When modern was first being whispered/announced I had three friends who were all building Hypergenesis. Then it got banned (for obvious reasons). The thing is... It was so obvious it was gonna hit the banlist. But it turned off my freinds to Modern. Does anyone else have stories about how unrealistic expectations of the format (usually the fault of the people that have them), turned people away from the format?
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When the format was announced me and three other buddies all decided to built old standard decks from the past (and present) and adapt them into modern. I built U/B Fae, Another Jund, Another Caw-blade and another Combo-Elves. Through testing it wasn't even completely obvious to us what the top deck was going to be. Faeries scooped to Caw-Blade, Caw-Blade scooped to Jund and Jund scooped to Combo Elves. We eventually had another player come and he had Affinity and that just steam rolled us to ****. To us this seemed almost balanced, though it was pretty obvious Stoneforge Mystic, Skullclamp and Mental Misstep were going to be banned.
Then the ban list come and all of us lost interest in modern. It just looked like Zoo and Storm hell from what the list gave us. Stoneforge Mystic, Jitte, Misstep, Hypergenesis and Clamp all seemed legit and fair. Everything else seemed like overkill and irrational fear (To us, but now knowing what I know from last year a lot more on the list makes sense. But it could still be A LOT smaller.)
Now it's mid 2012 and the list is even bigger. But, yeah, we were all really pissed we couldn't play our pet decks from standard/legacy. Three of those people are actually playing modern now (Myself included) and playing Affinity and Jund.
TL;DR: My expectations for modern are fluctuating with each passing ban list update. I can only imagine what stupidity they're going to ban next.
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a lot of my friends were mad that they couldn't cheese to victory anymore with things like hypergenesis and fairies. but now they are having fun playing decks that don't break the game in half.
the only bans that really surprised me were cloudpost and green sun's zenith however so far i think the banlist is pretty fair, and i foresee goyf probably hitting it soon.
basically i expect good things from modern, it feels like the most fun format right now because you aren't completely constrained when making a deck.
If you were surprised by cloudpost being banned, take it as a learning experience. That ban should not have been surprising in the wake of the pro tour, as the card was making it near impossible to run any type of control strategy. It was as close to a sure ban as you'll ever see.
If you were surprised by cloudpost being banned, take it as a learning experience. That ban should not have been surprising in the wake of the pro tour, as the card was making it near impossible to run any type of control strategy. It was as close to a sure ban as you'll ever see.
The only cards that should be on there for sure are jitte, skullclamp, hypergenesis, glimpse, the artifact lands, and cloudpost. Oh, and top of course. The chrome mox I think could go either way. I think all the others are either preemptive bans because they were the boogey man cards in some other format at some point, or they saw were consistently winning too much. Green Sun and nacatl are the most surprising bans. I think the only exceptions to this are the dredge cards because obviously dredge in this format would just be a pain in the ass.
THe loss of Jitte has made many of my decks impossible to translate to the format. I feel like Modern is a junior version of magic where we are all constrained by the slow kids who can't deal with good cards. The knee jerk bannings are mostly unfounded and they won't give the format time to evolve. Seriously Ponder is on the list but Splinter Twin isn't? Cloudpost isn't the issue the Eldrazi are. Once they ban Gift's Unfiven I will lose what is left of my interest in the format. Which is sad since I was one of the formats bigger supporters for months.
We can't get people to play Modern at the shop. We have scheduled dual events now so when the Modern events fail to get enough people we can get a draft going.
Modern is a good idea with a terrible implementation. Speculators jumping the prices through the roof doesn't help LGS's to get inventory up so people can get into the format with ease. With a poor global economy I just don't see people taking their already limited resources and spending it on cards that may or may not be legal. The ban list is really what hurt this format.
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THe loss of Jitte has made many of my decks impossible to translate to the format. I feel like Modern is a junior version of magic where we are all constrained by the slow kids who can't deal with good cards. The knee jerk bannings are mostly unfounded and they won't give the format time to evolve. Seriously Ponder is on the list but Splinter Twin isn't? Cloudpost isn't the issue the Eldrazi are. Once they ban Gift's Unfiven I will lose what is left of my interest in the format. Which is sad since I was one of the formats bigger supporters for months.
We can't get people to play Modern at the shop. We have scheduled dual events now so when the Modern events fail to get enough people we can get a draft going.
Modern is a good idea with a terrible implementation. Speculators jumping the prices through the roof doesn't help LGS's to get inventory up so people can get into the format with ease. With a poor global economy I just don't see people taking their already limited resources and spending it on cards that may or may not be legal. The ban list is really what hurt this format.
I was surprised they banned both ponder and preordain. I was also surprised the original ban list was so small. I figured they would have learned from Legacy in the sense of creating a new format and went for a larger ban list they could pare down at a later date. I still think they should have banned Vesuva instead of cloudpost.
All in all during play testing we figured most of the ban list out. We were really surprised GSZ wasnt on the original ban list due to the ability to play mono green and fetch up some very powerful multicolored cards.
Still surprised at the high level of the power of the format. I figured they would have nerfed it a bit more by now.
THe loss of Jitte has made many of my decks impossible to translate to the format. I feel like Modern is a junior version of magic where we are all constrained by the slow kids who can't deal with good cards. The knee jerk bannings are mostly unfounded and they won't give the format time to evolve. Seriously Ponder is on the list but Splinter Twin isn't? Cloudpost isn't the issue the Eldrazi are. Once they ban Gift's Unfiven I will lose what is left of my interest in the format. Which is sad since I was one of the formats bigger supporters for months.
We can't get people to play Modern at the shop. We have scheduled dual events now so when the Modern events fail to get enough people we can get a draft going.
Modern is a good idea with a terrible implementation. Speculators jumping the prices through the roof doesn't help LGS's to get inventory up so people can get into the format with ease. With a poor global economy I just don't see people taking their already limited resources and spending it on cards that may or may not be legal. The ban list is really what hurt this format.
You should really take an economics course. Speculators are not what's jumping the prices. If they were, they would have fallen by now. An increase in demand leads to an increase in prices.
Kirblar, you can try to explain supply and demand all you want but some just want their cards cheap. Of course those same people want top dollar when they are on the selling side.
You should really take an economics course. Speculators are not what's jumping the prices. If they were, they would have fallen by now. An increase in demand leads to an increase in prices.
You should've listened in your economics course. Certain commodities do indeed have price fluctuation due to speculation. That's one of the reason Gas prices are the way they are. Oil happens to be on of those commodities. Magic cards may or may not be, but it sure looks like speculation plays a huge role in the pricing on certain cards.
I suppose I should give you a very recent example of why i think speculation plays a bigger role in MTG Card pricing than you think; Wolfir Silverheart. It was in a Top 8 deck as a singleton. Immediately after that tournament the price went from like 1.50 - 2.00 to 8.00. You mean to tell me, that on the sunday following that event, everyone purchased Wolfir Silverhearts until SCG and other online vendors gradually rose to price to meet the incoming demand? Because you'd be wrong. SCG saw the list and decided to price them at 8 dollars, regardless of the demand.
You should've listened in your economics course. Certain commodities do indeed have price fluctuation due to speculation. That's one of the reason Gas prices are the way they are. Oil happens to be on of those commodities. Magic cards may or may not be, but it sure looks like speculation plays a huge role in the pricing on certain cards.
I suppose I should give you a very recent example of why i think speculation plays a bigger role in MTG Card pricing than you think; Wolfir Silverheart. It was in a Top 8 deck as a singleton. Immediately after that tournament the price went from like 1.50 - 2.00 to 8.00. You mean to tell me, that on the sunday following that event, everyone purchased Wolfir Silverhearts until SCG and other online vendors gradually rose to price to meet the incoming demand? Because you'd be wrong. SCG saw the list and decided to price them at 8 dollars, regardless of the demand.
And the card's likely going to crash hard. But that's not what is happening with cards like Hallowed Fountain, V. Clique and Mutavault. These aren't temporary price bumps. They're permanent moves. Who on earth would speculate on Hallowed Fountain right now anyway? It's almost certainly getting a reprint within a year and a half.
People like to blame "speculators" and stores like SCG for high prices, when its simply a function of limited supply and massive demand.
And the card's likely going to crash hard. But that's not what is happening with cards like Hallowed Fountain, V. Clique and Mutavault. These aren't temporary price bumps. They're permanent moves. Who on earth would speculate on Hallowed Fountain right now anyway? It's almost certainly getting a reprint within a year and a half.
They did, however, speculate on it(Hallowed Fountain) when Modern was first announced, despite it only seeing play (now) in tier 2 decks. Just because no one's buying them or because they don't see very much play doesn't mean the price is going to drop; plenty of people are buying them to not warrant dropping them to 10 dollars(again). As for V. Clique, that happens to be one of the best creatures in Legacy (and ever printed if you ask me).
They did, however, speculate on it(Hallowed Fountain) when Modern was first announced, despite it only seeing play (now) in tier 2 decks. Just because no one's buying them or because they don't see very much play doesn't mean the price is going to drop; plenty of people are buying them to not warrant dropping them to 10 dollars(again). As for V. Clique, that happens to be one of the best creatures in Legacy (and ever printed if you ask me).
It also sees play in Commander, cubes, and is from Dissension, a set with a very small print run due to both 3rd set syndrome AND Coldsnap being released shortly after. There's a reason in-demand cards from that set spike wildly. The player base has also expanded dramatically since the set, leading to a related increase in prices. Don't believe me? Look at the M10 duals. They were worth $2-3 each when M12 was being drafted, but they're now getting to the $5-6 range again, due to the influx of players (and M12 not being opened very much.) That's not speculation, that's how the world works.
I would also not classify Caw and Delver as T2.
edit: Here's a price history for Hallowed Fountain- if this was a mere boom/bust situation, we would have seen a crash after the boom. Instead, it came down slightly and settled into its new price point. At this point, the speculators are almost certainly out of the market. http://store.tcgplayer.com/Product.aspx?id=13875
I played a game with a friend who hadn't played in a while, he updated a combo-y elf deck that I'm pretty sure he netdecked like three years ago, and I crushed his soul with three different decks, multiple times. He's a sore loser, and won't play Magic any more at all. Like, sorry my well-tuned decks crushed your day 1 elf tricks deck with an obvious, disruptable gameplan. He thinks it has something to do with me having money cards, which is hilarious - I play Affinity without Ravager, mostly, and the other two decks only had decent mana bases, not really anything more expensive than his Goyfs and Fetches, so whatever. He's mostly a casual Standard player, so I get that the barrier to entry is cost, but he was proxying whatever he didn't have anyway since it was short notice. I think he's intimidated by the large card pool and variety of threats you have to deal with - he got run over by aggro Affinity, out controlled by UBR Teachings control, and baffled into the ground by MartyrProc. He was expecting something casual, which in his mind turns out means "I win or don't play," which is a really weird mentality.
This I think is more a problem with him, and is something his friends have told me is common.
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He really had no idea what he was going up against. I don't want to toot my own horn, but he didn't even know what the format was. I think he looked up the prices of his old Goyfs and threw them in because they were worth so much and/or green. His deck was trying to ramp hard into one big Fireball, so I just either killed him first, outlived his Fireball, or countered his singleton Fireball. I think the Goyf was mostly defensive? But he got defensive himself when I suggested Wall of Roots or Wall of Blossoms or Overgrown Battlement if he was worried about defense and also wanted to ramp, so whatever. He mostly seemed mad that his strategy wasn't viable, and didn't want to change it. So dumb.
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When the format was announced me and three other buddies all decided to built old standard decks from the past (and present) and adapt them into modern. I built U/B Fae, Another Jund, Another Caw-blade and another Combo-Elves. Through testing it wasn't even completely obvious to us what the top deck was going to be. Faeries scooped to Caw-Blade, Caw-Blade scooped to Jund and Jund scooped to Combo Elves. We eventually had another player come and he had Affinity and that just steam rolled us to ****. To us this seemed almost balanced, though it was pretty obvious Stoneforge Mystic, Skullclamp and Mental Misstep were going to be banned.
Then the ban list come and all of us lost interest in modern. It just looked like Zoo and Storm hell from what the list gave us. Stoneforge Mystic, Jitte, Misstep, Hypergenesis and Clamp all seemed legit and fair. Everything else seemed like overkill and irrational fear (To us, but now knowing what I know from last year a lot more on the list makes sense. But it could still be A LOT smaller.)
Now it's mid 2012 and the list is even bigger. But, yeah, we were all really pissed we couldn't play our pet decks from standard/legacy. Three of those people are actually playing modern now (Myself included) and playing Affinity and Jund.
TL;DR: My expectations for modern are fluctuating with each passing ban list update. I can only imagine what stupidity they're going to ban next.
Then why do you play modern at all? There is nothing wrong with having qualms with the banlist, but every format is going to have an imperfect banlist due to the fact that what should and shouldn't be banned can be very subjective. That doesn't mean that there isn't an acceptable and unacceptable power level range when it comes to banning. But if you hate it so much, why play?
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The thread to post nonsense stuff about unbanning op cards is sticky'd on the top of the forum.
About this thread's topic, I wanted to play a nonrotating format that didn't cost as much as legacy, and if it was gonna be like old extended, even better. Also getting rid of the interaction between combo and fow was pretty important to be able to play nonblue, noncombo decks.
I got into Modern because it was a unique, skill intensive format that was wide open for me as a deck brewer to find new ways to manipulate and break the format. For people like me, Modern is, and always has been awesome since the card pool is large, the decks unique, and the format is pretty balanced. I also wanted to play a format where there were a lot of powerful cards and a wide selection, but also playing a format not limited by cards like Daze, Stifle, Wasteland, FOW, or the barrier of combo decks like ANT & High Tide.
Other people got into modern so they could play their pet decks and pet cards again and hope to win without putting much thought into what they were playing. These people got pissed they couldn't win off the back of a stoneforge mystic saving the day, or getting a good matchup where they could just play hypergenesis and win without an opponent having any disruption. To be honest, I'm glad people like this aren't playing modern that much, since they're generally not that good players, generally don't know how to properly tune a deck or analyze what is or isn't good, and are more often than not, the type of player who isn't a good sport. I know that's a blanket statement, but at least to some degree, it's true.
I got into Modern because it was a unique, skill intensive format that was wide open for me as a deck brewer to find new ways to manipulate and break the format. For people like me, Modern is, and always has been awesome since the card pool is large, the decks unique, and the format is pretty balanced.
Other people got into modern so they could play their pet decks and pet cards again and hope to win without putting much thought into what they were playing. These people got pissed they couldn't win off the back of a stoneforge mystic saving the day, or getting a good matchup where they could just play hypergenesis and win without an opponent having any disruption. To be honest, I'm glad people like this aren't playing modern that much, since they're generally not that good players, generally don't know how to properly tune a deck or analyze what is or isn't good, and are more often than not, the type of player who isn't a good sport. I know that's a blanket statement, but at least to some degree, it's true.
I don't even mind draw go, but most people were silly when modern started, and looked at a VERY narrow list of cards and saw 1 card banned and said "i'm out".
It's pretty telling that it took a good 6 + months for people realize vedalken shackles was in fact really really good, or that Tron was playable.
Heck, recently it's been taking people a while to realize that Zoo is still a deck, even without Nacatl.
At PT Philadelphia, so many people were hung up on 12post or Zoo, that it made it glaringly obvious that Storm Combo and Splinter Twin could just wreck a field of those decks as they had very little way to race or stop them from going off. Not saying 12post shouldn't have been banned, but if more people would have realized that maybe 12post DID have some awful matchups, they wouldn't have been in such a bad spot for the tournament.
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I was playing 12post way before the PT and I was losing every time to storm and twin /sadface.
About combo, they work mostly with creatures (twin, melira), so removal spells are relevant, and the ones that don't, they are slow (nauseam, hive mind) or inconsistent (storm) enough to not be broken.
But Gavin said Melira is not combo but a rock deck, which is something I don't understand too much since their primary win con is to combo, secondary attack step.
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Then the ban list come and all of us lost interest in modern. It just looked like Zoo and Storm hell from what the list gave us. Stoneforge Mystic, Jitte, Misstep, Hypergenesis and Clamp all seemed legit and fair. Everything else seemed like overkill and irrational fear (To us, but now knowing what I know from last year a lot more on the list makes sense. But it could still be A LOT smaller.)
Now it's mid 2012 and the list is even bigger. But, yeah, we were all really pissed we couldn't play our pet decks from standard/legacy. Three of those people are actually playing modern now (Myself included) and playing Affinity and Jund.
TL;DR: My expectations for modern are fluctuating with each passing ban list update. I can only imagine what stupidity they're going to ban next.
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the only bans that really surprised me were cloudpost and green sun's zenith however so far i think the banlist is pretty fair, and i foresee goyf probably hitting it soon.
basically i expect good things from modern, it feels like the most fun format right now because you aren't completely constrained when making a deck.
Current post- Grand Prix KC Modern Postmortem (7/7/13)
The only cards that should be on there for sure are jitte, skullclamp, hypergenesis, glimpse, the artifact lands, and cloudpost. Oh, and top of course. The chrome mox I think could go either way. I think all the others are either preemptive bans because they were the boogey man cards in some other format at some point, or they saw were consistently winning too much. Green Sun and nacatl are the most surprising bans. I think the only exceptions to this are the dredge cards because obviously dredge in this format would just be a pain in the ass.
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We can't get people to play Modern at the shop. We have scheduled dual events now so when the Modern events fail to get enough people we can get a draft going.
Modern is a good idea with a terrible implementation. Speculators jumping the prices through the roof doesn't help LGS's to get inventory up so people can get into the format with ease. With a poor global economy I just don't see people taking their already limited resources and spending it on cards that may or may not be legal. The ban list is really what hurt this format.
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how exactly are the eldrazi a problem?
All in all during play testing we figured most of the ban list out. We were really surprised GSZ wasnt on the original ban list due to the ability to play mono green and fetch up some very powerful multicolored cards.
Still surprised at the high level of the power of the format. I figured they would have nerfed it a bit more by now.
You should really take an economics course. Speculators are not what's jumping the prices. If they were, they would have fallen by now. An increase in demand leads to an increase in prices.
Current post- Grand Prix KC Modern Postmortem (7/7/13)
You should've listened in your economics course. Certain commodities do indeed have price fluctuation due to speculation. That's one of the reason Gas prices are the way they are. Oil happens to be on of those commodities. Magic cards may or may not be, but it sure looks like speculation plays a huge role in the pricing on certain cards.
I suppose I should give you a very recent example of why i think speculation plays a bigger role in MTG Card pricing than you think; Wolfir Silverheart. It was in a Top 8 deck as a singleton. Immediately after that tournament the price went from like 1.50 - 2.00 to 8.00. You mean to tell me, that on the sunday following that event, everyone purchased Wolfir Silverhearts until SCG and other online vendors gradually rose to price to meet the incoming demand? Because you'd be wrong. SCG saw the list and decided to price them at 8 dollars, regardless of the demand.
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And the card's likely going to crash hard. But that's not what is happening with cards like Hallowed Fountain, V. Clique and Mutavault. These aren't temporary price bumps. They're permanent moves. Who on earth would speculate on Hallowed Fountain right now anyway? It's almost certainly getting a reprint within a year and a half.
People like to blame "speculators" and stores like SCG for high prices, when its simply a function of limited supply and massive demand.
Current post- Grand Prix KC Modern Postmortem (7/7/13)
They did, however, speculate on it(Hallowed Fountain) when Modern was first announced, despite it only seeing play (now) in tier 2 decks. Just because no one's buying them or because they don't see very much play doesn't mean the price is going to drop; plenty of people are buying them to not warrant dropping them to 10 dollars(again). As for V. Clique, that happens to be one of the best creatures in Legacy (and ever printed if you ask me).
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It also sees play in Commander, cubes, and is from Dissension, a set with a very small print run due to both 3rd set syndrome AND Coldsnap being released shortly after. There's a reason in-demand cards from that set spike wildly. The player base has also expanded dramatically since the set, leading to a related increase in prices. Don't believe me? Look at the M10 duals. They were worth $2-3 each when M12 was being drafted, but they're now getting to the $5-6 range again, due to the influx of players (and M12 not being opened very much.) That's not speculation, that's how the world works.
I would also not classify Caw and Delver as T2.
edit: Here's a price history for Hallowed Fountain- if this was a mere boom/bust situation, we would have seen a crash after the boom. Instead, it came down slightly and settled into its new price point. At this point, the speculators are almost certainly out of the market. http://store.tcgplayer.com/Product.aspx?id=13875
Current post- Grand Prix KC Modern Postmortem (7/7/13)
Speculation has little to do with card prices, especially during PTQ season.
My expectations for Modern were met just fine. The only surprise for me was SDT being banned. That was a weird one for me.
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This I think is more a problem with him, and is something his friends have told me is common.
Current post- Grand Prix KC Modern Postmortem (7/7/13)
He really had no idea what he was going up against. I don't want to toot my own horn, but he didn't even know what the format was. I think he looked up the prices of his old Goyfs and threw them in because they were worth so much and/or green. His deck was trying to ramp hard into one big Fireball, so I just either killed him first, outlived his Fireball, or countered his singleton Fireball. I think the Goyf was mostly defensive? But he got defensive himself when I suggested Wall of Roots or Wall of Blossoms or Overgrown Battlement if he was worried about defense and also wanted to ramp, so whatever. He mostly seemed mad that his strategy wasn't viable, and didn't want to change it. So dumb.
Then why do you play modern at all? There is nothing wrong with having qualms with the banlist, but every format is going to have an imperfect banlist due to the fact that what should and shouldn't be banned can be very subjective. That doesn't mean that there isn't an acceptable and unacceptable power level range when it comes to banning. But if you hate it so much, why play?
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RWG Pod Combo
URSplinter Twin
URStorm
RBurn
About this thread's topic, I wanted to play a nonrotating format that didn't cost as much as legacy, and if it was gonna be like old extended, even better. Also getting rid of the interaction between combo and fow was pretty important to be able to play nonblue, noncombo decks.
Other people got into modern so they could play their pet decks and pet cards again and hope to win without putting much thought into what they were playing. These people got pissed they couldn't win off the back of a stoneforge mystic saving the day, or getting a good matchup where they could just play hypergenesis and win without an opponent having any disruption. To be honest, I'm glad people like this aren't playing modern that much, since they're generally not that good players, generally don't know how to properly tune a deck or analyze what is or isn't good, and are more often than not, the type of player who isn't a good sport. I know that's a blanket statement, but at least to some degree, it's true.
Haha and draw-goers too. Here is an example, at 1:15 he describes it perfectly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or5co57LlDk
I don't even mind draw go, but most people were silly when modern started, and looked at a VERY narrow list of cards and saw 1 card banned and said "i'm out".
It's pretty telling that it took a good 6 + months for people realize vedalken shackles was in fact really really good, or that Tron was playable.
Heck, recently it's been taking people a while to realize that Zoo is still a deck, even without Nacatl.
At PT Philadelphia, so many people were hung up on 12post or Zoo, that it made it glaringly obvious that Storm Combo and Splinter Twin could just wreck a field of those decks as they had very little way to race or stop them from going off. Not saying 12post shouldn't have been banned, but if more people would have realized that maybe 12post DID have some awful matchups, they wouldn't have been in such a bad spot for the tournament.
Modern is so creature-centric that almost anything your opponent plays on their following turn doesn't really matter.
About combo, they work mostly with creatures (twin, melira), so removal spells are relevant, and the ones that don't, they are slow (nauseam, hive mind) or inconsistent (storm) enough to not be broken.
But Gavin said Melira is not combo but a rock deck, which is something I don't understand too much since their primary win con is to combo, secondary attack step.