a 'finisher' in the swords which the tokens use well, and the card advantage that you currently lack.
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Then again, indestructible tokens,and +3+3 really adds a much needed clock. Also 5 drops tend to be bad in legacy.
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I'd guess the 4 discard spells are what's doing you in. Try pulling stuff for Thoughtseize, more Cabal Therapy/Inquisition of Kozilek, Hymn to Tourach, or Tidehollow Sculler. I play no fewer than 7 targeted discard spells in my Modern BW Tokens deck, and Legacy is even more cutthroat.
Bob gets the CA so fast that you start spewing tokens left and right. Liliana is pretty cool in keeping them down.
I'm also thinking of switching out Elspeth for Mirror Entity.
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Should I even bother with Stoneforge? It's a dead draw if I only run one Jitte. I might as well run 3 Jittes and hope bob grabs one. And should I just get rid of the planeswalkers or Gather the Townsfolk
And what how do you guys feel about Timely Reinforcement? Apparently it's the next best token spell after Lingering Souls
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E, K-E is a good SB card vs. decks like Maverick that are inherently weak to flyers, but you probably don't need it MD. Liliana can really take over a game if you can protect her, so I'd run 2 or possibly even 3 MD.
As for your sideboard, I would probably run 3-4 Mindbreak Trap and then an Enlightened Tutor package.
Well I tried out some Stoneblade package, but it's too slow for me. I'm finding just digging out Jitte with confidant is much better.
Yea I'm also agreeing with you that Liliana > Elspeth for this deck. tons of tokens for protection, huge disruption and the other side can't land anything.
The problem right now for me is Terminus. Don't think I can beat it without a surgical extraction or something.
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Thats pretty cool, a token deck topped
2 Stoneforge Mystic
Instants [9]
1 Enlightened Tutor
4 Raise the Alarm
4 Swords to Plowshares
Sorceries [14]
1 Cabal Therapy
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Spectral Procession
3 Vindicate
4 Lingering Souls
2 Humility
4 Bitterblossom
4 Intangible Virtue
Artifacts [3]
1 Batterskull
2 Umezawa's Jitte
Lands [22]
1 Verdant Catacombs
2 Karakas
2 Swamp
3 Arid Mesa
3 Plains
3 Wasteland
4 Marsh Flats
4 Scrubland
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