With a little bit of tweaking is it possible to run a U/R deck with Arid Mesa? If I need to do some investing I'd rather not spend the $10 premium on Scalding Tarn.
Edit: I'd being using either to fetch at least Steam Vents, but I suppose I could splash Hallowed Fountain and Foundry.
Your really that concerned with spending the extra ten bucks per:( fetch? In all honesty if your runnin steam vets your most likely running island too which means you should most def be getting scalding a at some point as arid Mesa and scalding tarn are found together in a lot of the top lists nowadays.
If money is an issue, get te mesas then wok on tarns ASAP, it will be bennificalto own then anyways in the long run.
What deck are you playing btw that also makes a difference.
If you have Mesa's I wouldn't worry about it for now, if you don't have them, I'd get the right land. Try to get a sale or something to save rather than gimp your deck.
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Your really that concerned with spending the extra ten bucks per:( fetch? In all honesty if your runnin steam vets your most likely running island too which means you should most def be getting scalding a at some point as arid Mesa and scalding tarn are found together in a lot of the top lists nowadays.
If money is an issue, get te mesas then wok on tarns ASAP, it will be bennificalto own then anyways in the long run.
What deck are you playing btw that also makes a difference.
It's 40 bucks or a day's work part time. Money isn't something that grows on trees. That said I'd just not get either. I'd prefer to slowly accrue tarns one at a time then buy the mesas and run a suboptimal list. Patience is important.
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It's 40 bucks or a day's work part time. Money isn't something that grows on trees. That said I'd just not get either. I'd prefer to slowly accrue tarns one at a time then buy the mesas and run a suboptimal list. Patience is important.
I would absolutely advise against this. You may find 40$ steep, but do what you can in order to accumulate the fetchlands now. They will only increase in price by next season. Do not believe anyone who claims that they will lower in price, Ben Bleweiss has been reported to be buying out all the fetchlands from multiple stores. This means SCG is buying out the lands during Standard PTQ season.
Trade in parts of your collection to get the lands you need, get another part time job, stop going to the bar some weekends or find another method of collecting some funds.
The fetchlands won't be in Modern Masters and we can be all but certain that if they're printed in a Standard set, they won't be printed until the block after Theros because I doubt Wizards of the Coast wants the shocklands and fetchlands to be simultaneously legal in Standard. Maybe, maybe they'd be in Magic 2015 so they can have a few months where there's simultaneous legality for fun, but even that's highly unlikely.
They might make it into Modern Masters 2 if there's another, but such a set likely wouldn't be out until a year after the first, so again, we're not going to see new fetchlands printed anytime soon. So their price is unlikely to go down in the next year or two.
I went and picked one up with some store cred I had at Channel Fireball. Should I just keep my eyes peeled on Ebay or something for good deals for the rest of them?
Ya, keep looking at eBay and stores for deals, go Mesa if you need to then trade extra junk for tarns when possible, I know the feeling of getting things slowly as doing it myself, tho I'm very patient, preferring to collect foils of things I need and pick up stuff at decent prices, I am going to be grabbing my 2 needed mesas in the next couple weeks myself
If you want your decks to be the best they can be, then yes. Fetchlands are what make shocklands significantly better than duals without basic land types. Start with just the ones you need for a certain deck, then slowly acquire them over time if you're on a budget.
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You might get away without any fetchlands if you're brewing dual color decks, but anything 3 colors and up will definitely need fetchlands to hit the right colors consistently. People play an upwards of 8 Fetches regularly.
2 color maybe not 3 color yes and I think rdw also wants them. But if your brewing your own I don't think your running rdw. It's not a simple yes or no depends on the deck.
Given the number of dual lands available, and most likely depending on the color combination you choose. For 2 color decks, the difference between your deck and a deck with fetchlands will be hardly noticeable.
You can make do without fetches in 2-color decks. If you make sure the majority of lands in your deck are able to produce both colors, you'll have very little mana problems. Just replace the fetches with shock/pain/checklands - after all, most of the time, the function of a fetch is to tutor out a shock anyway.
If you want to squeeze every possible advantage (i.e. you're planning to play a serious tournament), there is no substitute for fetches.
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Do you need fetches? no. Does it make your deck more concistant, yes. is it the most effective way to get colored mana, yes.
I'd get tarn in a little while first. I don't think it will really drop in price, but in a week, modern hype will be completely over. Tarn will go up first, mainly because it has island in the name, and blue mages generally pay more for cards then red/white mages do. That being said, arid mesa will be cheaper longer.
I am playing budget MeliraPod(which is GBW) without fetches.
But 1) manadorks fixes me
2) There are no intensive color requirements
3) A lot of stuff can be played through Birthing Pod
My friend does that with his pod deck at fmn, and I realized he relies on them for mana fixing, so I regularly kill all his dorks (I'm playing zoo) and he can't cast his splash cards/kiki, so I win. It's unfair, but since he didnt buy fetches, I use his weak base against him.
With a little bit of tweaking is it possible to run a U/R deck with Arid Mesa? If I need to do some investing I'd rather not spend the $10 premium on Scalding Tarn.
Edit: I'd being using either to fetch at least Steam Vents, but I suppose I could splash Hallowed Fountain and Foundry.
The only time Scalding Tarn is going to have an advantage over Arid Mesa in your deck is when you're being Blood Moon'ed or can't afford the two life in a situation where you need an Untapped Island at that exact moment in time. I'm willing to bet that given you only have a two color deck, depending on card choices, you'll probably be fine.
I would however suggest that you and everyone pick up as many fetch lands as you can.
They'll likely rise to the same 80$ levels as ONS Fetches in the next year or so in the same fashion the ONS Fetches rose during the Legacy boom.
As to the main topic of the thread, I wouldn't break the bank for fetches given the situation. But I would definitely make them a high priority when you do have the cash.
If you don't need the Mesas, you might want to sell these and then get the Tarns. You'll lose a little money, but at least you'll be utilizing them. Once they inevitably rise in price more you won't even notice the difference!
The fetchlands won't be in Modern Masters and we can be all but certain that if they're printed in a Standard set, they won't be printed until the block after Theros because I doubt Wizards of the Coast wants the shocklands and fetchlands to be simultaneously legal in Standard. Maybe, maybe they'd be in Magic 2015 so they can have a few months where there's simultaneous legality for fun, but even that's highly unlikely.
They might make it into Modern Masters 2 if there's another, but such a set likely wouldn't be out until a year after the first, so again, we're not going to see new fetchlands printed anytime soon. So their price is unlikely to go down in the next year or two.
It's also far more likely that they would reprint the Allied fetch lands in a standard set than the enemy ones.
Some wizards article writers have stated multiple times that they don't like how it's easier to build an enemy colored deck than an allied one right now.
It's also far more likely that they would reprint the Allied fetch lands in a standard set than the enemy ones.
Some wizards article writers have stated multiple times that they don't like how it's easier to build an enemy colored deck than an allied one right now.
Unless for some reason they don't want to add them to Modern, allied fetchlands are more likely to get the reprint because (1) they're older, and (2) they're not in Modern, which results in, as you said, it being easier to make enemy-colored decks.
Of course, it's entirely possible they'll put the enemy and allied fetchlands in a set. (or a block--I don't think they'd put all 10 in just one set, but maybe one block could have them all)
It's also far more likely that they would reprint the Allied fetch lands in a standard set than the enemy ones.
Some wizards article writers have stated multiple times that they don't like how it's easier to build an enemy colored deck than an allied one right now.
I'd be surprised if the allied fetches were reprinted just because that would mean 10 fetches available for modern. But I've been wrong before.
Edit: I'd being using either to fetch at least Steam Vents, but I suppose I could splash Hallowed Fountain and Foundry.
If money is an issue, get te mesas then wok on tarns ASAP, it will be bennificalto own then anyways in the long run.
What deck are you playing btw that also makes a difference.
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And yeah, I am kind of on a budget, it also seems easier (in my mind) to drop $20 on a land compared to 30 (being a college student and all).
It's 40 bucks or a day's work part time. Money isn't something that grows on trees. That said I'd just not get either. I'd prefer to slowly accrue tarns one at a time then buy the mesas and run a suboptimal list. Patience is important.
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I would absolutely advise against this. You may find 40$ steep, but do what you can in order to accumulate the fetchlands now. They will only increase in price by next season. Do not believe anyone who claims that they will lower in price, Ben Bleweiss has been reported to be buying out all the fetchlands from multiple stores. This means SCG is buying out the lands during Standard PTQ season.
Trade in parts of your collection to get the lands you need, get another part time job, stop going to the bar some weekends or find another method of collecting some funds.
They might make it into Modern Masters 2 if there's another, but such a set likely wouldn't be out until a year after the first, so again, we're not going to see new fetchlands printed anytime soon. So their price is unlikely to go down in the next year or two.
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If you want to squeeze every possible advantage (i.e. you're planning to play a serious tournament), there is no substitute for fetches.
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But 1) manadorks fixes me
2) There are no intensive color requirements
3) A lot of stuff can be played through Birthing Pod
I'd get tarn in a little while first. I don't think it will really drop in price, but in a week, modern hype will be completely over. Tarn will go up first, mainly because it has island in the name, and blue mages generally pay more for cards then red/white mages do. That being said, arid mesa will be cheaper longer.
My friend does that with his pod deck at fmn, and I realized he relies on them for mana fixing, so I regularly kill all his dorks (I'm playing zoo) and he can't cast his splash cards/kiki, so I win. It's unfair, but since he didnt buy fetches, I use his weak base against him.
The only time Scalding Tarn is going to have an advantage over Arid Mesa in your deck is when you're being Blood Moon'ed or can't afford the two life in a situation where you need an Untapped Island at that exact moment in time. I'm willing to bet that given you only have a two color deck, depending on card choices, you'll probably be fine.
I would however suggest that you and everyone pick up as many fetch lands as you can.
They'll likely rise to the same 80$ levels as ONS Fetches in the next year or so in the same fashion the ONS Fetches rose during the Legacy boom.
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3 Buddy lands, 4 shocks and 3 fetches are going to be better than fetches that have to grab a shock.
This is really great, thanks for posting it!
As to the main topic of the thread, I wouldn't break the bank for fetches given the situation. But I would definitely make them a high priority when you do have the cash.
If you don't need the Mesas, you might want to sell these and then get the Tarns. You'll lose a little money, but at least you'll be utilizing them. Once they inevitably rise in price more you won't even notice the difference!
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It's also far more likely that they would reprint the Allied fetch lands in a standard set than the enemy ones.
Some wizards article writers have stated multiple times that they don't like how it's easier to build an enemy colored deck than an allied one right now.
Of course, it's entirely possible they'll put the enemy and allied fetchlands in a set. (or a block--I don't think they'd put all 10 in just one set, but maybe one block could have them all)
I'd be surprised if the allied fetches were reprinted just because that would mean 10 fetches available for modern. But I've been wrong before.
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