The newest thing in Legacy, all over MTGO Daily Standard 4-0 lists, and banned in Block constructed, the only place this card doesn't seem to make a substantial showing is Modern. Simply, what gives? Does the fact that you don't have Intuition and Stoneforge Mystic in the format mean it isn't doing enough crazy things to make it worth it? I'm asking from a place of genuine ignorance, so any testing experience or general format knowledge would be appreciated.
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I really like the card. Any deck I've jammed it in, it works. I've stuffed it into Caw-Blade, Loam Control, BW Tokens, Esper Delver, and Death Cloud, and it's worked wonders in all 5. It's better than Squadron Hawk (paying 5 mana for 4 fliers is better than paying 8 mana, plus Souls is a better topdeck), and Squadron Hawk pays the bills.
You'll usually see at least one deck with Lingering Souls in each MTGO Modern Daily (or at least in any 3 given Modern Dailies).
Seems like it would be really great in esper control/caw blade. Or even a birdsless esper control build since it is more potent even than squadron hawks. Tokens.dec seems like a no-brainer. It's already in basically every BW list.
The newest thing in Legacy, all over MTGO Daily Standard 4-0 lists, and banned in Block constructed, the only place this card doesn't seem to make a substantial showing is Modern. Simply, what gives? Does the fact that you don't have Intuition and Stoneforge Mystic in the format mean it isn't doing enough crazy things to make it worth it? I'm asking from a place of genuine ignorance, so any testing experience or general format knowledge would be appreciated.
Take a look at tokens, a tier 1.5 deck. From what I've heard control decks are starting to look into it to. the difference is control in this format is alot different then legacy's. tron is sorta the control here, and they simply go big rather then worry about other peoples threats.
Lingering Souls has found a home in some teir2 decks, thats about it. Why? Because for three mana at sorcery speed you better be doing alot more than just putting two tokens into play. At least thats how it goes in modern. It hasn't made as much of a splash as it has in standard because standard is much slower. As for legacy, well despite the fact that legacy is a little faster in that they have decks that can consistently win on T3, Lingering Souls is played there because tapping out isn't as scary due to the presence of FoW and Daze in Legacy.
Lingering Souls has found a home in some teir2 decks, thats about it. Why? Because for three mana at sorcery speed you better be doing alot more than just putting two tokens into play. At least thats how it goes in modern. It hasn't made as much of a splash as it has in standard because standard is much slower. As for legacy, well despite the fact that legacy is a little faster in that they have decks that can consistently win on T3, Lingering Souls is played there because tapping out isn't as scary due to the presence of FoW and Daze in Legacy.
Actually, B/W tokens might be a tier 1 deck in modern now, I believe. There's another white card from the alara block, I think, that also poops out tokens like lingering souls does, and in combination, they form a pretty decent deck, or so I've heard. Just because you don't see a deck in established deck section of mtgsalvation doesn't mean it isn't a deck.
It's pretty fantastic for control and midrange because it allows you to block forever, and as a top deck it's not the worst win-con. The colours are what I believe restrict it.
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Lingering souls is a great card, primarily because it's difficult for an opponent to interact with. I think most of it's problem is the environment rather than the card itself.
But most of the top decks in Modern don't care all that much about it.
Tron just says "lol emrakul"
Storm doesn't care about it
Twin doesn't care about it
Melira just combos out
Burn doesn't care about it
Even other midrange decks like Jund, Faeries, and Delver can power through it and out-tempo it.
I definitely think it's playable, and it is played in tokens already. I wouldn't be entirely surprised to see it replace Squadron Hawk in Modern Caw Blade, although getting a turn 2 blocker is highly relevant against decks like affinity.
The main problem as I see it is that Tron's presence really invalidates tons of decks that don't focus on having a clock.
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I don't think I would replace Hawks with it, rather than just adding it to a deck already running Hawks. Hawks serve a different function than Lingering Souls in the decks running them. Lingering gives you ridiculous amounts of Virtual Card advantage for 5 mana and one card. Hawks gives you 4 actual cards for 2 mana. With how much GY hate is flying around thanks to Loam, Goyf, and KotR seeing play, Hawks are a bit more resilient. Any deck relying on 1/1s and swords would be better to load up on the number of 1/1's it can actually pump out IMO.
Before Lingering Souls was released, most of the Hawk decks were running with Spectral Procession or Midnight Haunting to add to the Hawks arsenal. I think that was the correct choice, and simply running Lingering Souls in replace of those is better, and it opens you up to being able to run IoK/Duress/Thoughtseize/Extirpate/Confident.
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The newest thing in Legacy, all over MTGO Daily Standard 4-0 lists, and banned in Block constructed, the only place this card doesn't seem to make a substantial showing is Modern. Simply, what gives? Does the fact that you don't have Intuition and Stoneforge Mystic in the format mean it isn't doing enough crazy things to make it worth it? I'm asking from a place of genuine ignorance, so any testing experience or general format knowledge would be appreciated.
You'll usually see at least one deck with Lingering Souls in each MTGO Modern Daily (or at least in any 3 given Modern Dailies).
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Take a look at tokens, a tier 1.5 deck. From what I've heard control decks are starting to look into it to. the difference is control in this format is alot different then legacy's. tron is sorta the control here, and they simply go big rather then worry about other peoples threats.
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Actually, B/W tokens might be a tier 1 deck in modern now, I believe. There's another white card from the alara block, I think, that also poops out tokens like lingering souls does, and in combination, they form a pretty decent deck, or so I've heard. Just because you don't see a deck in established deck section of mtgsalvation doesn't mean it isn't a deck.
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But most of the top decks in Modern don't care all that much about it.
Tron just says "lol emrakul"
Storm doesn't care about it
Twin doesn't care about it
Melira just combos out
Burn doesn't care about it
Even other midrange decks like Jund, Faeries, and Delver can power through it and out-tempo it.
I definitely think it's playable, and it is played in tokens already. I wouldn't be entirely surprised to see it replace Squadron Hawk in Modern Caw Blade, although getting a turn 2 blocker is highly relevant against decks like affinity.
The main problem as I see it is that Tron's presence really invalidates tons of decks that don't focus on having a clock.
Before Lingering Souls was released, most of the Hawk decks were running with Spectral Procession or Midnight Haunting to add to the Hawks arsenal. I think that was the correct choice, and simply running Lingering Souls in replace of those is better, and it opens you up to being able to run IoK/Duress/Thoughtseize/Extirpate/Confident.
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