I made top 4 at the Legacy side event at GP, however there was only around 24 people. I played against dredge, No Bant, Elves, and Dredge again. I lost to Dredge before the cut, and Mono Red Burn afterword. I feel like I did fairly well over-all, however the use of Extirpate never came up.
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What would a modern budget version of high tide look like? I would think no candelabra, but what other cards would be removed, and what would they be replaced with?
Look at Inaki Puigdoller's list from Bazaar of Moxen which came in 9th out of 6++. Actually he's been playing with Candle-less builds and winning at it as well since Time Spiral got unbanned. There is a difference in playstyle without Candles but if you're worrying about not having enough untappers, 8 is perfectly good with 4 Turnabouts and 4 Spirals doing the job.
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Yeah if I were to play this deck I would go with Inaki Puigdoller's list from the Bazaar of Moxen. Candelabra just doesn't cut it when you could be playing misstep instead of candelabra pretty much the list is the Hatfield's list -4 candle's +4 misstep. The misstep's are also sweet because you buy time against aggro. They also take out targeted discard such as thoughtseize. Misstep is really good in here and what's more we almost have to play it to misstep the opponent's misstep.
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Yeah if I were to play this deck I would go with Inaki Puigdoller's list from the Bazaar of Moxen. Candelabra just doesn't cut it when you could be playing misstep instead of candelabra pretty much the list is the Hatfield's list -4 candle's +4 misstep. The misstep's are also sweet because you buy time against aggro. They also take out targeted discard such as thoughtseize. Misstep is really good in here and what's more we almost have to play it to misstep the opponent's misstep.
This just isn't the case.
I played at the gp, and had 1 opponent in 2 days misstep a high tide. I HOPED they misstepped a candelabra. You can't just pull Inaki's list and run it here in the states, the metagame there isn't the same by a longshot. I'm running 3 misstep and 3 candles.
Misstep is best for stopping turn one duress/seize/cabal. By the time you are going off, your opponents missteps are invalidated. Candelabra is still an all star.
I played at the gp, and had 1 opponent in 2 days misstep a high tide. I HOPED they misstepped a candelabra. You can't just pull Inaki's list and run it here in the states, the metagame there isn't the same by a longshot. I'm running 3 misstep and 3 candles.
Misstep is best for stopping turn one duress/seize/cabal. By the time you are going off, your opponents missteps are invalidated. Candelabra is still an all star.
I agree with you completely. Whenever I play in a large event there are always 1-2 show and tell decks I face and BSZ route is a good safety against them. Inaki's list is also far harder to pilot correctly The candelabras provides a safety net to prevent fizzles. I also have been impressed with running a single pact Main Deck as they always get boarded in against any sort of blue decks anyways (Over 1/2 the format)
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Random Opponent: Playing against 12 Post Feels like trying to win in Yugioh with no super secret rares.
I don't have a lot of experience piloting this deck, but has anyone ever considered mainboarding an emrakul? It's fairly easy to get 15 mana when you start tiding, and it's a safety net against fizzling. It does have negative synergy with meditate, but I am sure there is a way around this.
I ran it for a while, but it's not that great and meditate ruins it. Remember a LOT of the format is dealing with sneak attack/show and tell type decks, so splash damage of karakas/emrakul hate will hit you too.
Yeah, I very rarely go off without using meditate, and losing that card entirely for Emrakul isnt worth it IMO. If you want to play Emrakul go play 12 Post or Show and Tell.
Also, big pacific, I didnt see you at the Kansas City GP, what event were you in and what kind of matches did you play?
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"It's like some kind of Voltron... made of elephants??"
As far as affinity and burn and other fast decks, this deck is just faster...Ideally, anyways. There is counter-magic for the early plays, and the deck can go off turn 3. I feel the only decks that could truly "outpace" this deck are those with hand control (cabal therapy, thoughseize) or decks with more counter-magic.
And do you think it is competitive/tier nowadays? Still worth building?
It's as good as the pilot. It is a skill intensive deck that requires a great knowledge of the meta and the deck. It's the type of deck that actually can ignore the metagame (except countertop) so it's a great choice.
It's as good as the pilot. It is a skill intensive deck that requires a great knowledge of the meta and the deck. It's the type of deck that actually can ignore the metagame (except countertop) so it's a great choice.
I completely agree with this statement. This deck rewards practice like no other. I remember when I started playing this deck I was always getting destroyed by Junk. After about two days of testing I mastered using ponder and brainstorm to save the key combo cards at the top of the library until the combo turn. Since then I have around a 75% record vs the deck. The only really hard mach ups I ever encounter are pure mono blue control or Team America.
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How about putting 2-3 Standstill in High Tide deck?
This deck wants to make its first three land drops and uses 10+ can-trips to do so. Playing standstill means you lose all the dig this deck has. Besides we have access to mediate which is better then standstill in this deck since its draw back rarely matters.
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Standstill requires you to have a way to act under it. A savvy opponent will never crack standstill if they know you're playing spiral tide and they have the means to make you deck yourself with it if you play draw go for 50ish turns. Not to mention, when you draw a standstill but no FoW off of time spiral it's essentially drawing one less card since the card is useless while combo'ing out.
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I've been testing this template. I tend to proxy decks before building one...I'm seriously enjoying the gold fish sessions, challenging yet rewarding archetypes like this always hold my interests.
I'm currently playing the Cloud engine version seeing I only own 1 Candelabra (which is decked in a casual edh deck), and take note that I'm only running 4 fetches for base reasons you either start with the ONE fetch in hand that you want and/or draw into one within turns 2-4 when you GO off.
So here's my simple beginners lists, a mixed template from some of the best public lists you can find online.
1x Trade Routes (haven't really had the chance to abuse this card yet)
4x Merchant Scroll (I know this might sound crazy, but 3 might be the magic number...or I'm getting really lucky as always with my draws) 1x Intuition 1x Blue Sun's Zenith
Legacy:WUBG Jace Rock
Trade thread
Sig by: heroes of the plane studios
Also, is the danger of wastland more important than the uncounterability?
Credit goes to Brofoux for the Sig pic.
Current Modern Deck
Black Licorice
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=11006564#post11006564
It did top 9 at Bazaar of Moxen which is 600+ size tournament when misstep was out. It also has a top 8 in a smaller 44 man tournament recently http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/deck.php?id=6310
The deck is fine for the meta right now. High Tide was never played in large numbers generally and Misstep has scared a lot of players off.
Credit goes to Brofoux for the Sig pic.
Current Modern Deck
Black Licorice
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=11006564#post11006564
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This just isn't the case.
I played at the gp, and had 1 opponent in 2 days misstep a high tide. I HOPED they misstepped a candelabra. You can't just pull Inaki's list and run it here in the states, the metagame there isn't the same by a longshot. I'm running 3 misstep and 3 candles.
Misstep is best for stopping turn one duress/seize/cabal. By the time you are going off, your opponents missteps are invalidated. Candelabra is still an all star.
I agree with you completely. Whenever I play in a large event there are always 1-2 show and tell decks I face and BSZ route is a good safety against them. Inaki's list is also far harder to pilot correctly The candelabras provides a safety net to prevent fizzles. I also have been impressed with running a single pact Main Deck as they always get boarded in against any sort of blue decks anyways (Over 1/2 the format)
It just wasn't good enough for me.
Also, big pacific, I didnt see you at the Kansas City GP, what event were you in and what kind of matches did you play?
Credit goes to Brofoux for the Sig pic.
Current Modern Deck
Black Licorice
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=11006564#post11006564
It's as good as the pilot. It is a skill intensive deck that requires a great knowledge of the meta and the deck. It's the type of deck that actually can ignore the metagame (except countertop) so it's a great choice.
I completely agree with this statement. This deck rewards practice like no other. I remember when I started playing this deck I was always getting destroyed by Junk. After about two days of testing I mastered using ponder and brainstorm to save the key combo cards at the top of the library until the combo turn. Since then I have around a 75% record vs the deck. The only really hard mach ups I ever encounter are pure mono blue control or Team America.
It's been a while, but what about this kind of List?:
SPiral Tide @ MTGPULSE, 2nd place out of 120 players
I'll Probably Heavily Modifly a "controlly" version utilizing candles. Possibly 1-2 of of that new spell: Visions of beyond
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Current:
Legacy:
:symu::symb::symr::symw::symg: TES | Spiral Tide | MUD | :symu::symb::symg: Lands | Burn | :symr::symbg: Goblins | Elf Combo
Vintage:
:symb::symu: Titan Dredge | :symb::symu::symw: Bomberman
Modern:
:symu::symr: Kiki-Twin | :symr::symg: Tron
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Wip
EDH:
:symb::symu::symw: Zur
In order for Visions of Beyond to be remotely effective, you'd have to drop your Time Spirals... Doesn't seem like a good trade.
Almost every deck in that tournament seems awkward to me.
Credit goes to Brofoux for the Sig pic.
Current Modern Deck
Black Licorice
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=11006564#post11006564
This deck wants to make its first three land drops and uses 10+ can-trips to do so. Playing standstill means you lose all the dig this deck has. Besides we have access to mediate which is better then standstill in this deck since its draw back rarely matters.
Currently Playing:
Retired
I'm currently playing the Cloud engine version seeing I only own 1 Candelabra (which is decked in a casual edh deck), and take note that I'm only running 4 fetches for base reasons you either start with the ONE fetch in hand that you want and/or draw into one within turns 2-4 when you GO off.
So here's my simple beginners lists, a mixed template from some of the best public lists you can find online.
1x Polluted Delta
1x Flooded Strand
1x Misty Rainforest
14x Island (As Dan would say..."Islands are your best friend sometimes", so right now I'm loving the strong 14 count)
4x Force of Will
3x Pact of Negation (smoother then Mental Misstep in my opinion once your combo is taking form...no gimmick other then you win when this card is applied)
4x High Tide
4x Time Spiral
4x Turnabout
3x Cloud of Faeries
2x Cunning Wish (not sold on only 2 copies yet, 3 might be optimal)
4x Brainstorm
4x Preordain
3x Ponder
4x Merchant Scroll (I know this might sound crazy, but 3 might be the magic number...or I'm getting really lucky as always with my draws)
1x Intuition
1x Blue Sun's Zenith
1x Brain Freeze
1x Meditate
2x Snap
1x Hurkyl's Recall
1x Rebuild
1x Hibernation
2x Counterspell
1x Wipe Away
2x Tormod's Crypt
3x Spell Pierce