If I have 2 mountains open tap 1 to drop Emrakul or Griselbrand attack and my opponent uses Karakas to return the creature to my hand can I just tap the other mountain and drop the creature again and attack Or would I already be past the declare attackers step?
With Emrakul, they are forced to bounce him before you declare him as an attacker unless they want to sac 6 permanents from the anhilator trigger. in that case you are able to replay him and attack.
With Griselbrand, they will bounce him after attackers, in that case you wont be able to replay and attack with him.
If I have 2 mountains open tap 1 to drop Emrakul or Griselbrand attack and my opponent uses Karakas to return the creature to my hand can I just tap the other mountain and drop the creature again and attack Or would I already be past the declare attackers step?
As far as I know, if you have declared attackers, you cannot attack again. But you can still Sneak´em out again.
EDIT: Jin-Gitaxias is out in the cold now that Griselbrand is released right? Or is he still viable in comparison?
With Emrakul, they are forced to bounce him before you declare him as an attacker unless they want to sac 6 permanents from the anhilator trigger. in that case you are able to replay him and attack.
With Griselbrand, they will bounce him after attackers, in that case you wont be able to replay and attack with him.
Jin was never played in Sneak Show did you mean to post that in Reanimator?
Jin-Gitaxias has its upsides. Can be pitched to Force of Will and makes your opponent discard their entire hand. That doesn't really matter for Sneak Attack though since it dies before the opponents end step so its mainly for reanimator decks. I would imagine they still run some number of Jin Gitaxias since he is still a beast.
For Sneak Attack, Griselbrand would be ideal since it is a Flying 7/7 with Lifelink and can draw cards on mainphase and possibly sneak in an Emrakul at the same time.
Whats a good gameplan vs the mirror? Through the Breach def could be helpful side out a couple of show and tell. Show and tell into sneak attack with 4 mana is def awesome so you can attack first.
What up with Misdirection in all the latest builds. Is it just used as a 5, 6, and 7th free counter?
It helps win counter-wars but it is also awesome when someone tries to Swords to Plowshares Griselbrand, or when you get Hymn to Tourach on you, or when someone thoughseizes you, or when a warren wierding gets turned on you, or a diabolic edict targeting you, or ...... well you get the point. 3 Misdirection is great in Sneak and Show decks that do not run the 3 Daze. -3 Daze +3 Misdirection.
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You are also extremely likely to draw a misdirection or force if you draw 7 with griselbrand, allowing you to protect him forever much better. You don't actually draw 7 and combo. again with griselbrand. If you Show and Tell him, all you have to do is let him sit there and attack for 7 lifelink every turn and only react to removal spells targeting him.
The debate over which fatty to put into play really depends on quite a few things:
What is your opponent playing, what kind of removal are they packing, do they have counter spells, etc?
What is your life total, Can you afford to pay to draw cards, do you need to gain life not to lose?
Is it possible your opponent is holding either of these legends in their hands?
What turn is it 2-3-4-10?
Far too many scenarios for there to be a clear cut answer.
Theres only about 3 things I would consider if I were to drop either Emrakul or Griselbrand.
1. Does the opponent have outs to Emrakul
I would prefer not to drop Emrakul against decks playing Jace.
2. How much life do you have.
Obviously if don't have life to draw 7 cards, Griselbrand would be a pretty weak choice.
3. What kind of deck are they playing.
You can be at 20 life and they can have no outs to Emrakul, but none of this matters against combo decks. Griselbrand is the creature of choice to beat Storm and opposing Show and Tell decks.
Before, I had two of these cards in the board called Kederekt Leviathan, makes Show and Tells one sided and awesome.
Now with Griselbrand in the mix, I don't even know.
It's still REALLY good with Sneak Attack. Put 3 sneak attack triggers on the stack, with the first one play that guy and upheaval everything. For the second 2 drop other creatures.
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It seems pretty weak to add a color just to cascade into (at best) a cantrip. Seems God awful if you hit spell pierce or daze
Oh come on, you can't be serious give me some credit:rolleyes:
I'm talking about a build that runs different counter magic and no cantrips.
You could even use Violent Outburst as well. That would be like a deck running 12 Show and Tell.
Oh come on, you can't be serious give me some credit:rolleyes:
I'm talking about a build that runs different counter magic and no cantrips.
You could even use Violent Outburst as well. That would be like a deck running 12 Show and Tell.
Oh come on, you can't be serious give me some credit:rolleyes:
I'm talking about a build that runs different counter magic and no cantrips.
You could even use Violent Outburst as well. That would be like a deck running 12 Show and Tell.
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Island - Jung Park - 235
Island - Vincent Proce - 237
Swamp - John Avon - 238
Mountain - John Avon - 242
Forest - John Avon - 246
Went 3-2 in swiss.
R1 Beat Dredge 2-0
R2 loss to Belcher 0-2
R3 Beat Bant 2-1
R4 loss to Enchantress 0-2 (both games I SnT T2 and T4, he drops Emerakul both times. Nice!!!)
R5 Beat Dredge 2-0
Quarters Beat High Tide 2-0
Semi Beat U/W control 2-0
Split finals He wanted the byes and I wasnt going to go, so I took the prizes and he got the Byes.
I ran the standard list, but didnt have misdirections so I used Daze in its place. Worked out but there was one time when misdirection over daze would have been a game winner.
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With Griselbrand, they will bounce him after attackers, in that case you wont be able to replay and attack with him.
As far as I know, if you have declared attackers, you cannot attack again. But you can still Sneak´em out again.
EDIT: Jin-Gitaxias is out in the cold now that Griselbrand is released right? Or is he still viable in comparison?
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Jin was never played in Sneak Show did you mean to post that in Reanimator?
For Sneak Attack, Griselbrand would be ideal since it is a Flying 7/7 with Lifelink and can draw cards on mainphase and possibly sneak in an Emrakul at the same time.
Now with Griselbrand in the mix, I don't even know.
-In response to Show and Tell, Clique you.
-Sneak Attack/Sneak Attack activation on the stack, Clique you.
Vendilion Clique can't be Misdirected or Spell Pierced. REB/Pyroblast will become more important in the sideboard.
Blue Elemental Blast should get an honorable mention, but I'm not sure if it's worth the space.
Among other uses, yes. It lets the deck beat other decks that rely on counterspells.
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It helps win counter-wars but it is also awesome when someone tries to Swords to Plowshares Griselbrand, or when you get Hymn to Tourach on you, or when someone thoughseizes you, or when a warren wierding gets turned on you, or a diabolic edict targeting you, or ...... well you get the point. 3 Misdirection is great in Sneak and Show decks that do not run the 3 Daze. -3 Daze +3 Misdirection.
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What is your opponent playing, what kind of removal are they packing, do they have counter spells, etc?
What is your life total, Can you afford to pay to draw cards, do you need to gain life not to lose?
Is it possible your opponent is holding either of these legends in their hands?
What turn is it 2-3-4-10?
Far too many scenarios for there to be a clear cut answer.
1. Does the opponent have outs to Emrakul
I would prefer not to drop Emrakul against decks playing Jace.
2. How much life do you have.
Obviously if don't have life to draw 7 cards, Griselbrand would be a pretty weak choice.
3. What kind of deck are they playing.
You can be at 20 life and they can have no outs to Emrakul, but none of this matters against combo decks. Griselbrand is the creature of choice to beat Storm and opposing Show and Tell decks.
Seems good to me simply, because of it's low cost and being blue you can pitch it to Force of Will
It seems pretty weak to add a color just to cascade into (at best) a cantrip. Seems God awful if you hit spell pierce or daze
It's still REALLY good with Sneak Attack. Put 3 sneak attack triggers on the stack, with the first one play that guy and upheaval everything. For the second 2 drop other creatures.
Oh come on, you can't be serious give me some credit:rolleyes:
I'm talking about a build that runs different counter magic and no cantrips.
You could even use Violent Outburst as well. That would be like a deck running 12 Show and Tell.
You're looking for the Hypergenesis thread...
It seems more similar to running 12 Eurekas.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=4832736
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Island - Jung Park - 235
Island - Vincent Proce - 237
Swamp - John Avon - 238
Mountain - John Avon - 242
Forest - John Avon - 246
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I split 1st/2nd.
Went 3-2 in swiss.
R1 Beat Dredge 2-0
R2 loss to Belcher 0-2
R3 Beat Bant 2-1
R4 loss to Enchantress 0-2 (both games I SnT T2 and T4, he drops Emerakul both times. Nice!!!)
R5 Beat Dredge 2-0
Quarters Beat High Tide 2-0
Semi Beat U/W control 2-0
Split finals He wanted the byes and I wasnt going to go, so I took the prizes and he got the Byes.
I ran the standard list, but didnt have misdirections so I used Daze in its place. Worked out but there was one time when misdirection over daze would have been a game winner.