Why would you run Squadron Hawk in WB Tokens? It has been a while since I was following the archetype, but it was never part of any of my lists. I think the deck is fine for what it's supposed to do, but the MSRP should have been about $50. Yea, there is more value than that in the deck but a lot of it is filler that really doesn't count and I really don't think that the deck would have been a big spec target even at that price. I will say that the one card that would have made me really happy would have been a couple of Auriok Champion in the SB, but other than that the deck is about what I expected. I did have a small hope for a singleton Fetid Heath, but I am beginning to think that filters may be the next reprint for modern so it would be a bit silly.
I'm not sure I would even want a full set of Path or IoK in WB tokens anyway since the deck is generally played out as the beat-down in most match-ups and I'd rather have token cards. The deck is aimed at people thinking about entering the format, and those people for the most part are going to be Standard players- a lot of whom probably already have some number of Godless Shrine since it has been a staple for a while. The deck is not aimed at someone who plays casually or is new to the game because that person is not the target audience for incoming Modern players.
At my LGS I see a large amount of legacy players, and an equal amount of standard players. Both groups dont see a good reason to join modern. The standard group does want to play against Birthing pod, Twin, or Delver again, and the legacy players would rather play their legacy decks and winwell before turn 4. Its a perspective thing.
I missed last week but the 2 weeks before that our Standard didn't fire where as our Modern event did. I understand that Modern and Legacy are both non-rotating but I think it is disingenuous to compare Modern to Legacy. Start comparing Modern to Standard and I think you'll be closer to WotC's intent for Modern. And having just said that, don't use the Modern Event Deck as any sort of argument for the current state of Modern. There are the competitive players and then there's everyone else (I'm looking at you Legacy Player...) Modern is an intersection of Competitive Players, Johnny Players, "Players that doesn't want to buy Duels", and "Older Players that don't want to keep up with Standard." If your store doesn't have this sort of cross-section, then Modern simply won't be popular.
Maybe this thread will change a bit now that Onslaught fetches were reprinted, lowering the cost of entry into the format.
In my experience with IRL players and on forums is that people are scared of eternal formats based mostly off speculation, not reality. That is why Modern is not popular at my store, an unreasonable fear of its cost of entry and an expectation that EVERY deck you'll play against in a Modern event will be tier 1. Instead of dropping $400 to switch from tier 1 Standard deck A, to tier 1 Standard deck B, to tier 1 Standard deck C over the course of 4 months, put $200 into Modern staples. Instead of buying another booster box of the inevitably $%#&ty small winter/spring set, put that $100 into Modern staples, or whatever the recent eternal-playable reprint was and start trading up.
Side note: Legacy is not a turn 1 kill format; it's rarely a turn 2 or even turn 3 format. The most popular decks are all Delver decks or Stoneforge decks. 3-5 damage a turn, and you can block. Even if you play against Show 'n Tell, your opponent has to have the nuts to win that quickly. If your opponent draws the nuts in Standard you're going to lose quickly too. Again, unreasonable fear based on speculation.
Modern is expensive, if you want to play a tier 1 deck, but you don't have to play a tier 1 deck. Those tier 1 decks stumble and you can beat them. Are you going to top 8 22-player Modern events playing Death Cloud or Soul Sisters? No. But by playing the metagame, you can see why the top decks are good and start saving or trading for Standard cards that will be Modern playable or are reprints. I get that the game is the most fun when you're winning store credit, but isn't playing fun? Isn't learning the ins and outs of another format fun?
I've found deckbox.org and other online trading sites to be a great resource to trade unwanted/unused cards into Modern cards. It helps reduce the inbred nature of IRL trading too.
Maybe this thread will change a bit now that Onslaught fetches were reprinted, lowering the cost of entry into the format.
The best thing to ever happen to Modern. I still think the Zendikar ones are a little too high. Legacy decks run small amount of lands, some even run 16. Where Modern is a lot more like standard where its anywhere from 18-25. That means usually you need at least 2 full play sets of fetches in your deck, and usually a little more, plus the shocks.
In my experience with IRL players and on forums is that people are scared of eternal formats based mostly off speculation, not reality. That is why Modern is not popular at my store, an unreasonable fear of its cost of entry and an expectation that EVERY deck you'll play against in a Modern event will be tier 1. Instead of dropping $400 to switch from tier 1 Standard deck A, to tier 1 Standard deck B, to tier 1 Standard deck C over the course of 4 months, put $200 into Modern staples. Instead of buying another booster box of the inevitably $%#&ty small winter/spring set, put that $100 into Modern staples, or whatever the recent eternal-playable reprint was and start trading up.
Side note: Legacy is not a turn 1 kill format; it's rarely a turn 2 or even turn 3 format. The most popular decks are all Delver decks or Stoneforge decks. 3-5 damage a turn, and you can block. Even if you play against Show 'n Tell, your opponent has to have the nuts to win that quickly. If your opponent draws the nuts in Standard you're going to lose quickly too. Again, unreasonable fear based on speculation.
Modern is expensive, if you want to play a tier 1 deck, but you don't have to play a tier 1 deck. Those tier 1 decks stumble and you can beat them. Are you going to top 8 22-player Modern events playing Death Cloud or Soul Sisters? No. But by playing the metagame, you can see why the top decks are good and start saving or trading for Standard cards that will be Modern playable or are reprints. I get that the game is the most fun when you're winning store credit, but isn't playing fun? Isn't learning the ins and outs of another format fun?
I've found deckbox.org and other online trading sites to be a great resource to trade unwanted/unused cards into Modern cards. It helps reduce the inbred nature of IRL trading too.
Price is still just a huge problem. Whats the point of building a non tier 1-2 deck? You spend all this money on a deck that just loses. Imo Modern is too much of the middle man. Old school players thats been playing for a while will play legacy, and the newer ones will play standard. Most players play standard and want to play other ones but dont want to spend the money.
There's two ways people look at it. Lets say you have $800 to spend on MTG:
This money can buy me a tier one Modern deck or a couple decks for standard
1. I can spend this money on Standard cards I need. Standard is the most popular format, there's more tournaments, and higher prize pools. Overall gain more cards, which means possibility for more decks. The meta changes all the time since new sets come out, and its better to spend or save this money so i can stay competitive in Standard
2. I can grab the Modern cards. Modern is less popular, but these cards I will have for a long time, and dont have to worry about the meta changing so much that these cards will be come un playable, unlike standard where a card can be $20 then be $1 post rotation.
I currently am #2 since i just dont like Standard. I hate the fact that the prices are so high while in standard then so low post rotation. I also just like eternal formats much better when it comes to gameplay wise. There's some much pros and cons of each of the 3 formats, that I still go back and forth. I'm casually in Standard, but dont see myself going full competitive in standard like how I was 2 years ago when I started playing based on gameplay, not price
We only have Modern FNM tournaments - 5 rounds every Friday (about 25-30 people). Standard events are on Sundays with about half as many players attending. I was pretty surprised when I first heard about it.
In my experience with IRL players and on forums is that people are scared of eternal formats based mostly off speculation, not reality. That is why Modern is not popular at my store, an unreasonable fear of its cost of entry and an expectation that EVERY deck you'll play against in a Modern event will be tier 1.
I think a lot of that has to do with people thinking that Modern is expensive, which to a certain degree is true. When people who are not familiar with the format hear the mentioning of Modern, they instinctively think of Goyf, Bob, Clique, Snappy, Lililana, etc. The word needs to get out there that you can build a decent competitive deck without these cards. Some of those decks include Burn, Infect, Mono-U Tron, Soul Sisters, and Small Zoo (can hold its own without goyf).
Now that the Onslaught fetches are in, many standard only players are now trying out a few different modern builds at my LGS. I'm actually seeing a lot of Zoo right now (sans Goyf). Many still complain when a Goyf, Liliana, Splinter Twin or Karn comes down, but many are getting the hang of Modern.
At the LGS I go to, Modern took a dip in popularity for a few weeks, but is back to the 25-35 people for FNM Modern. A lot of Burn, Delver, and Zoo. Pod, Twin, and BGx decks are dead locally. Saw a couple a few weeks ago but people learned pretty quick what to play if they want to be competitive, at least on the local level.
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I'm not sure I would even want a full set of Path or IoK in WB tokens anyway since the deck is generally played out as the beat-down in most match-ups and I'd rather have token cards. The deck is aimed at people thinking about entering the format, and those people for the most part are going to be Standard players- a lot of whom probably already have some number of Godless Shrine since it has been a staple for a while. The deck is not aimed at someone who plays casually or is new to the game because that person is not the target audience for incoming Modern players.
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In my experience with IRL players and on forums is that people are scared of eternal formats based mostly off speculation, not reality. That is why Modern is not popular at my store, an unreasonable fear of its cost of entry and an expectation that EVERY deck you'll play against in a Modern event will be tier 1. Instead of dropping $400 to switch from tier 1 Standard deck A, to tier 1 Standard deck B, to tier 1 Standard deck C over the course of 4 months, put $200 into Modern staples. Instead of buying another booster box of the inevitably $%#&ty small winter/spring set, put that $100 into Modern staples, or whatever the recent eternal-playable reprint was and start trading up.
Side note: Legacy is not a turn 1 kill format; it's rarely a turn 2 or even turn 3 format. The most popular decks are all Delver decks or Stoneforge decks. 3-5 damage a turn, and you can block. Even if you play against Show 'n Tell, your opponent has to have the nuts to win that quickly. If your opponent draws the nuts in Standard you're going to lose quickly too. Again, unreasonable fear based on speculation.
Modern is expensive, if you want to play a tier 1 deck, but you don't have to play a tier 1 deck. Those tier 1 decks stumble and you can beat them. Are you going to top 8 22-player Modern events playing Death Cloud or Soul Sisters? No. But by playing the metagame, you can see why the top decks are good and start saving or trading for Standard cards that will be Modern playable or are reprints. I get that the game is the most fun when you're winning store credit, but isn't playing fun? Isn't learning the ins and outs of another format fun?
I've found deckbox.org and other online trading sites to be a great resource to trade unwanted/unused cards into Modern cards. It helps reduce the inbred nature of IRL trading too.
The best thing to ever happen to Modern. I still think the Zendikar ones are a little too high. Legacy decks run small amount of lands, some even run 16. Where Modern is a lot more like standard where its anywhere from 18-25. That means usually you need at least 2 full play sets of fetches in your deck, and usually a little more, plus the shocks.
Price is still just a huge problem. Whats the point of building a non tier 1-2 deck? You spend all this money on a deck that just loses. Imo Modern is too much of the middle man. Old school players thats been playing for a while will play legacy, and the newer ones will play standard. Most players play standard and want to play other ones but dont want to spend the money.
There's two ways people look at it. Lets say you have $800 to spend on MTG:
This money can buy me a tier one Modern deck or a couple decks for standard
1. I can spend this money on Standard cards I need. Standard is the most popular format, there's more tournaments, and higher prize pools. Overall gain more cards, which means possibility for more decks. The meta changes all the time since new sets come out, and its better to spend or save this money so i can stay competitive in Standard
2. I can grab the Modern cards. Modern is less popular, but these cards I will have for a long time, and dont have to worry about the meta changing so much that these cards will be come un playable, unlike standard where a card can be $20 then be $1 post rotation.
I currently am #2 since i just dont like Standard. I hate the fact that the prices are so high while in standard then so low post rotation. I also just like eternal formats much better when it comes to gameplay wise. There's some much pros and cons of each of the 3 formats, that I still go back and forth. I'm casually in Standard, but dont see myself going full competitive in standard like how I was 2 years ago when I started playing based on gameplay, not price
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