Hi :). I dont know much about modern but i am interested and have some questions. I started to play magic during kamigawa standard so its very attractive to me to play all the cards i first knew and onward.
How volatile is this format? How much higher then a given standard season is the power level of most decks? How much faster are games usually?
How healthy is the format? I noticed theres more then just a couple "tier 1" decks, but how close is the 25th best deck to the 3rd? In other words, how big is the gap between tier 1.5 or tier 2 decks and tier 1 decks.
Lastly and my most important question : To what extent can and do people just pick their favorite (good) deck from whatever standard season (adding in the modern staples and manabases) and do decently well? To me it seems thats what WotC would have been going for with this format, and it interests me.
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Hi :). I dont know much about modern but i am interested and have some questions. I started to play magic during kamigawa standard so its very attractive to me to play all the cards i first knew and onward.
How volatile is this format? How much higher then a given standard season is the power level of most decks? How much faster are games usually?
How healthy is the format? I noticed theres more then just a couple "tier 1" decks, but how close is the 25th best deck to the 3rd? In other words, how big is the gap between tier 1.5 or tier 2 decks and tier 1 decks.
Lastly and my most important question : To what extent can and do people just pick their favorite (good) deck from whatever standard season (adding in the modern staples and manabases) and do decently well? To me it seems thats what WotC would have been going for with this format, and it interests me.
The format is quite volatile. It probably wont be set for at least another year and that is if more bans don't come down. If more bans come down it will reset the format most likely. Most of the decks are quite similar to extended except affinity and storm. The power level honestly really doesn't feel any different.
As for the speed of the format it really depends. Like standard most aggro decks tend to look at 4rth turn as the make or break turn. Combo decks attempt to win on turn 4, but most of the time it is 5-6. So essentially the same as standard for the most part.
As for the health of the format right now we have really only 2-3 tier 1 decks, and a whole slew of underdeveloped decks. I would guess that the top 2-3 decks are quite a bit more powerful than the rest. Also the 25th deck in the format does not exist. Really boiled down only 5-6 real decks exist than the rest are variants or offshoots of those decks.
You can pick a deck from a former standard season and you will probably struggle. Unless of course you pick affinity, jund, or boros. Every deck is trying to keep up with jund in power so it is a good benchmark.
The format is quite volatile. It probably wont be set for at least another year and that is if more bans don't come down. If more bans come down it will reset the format most likely. Most of the decks are quite similar to extended except affinity and storm. The power level honestly really doesn't feel any different.
As for the speed of the format it really depends. Like standard most aggro decks tend to look at 4rth turn as the make or break turn. Combo decks attempt to win on turn 4, but most of the time it is 5-6. So essentially the same as standard for the most part.
As for the health of the format right now we have really only 2-3 tier 1 decks, and a whole slew of underdeveloped decks. I would guess that the top 2-3 decks are quite a bit more powerful than the rest. Also the 25th deck in the format does not exist. Really boiled down only 5-6 real decks exist than the rest are variants or offshoots of those decks.
You can pick a deck from a former standard season and you will probably struggle. Unless of course you pick affinity, jund, or boros. Every deck is trying to keep up with jund in power so it is a good benchmark.
Thats quite sad Maybe i will keep researching the format. Thanks for the info
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"Creatures are the worst part of magic, if you want to play creatures, play pokemon."
Really, this is a format where anything can be viable if you put enough work into your deck and the overall power level is high enough. This is indeed a very powerful format, but WotC has done a great job of balancing that power. "Tier 1" decks change about every 3-4 weeks in modern. Over the past month or 2, there have been around 8 or so different tier 1 decks that have cycled through. Jund, Twin, and Affinity are probably the tier 1 at the moment, but there are about 4 different versions of Affinity, and a couple different Twin lists. Personally, I think that just about any deck can make it in this format with the right combination of speed, power, and versatility. Its a fantastic format, and I highly encourage you to invest in it.
I can assure you no more "important" bans are on the way that would "reset" the format.
To answer your other question, yes, the format is very diverse, and there are so many decks that people can't sideboard against all of them, and therefore everyone can beat everyone with very little lopsided pairings.
The only big problem I see is goyf's price and its warping of deck picking decisions. Myself I've had to pick another deck instead of playing a rock one I'd like to play. And many many people I speak to tell me they couldn't make that X deck because of goyf's price. Many end up playing UR Storm, specially now that faithless looting is on the way.
I think that just about any deck can make it in this format with the right combination of speed, power, and versatility.
While I agree it is worth the investment I would not spend on some things that will likely be banned as soon as someone decides they can't beat it with an aggro deck so they complain to wizards.
Truth be told not every deck can have speed, power, and versatility. Control decks don't have any of the 3 right now. tempo decks have versatility and speed, but are lacking in the power department. Jund has all 3 and twin is only slightly weak in the versatility department.
As for the meta of course it has changed over the last 6 months. That is what happens when you constantly ban things. However I think the best decks are close to being set unless more bans come down.
I clicked the link, thinking "Cool! Another source! Let's see what they have to say!" Imagine my shock when my own sheets popped up. LOL! I love it that folks are grabbing my sheets and spreading 'em about! Seriously. I must be doing something right.
You're spread sheet has given me more insight into the meta than any other source of info. Thanks for the work.
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Modern (I collect the format):
WURDelver
[/MANA]MANA]R[/MANA]GTron WDeath and Taxes WSoul Sisters RWG Pod Combo URSplinter Twin URStorm RBurn
Really, this is a format where anything can be viable if you put enough work into your deck and the overall power level is high enough. This is indeed a very powerful format, but WotC has done a great job of balancing that power. "Tier 1" decks change about every 3-4 weeks in modern. Over the past month or 2, there have been around 8 or so different tier 1 decks that have cycled through. Jund, Twin, and Affinity are probably the tier 1 at the moment, but there are about 4 different versions of Affinity, and a couple different Twin lists. Personally, I think that just about any deck can make it in this format with the right combination of speed, power, and versatility. Its a fantastic format, and I highly encourage you to invest in it.
I think the dailies say that the Tier 1 is not Affinity, Twin, or Jund. All of which are rather linear and straight forward decks that can not be "tuned" well enough for such a broad Meta.
Affinity is nearly dead, and Jund hasn't been winning much. Twin is still pulling out wins, by far and large the Tempo decks are dominating with a few Pod decks tossed in for good measure. The Tempo decks are bound to take over after the banning of Punishing Fire, as that was the card that had kept them in check previously.
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The thing to keep in mind with rising numbers is that people will play what people say is a great deck. I imagine that this is a big influence why the format is being very volatile, when in reality a lot of the decks are evenly matched. Hence the Delver and Caw decks surging in population.
There is a huge amount of room in this format for any deck to grow. The advantage this format has over Legacy and Standard is the lack of over-powered cards vs the average power level of the format. For the most part, a lot of the cards seem to have been balanced since the modern card frame. A few notorious broken, format warping cards were banned, of course, but with this overall balance I feel that any well built deck has a chance. Granted, these decks do have to be able to account for the meta's turn clock, but that goes into tuning the deck to the format.
The problem with players complaining so much now is that there isn't anywhere for the hivemind of non-inventive players to turn to. Thus, you have a very broad spectrum of decks winning PTQs and Dailies since every deck can compete. Sure, decks like Affinity can dominate for awhile, but they influence deck creation to account for them. Much how Legacy decks seem to go in and out of favor. So when a bad deck builder can't have the recent winning decklist perform as well for him, he complains about the condition of the format.
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Also, consider that Liliana counts as occasional mana denial, and it starts to become a significant portion of our strategy.
Dunno... I plugged in a few more Jund, Affinity, and Twin wins this morning.
Although to be fair, I have noticed a decline in the number of Jund instances.
Delver and Caw decks are pouring out of the woodwork, but they seem to end up mostly in the 3-1 category. A few Caw have gone 4-0 recently, tho.
Boros has been doing well.
Tron is also on the upswing.
Pod seems to be holding steady.
I think as the lists get solidified we will see them going 4-0 consistently. I know the matchups against Jund and Twin is in Delver/Tempo's favor. Boros dies to removal and Leyline, which some of the Tempo decks play.
Tron is looking to be the best chance Control has in this format, at least until some decent answers are printed in up coming blocks.
Pod is a difficult matchup for Delver/Tempo. If the Pod get's going it's essentially game over for the Delver/Tempo decks.
This is essentially what I have been seeing in my matchups. I haven't played against Jund in a week now outside of the tournament practice room. I can't imagine that player doing well in the actual dailies though.
The ban of Punishing Fire shook the Meta up quite a bit. I think that card was the oppressive one out of the recent bans. It seems to me that Nactyl wasn't so much a problem as having people that didn't want to invest in new decks was. Not necessarily the cost reasons, but learning to play a new deck while being so close to the start of PTQ season can influence a lot of decision making. Time spent learning a deck is an Investment that pay's off more than buying the cards themselves usually. I can't tell you how many people I've seen taking a new deck into an event and doing poorly as a result. I know I did it before I learn how bad of an idea that was.
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Too many to list efficiently. Find me online with the same SN if you want to play, or message me here to set up a time to play.
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How volatile is this format? How much higher then a given standard season is the power level of most decks? How much faster are games usually?
How healthy is the format? I noticed theres more then just a couple "tier 1" decks, but how close is the 25th best deck to the 3rd? In other words, how big is the gap between tier 1.5 or tier 2 decks and tier 1 decks.
Lastly and my most important question : To what extent can and do people just pick their favorite (good) deck from whatever standard season (adding in the modern staples and manabases) and do decently well? To me it seems thats what WotC would have been going for with this format, and it interests me.
The format is quite volatile. It probably wont be set for at least another year and that is if more bans don't come down. If more bans come down it will reset the format most likely. Most of the decks are quite similar to extended except affinity and storm. The power level honestly really doesn't feel any different.
As for the speed of the format it really depends. Like standard most aggro decks tend to look at 4rth turn as the make or break turn. Combo decks attempt to win on turn 4, but most of the time it is 5-6. So essentially the same as standard for the most part.
As for the health of the format right now we have really only 2-3 tier 1 decks, and a whole slew of underdeveloped decks. I would guess that the top 2-3 decks are quite a bit more powerful than the rest. Also the 25th deck in the format does not exist. Really boiled down only 5-6 real decks exist than the rest are variants or offshoots of those decks.
You can pick a deck from a former standard season and you will probably struggle. Unless of course you pick affinity, jund, or boros. Every deck is trying to keep up with jund in power so it is a good benchmark.
Thats quite sad Maybe i will keep researching the format. Thanks for the info
by all means get into it and what not.
Just look at every thing critically when your picking your deck. It that deck has a major weakness it will probably be exploited.
To answer your other question, yes, the format is very diverse, and there are so many decks that people can't sideboard against all of them, and therefore everyone can beat everyone with very little lopsided pairings.
The only big problem I see is goyf's price and its warping of deck picking decisions. Myself I've had to pick another deck instead of playing a rock one I'd like to play. And many many people I speak to tell me they couldn't make that X deck because of goyf's price. Many end up playing UR Storm, specially now that faithless looting is on the way.
While I agree it is worth the investment I would not spend on some things that will likely be banned as soon as someone decides they can't beat it with an aggro deck so they complain to wizards.
Truth be told not every deck can have speed, power, and versatility. Control decks don't have any of the 3 right now. tempo decks have versatility and speed, but are lacking in the power department. Jund has all 3 and twin is only slightly weak in the versatility department.
As for the meta of course it has changed over the last 6 months. That is what happens when you constantly ban things. However I think the best decks are close to being set unless more bans come down.
That's 7 different decks that have won 2 or more PTQ's. People telling you this isn't a diverse format don't know what they are talking about.
WURDelver
[/MANA]MANA]R[/MANA]GTron
WDeath and Taxes
WSoul Sisters
RWG Pod Combo
URSplinter Twin
URStorm
RBurn
WURDelver
[/MANA]MANA]R[/MANA]GTron
WDeath and Taxes
WSoul Sisters
RWG Pod Combo
URSplinter Twin
URStorm
RBurn
OP- it is still a meta that is wide open for creativity and hard work.
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I think the dailies say that the Tier 1 is not Affinity, Twin, or Jund. All of which are rather linear and straight forward decks that can not be "tuned" well enough for such a broad Meta.
Affinity is nearly dead, and Jund hasn't been winning much. Twin is still pulling out wins, by far and large the Tempo decks are dominating with a few Pod decks tossed in for good measure. The Tempo decks are bound to take over after the banning of Punishing Fire, as that was the card that had kept them in check previously.
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Modern
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Whatever pile of 75 I throw together the night before without testing. Usually: :symb::symu::symg:
There is a huge amount of room in this format for any deck to grow. The advantage this format has over Legacy and Standard is the lack of over-powered cards vs the average power level of the format. For the most part, a lot of the cards seem to have been balanced since the modern card frame. A few notorious broken, format warping cards were banned, of course, but with this overall balance I feel that any well built deck has a chance. Granted, these decks do have to be able to account for the meta's turn clock, but that goes into tuning the deck to the format.
The problem with players complaining so much now is that there isn't anywhere for the hivemind of non-inventive players to turn to. Thus, you have a very broad spectrum of decks winning PTQs and Dailies since every deck can compete. Sure, decks like Affinity can dominate for awhile, but they influence deck creation to account for them. Much how Legacy decks seem to go in and out of favor. So when a bad deck builder can't have the recent winning decklist perform as well for him, he complains about the condition of the format.
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I think as the lists get solidified we will see them going 4-0 consistently. I know the matchups against Jund and Twin is in Delver/Tempo's favor. Boros dies to removal and Leyline, which some of the Tempo decks play.
Tron is looking to be the best chance Control has in this format, at least until some decent answers are printed in up coming blocks.
Pod is a difficult matchup for Delver/Tempo. If the Pod get's going it's essentially game over for the Delver/Tempo decks.
This is essentially what I have been seeing in my matchups. I haven't played against Jund in a week now outside of the tournament practice room. I can't imagine that player doing well in the actual dailies though.
The ban of Punishing Fire shook the Meta up quite a bit. I think that card was the oppressive one out of the recent bans. It seems to me that Nactyl wasn't so much a problem as having people that didn't want to invest in new decks was. Not necessarily the cost reasons, but learning to play a new deck while being so close to the start of PTQ season can influence a lot of decision making. Time spent learning a deck is an Investment that pay's off more than buying the cards themselves usually. I can't tell you how many people I've seen taking a new deck into an event and doing poorly as a result. I know I did it before I learn how bad of an idea that was.
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Too many to list efficiently. Find me online with the same SN if you want to play, or message me here to set up a time to play.
Modern
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Whatever pile of 75 I throw together the night before without testing. Usually: :symb::symu::symg: