Comprehensive rules of the game. Wizards site should have them. I have a judge app in my phone. Either way its quite lengthy but good if you are unsure of things. Gatherer gives rulings on cards that are sometimes relevant as well. But most of the time it may as well be reminder text.
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Well, I have the Visionary's, I don't really see the point in spending $5 to get Wall of Blossums, I mean, it's really just a card draw engine to get to the combo so I don't see the difference between one or the other.
I did swap out the Selkie for the Ravens Familiar, I agree Familiar is the better card.
Not sure I see the point in running the Image. As for a 4th Brianstorm, what do I cut?
The reason for the wall was the deck is oddly weak to creatures. Wall give you a way to hedge those games until you get aluren while helping you get aluren. This of course may not be as relevant now as it used to be as cards like tarmogoyf were printed.
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Mesmeric fiend has a talent for this deck, instead if rats. respond with cavern harpy, it becomes an infinite hand removal.
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A team should be as happy as a meal - TEAM HAPPYMEAL
EDH - UWGrand Arbiter Agustin IV UBW Oloro, Ageless Ascetic Modern - Mono U tron / Polymorph / NFTW (ninja for the win)GR tronGR
Buy All the planeswalkers!!!
Buy All the Dual Lands!!!
Buy All the fetches!
Create tons of EDH Decks!!!
Eat Nothing but Oats!! (LOL, not true)
Train MMA!!!
Marry My girlfriend!!!
Get her Pregnant only Once!
Teach my Son/Daughter Sports and magic cards!!!
Continue my legacy son!!!/Daughter!!
A team should be as happy as a meal - TEAM HAPPYMEAL
EDH - UWGrand Arbiter Agustin IV UBW Oloro, Ageless Ascetic Modern - Mono U tron / Polymorph / NFTW (ninja for the win)GR tronGR
Buy All the planeswalkers!!!
Buy All the Dual Lands!!!
Buy All the fetches!
Create tons of EDH Decks!!!
Eat Nothing but Oats!! (LOL, not true)
Train MMA!!!
Marry My girlfriend!!!
Get her Pregnant only Once!
Teach my Son/Daughter Sports and magic cards!!!
Continue my legacy son!!!/Daughter!!
@dondee, While that is an infinte combo, it also needs another enchantmet which is small enough to be hated out by Abrupt Decay not something we want to do. There are enough cards in other colors that you can make Aluren a G/x/x deck and it can work fairly well. There are several ways to make anything work. If you run a G/B/U list its more control/combo, G/R/B more aggro/combo. The lists that I have put in the primer can be tweaked any way you want, and if you do take a list very different from the primer, please try and bring back a report. I would love to read about it.
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If wizards would print a green, black and white version of Hydroblast and Blue Elemental Blast Painter could be done in every color.
Been doing some testing with what I currently have and have come up with the following "Forceless" list. Keep in mind that its easier with this deck to react to a threat than to counter it. And almost every threat we face if cmc 3 or less.
I think that this list will work far better than my previous with a bit more testing and thinning out what's useless now, and find out what can be put in what slot.
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If wizards would print a green, black and white version of Hydroblast and Blue Elemental Blast Painter could be done in every color.
I don't think that this will ever be legacy "good" I think at this point until some super awesome cmc 3 "I win" style creature gets printed and then it will get some sort of boost. until then its just a fringe deck that will win 50% of its matchups (on average) and be fun to play when it goes off.
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That is something I would love to see matt, as of right now I know that I am personally not taking this to GP Strasbourg next weekend even though its my first legacy love.
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I really like that list, lurking mat. I tried to get explorer to work with therapy, and i tried wish, but puting them all together like that is just genious
So Matt, I'm eager to know how your friend did. I saw 3-4 Aluren decks while I was at the GP but only one of them looked like your friends list but the guy was from Austria. So tell him to come on here and spill please, I'd like to know how he did.
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If wizards would print a green, black and white version of Hydroblast and Blue Elemental Blast Painter could be done in every color.
-I've noticed few have not played Baleful Strix in their lists. Why is that? It's like another Coiling Oracle (minus the ramp). However, BS trades with 90% of the creatures in the format.
-Also, why no Phyrexian Towers? T1 Explorer, T2 Tower allows you to combo off T2 w/ Discard mana up too.
T1: Bayou, Veteran Explorer
T2: Thoughseize/Cabal Therapy, Tower, Sac VE, go get 2 Forests and Aluren if the coast is clear.
-What's the bad matchups? I haven't played it in a few months, so I know the meta changes consistently, and any help I can get before the open would be AWESOME!
Bad match ups for me are mostly aggro decks and some counter decks. I always has a hard time with maverick, rug, and zoo for aggro. Counter balance is pretty bad to but against ANT we are almost 50/50. It depends on how much discard they get us with. I have not tested tower it might be good but I also haven't tried v explorer yet either. Baleful is a meta call I think it would help against aggro. In my experience you may want 2 pact of negation over the two thoughtseize. How ever your list looks more disruptive than reactive like mine. I haven't played this in a while so I'm not sure how well it will do against BUG but I'd you know you will be going against mana greedy land bases I would side 3-4 wasteland. Sounds bad but might be worth a shot. Good luck on your open!
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ok I must be missing something here. when the combo is going off, and you have 2 or more recruiters on the field and the strix and you are casting the harpy to bounce the strix, what keeps someone from blasting the strix? The harpy is on the stack so it can't save the strix. what keeps the strix alive?
ok I must be missing something here. when the combo is going off, and you have 2 or more recruiters on the field and the strix and you are casting the harpy to bounce the strix, what keeps someone from blasting the strix? The harpy is on the stack so it can't save the strix. what keeps the strix alive?
Yeah, this deck has its toughest time getting through removal while Cavern Harpy is on the stack. If all they can do is kill Parasitic Strix while Harpy is on the stack, though, you can get Strix back:
@rogerbacon: you can aslo play another Harpy or use other cards to dig while its still on the stack. Thats one of the awesome things about this is you can respond to almost ANYTHING
NavyJoe we need to know how you did. I know it has been a long while but please post your report!!
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Tiny Leaders Overlord
Well, I have the Visionary's, I don't really see the point in spending $5 to get Wall of Blossums, I mean, it's really just a card draw engine to get to the combo so I don't see the difference between one or the other.
I did swap out the Selkie for the Ravens Familiar, I agree Familiar is the better card.
Not sure I see the point in running the Image. As for a 4th Brianstorm, what do I cut?
-----The Legacy Flowchart-----
Tiny Leaders Overlord
EDH - UWGrand Arbiter Agustin IV
UBW Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
Modern - Mono U tron / Polymorph / NFTW (ninja for the win)GR tron GR
Buy All the Dual Lands!!!
Buy All the fetches!
Create tons of EDH Decks!!!
Eat Nothing but Oats!! (LOL, not true)
Train MMA!!!
Marry My girlfriend!!!
Get her Pregnant only Once!
Teach my Son/Daughter Sports and magic cards!!!
Continue my legacy son!!!/Daughter!!
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I agree, I was thinking the same thing.
Mortus strider + Goblin bombardment or any other sac outlet + aluren
EDH - UWGrand Arbiter Agustin IV
UBW Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
Modern - Mono U tron / Polymorph / NFTW (ninja for the win)GR tron GR
Buy All the Dual Lands!!!
Buy All the fetches!
Create tons of EDH Decks!!!
Eat Nothing but Oats!! (LOL, not true)
Train MMA!!!
Marry My girlfriend!!!
Get her Pregnant only Once!
Teach my Son/Daughter Sports and magic cards!!!
Continue my legacy son!!!/Daughter!!
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1 Island
2 Forest
3 Tropical Island
2 Bayou
1 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Polluted Delta
4 Aluren
4 Abrupt Decay
4 Brainstorm
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Living Wish
1 Imperial Recruiter
1 Parasitic Strix
1 Selkie Hedge-Mage
2 Eternal Witness
2 Dream Stalker
2 Cavern Harpy
3 Coiling Oracle
3 Baleful Strix
4 Raven Familiar
1 Ancient Tomb
1 Imperial Recruiter
1 Cavern Harpy
1 Parasitic Strix
1 Bone Shredder
1 Drake Familiar
1 Viridian Shaman
1 Dream Stalker
1 Selkie Hedge-Mage
1 Spellskite
1 Phyrexian Revoker
3 Faerie Macabre
I think that this list will work far better than my previous with a bit more testing and thinning out what's useless now, and find out what can be put in what slot.
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http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=298966
On Thunderous Wrath
Keon on MODO
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If wizards would print a green, black and white version of Hydroblast and Blue Elemental Blast Painter could be done in every color.
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Riftsweeper.....?
If wizards would print a green, black and white version of Hydroblast and Blue Elemental Blast Painter could be done in every color.
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If wizards would print a green, black and white version of Hydroblast and Blue Elemental Blast Painter could be done in every color.
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If wizards would print a green, black and white version of Hydroblast and Blue Elemental Blast Painter could be done in every color.
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Here's the list played by Martin Goldman-Kirst
1 Cavern Harpy
4 Coiling Oracle
2 Dream Stalker
1 Eternal Witness
4 Imperial Recruiter
1 Venser, Shaper Savant
2 Forest
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Bayou
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Polluted Delta
1 Savannah
1 Taiga
2 Tropical Island
1 Underground Sea
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Volrath's Stronghold
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
4 Intuition
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Gitaxian Probe
1 Life from the Loam
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Harmonic Sliver
1 Peacekeeper
1 Yixlid Jailer
2 Go for the Throat
1 Kataki, War's Wage
1 Llawan, Cephalid Empress
3 Firespout
4 Thoughtseize
Playing:
Modern:
BWEldrazi and TaxesBW
Legacy:
WEldraziW
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1 Parasitic Strix
3 Cavern Harpy
1 Coiling Oracle
3 Baleful Strix
1 Dream Stalker
4 Veteran Explorer
4 Shardless Agent
4 Aluren
4 Brainstorm
1 Ponder
4 Force of Will
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Living Wish
2 Thoughseize
2 Island
1 Swamp
3 Bayou
3 Tropical Island
1 Underground Sea
3 Misty Rainforest
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Phyrexian Tower
1 Yixlid Jailer
1 Gilded Drake
1 Imperial Recruiter
1 Cavern Harpy
1 Coiling Oracle
1 Parasitic Strix
1 Eternal Witness
1 Llawan, Cephalid Empress
1 Riftsweeper
1 Harmonic Sliver
2 Thoughtseize
3 Abrupt Decay
-I've noticed few have not played Baleful Strix in their lists. Why is that? It's like another Coiling Oracle (minus the ramp). However, BS trades with 90% of the creatures in the format.
-Also, why no Phyrexian Towers? T1 Explorer, T2 Tower allows you to combo off T2 w/ Discard mana up too.
T1: Bayou, Veteran Explorer
T2: Thoughseize/Cabal Therapy, Tower, Sac VE, go get 2 Forests and Aluren if the coast is clear.
-What's the bad matchups? I haven't played it in a few months, so I know the meta changes consistently, and any help I can get before the open would be AWESOME!
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=519290
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Yeah, this deck has its toughest time getting through removal while Cavern Harpy is on the stack. If all they can do is kill Parasitic Strix while Harpy is on the stack, though, you can get Strix back:
If your opponent times Terminus properly (in response to Dream Stalker after finding Recruiter #4), I don't think there's anything you can do.
NavyJoe we need to know how you did. I know it has been a long while but please post your report!!
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