I actually think there's a strong argument for it being the best 1-drop creature in any color. From what I can tell, it's the most played 1-drop creature in Modern, Legacy, and even Vintage.
I love the unbanning but banning DRS was the wrong move. Wizards has put a very strong nail in the coffin that is the faith and stability of the Modern format. If a card as "innocent" as Deathrite is banned for merely being good where does it end? Will Pod be next even though it isn't dominating? What about Lightning Bolt once Zoo picks up in popularity? Where is the line in the sand because banning Deathrite has set a very dangerous new precedent. They are basically saying if a deck is simply good they will ban a card from it. They already started this with the Storm and now they have cemented this trend with Deathrite.
They are essencially doing exactly what you are not supposed to do with a banlist, which is use it to tailor a format rather than be a stopgap to prevent from degenrating. Another game does this too, Yugioh, and you can see just how big and ridiculous the banlist is. That is the road WotC is paving.
Speaking of WotC, they're description of why the banned DRS is a bloody joke. They basically say, and this is paraphrasing of course, that they DRS is a mana dork that does other stuff too... Oh really? I never would have guessed by RTFC. Or how about the other reason, that it allowed the BGx Midrange decks to trade 1-for-1 efficiently... seriously? As if a deck could trade 1-for-1 in an inefficient manor. What do you think 1-for-1 means?
All in all, the banning of Deathrite might have a immediate positive impact on the format but is going to overall damage the format in ways other than the card table. There is a reason Modern struggles to be widely supported where as formats like Standard and Legacy flourish. Stability. And by banning cards that are not direct threats onto the formats health you are only furthering destabilizing the format. People's trust in the format will continue to wane, and if it continues we are going to be left with Extended all over again.
This actually sums up my feels on the DRS ban in a nutshell Koopa. It's going to be a short term gain with a long term loss.
Delver has something to say about best one drop. But DRS was some serious value and I'm glad it got banned. Now all they need to do is unban some blue card. If Nacatl and Faeries end up pushing UWR Control out of the format it's going to be really clear to Wizards what needs to happen.
On another note I was 3/4 in my predictions. The only card I got wrong was Preordain coming off. I do still feel like blue is going to need something.
I really hope I'm wrong, but they just exchanged our overlords, replacing Jund with Zoo.
If you think your graveyard decks are safe now think again because zoo is gonna play 2-3 oozes maindeck.
Now that the deck I despise the most, UWR lame-go doesn't have to deal anymore with liliana of the veil, it only has to deal with nacatls with lightning bolts and lightning helixes all day. I think the format will be a Zoo vs UWR fest.
Now, the deck I was playing the most, burn (since I don't want to spend so much on goyfs, thanks wizards for not reprinting it, I'm sure you'll reprint BB ASAP before Goyf now) will get shafted. I can kiss burn goodbye, now having to deal with the two top decks zoo and UWR which both pack the full set of lightning gaylixes maindeck.
Oh, and saying that Deathrite was deserving of a ban because "It is the best X" is idiotic. There will always be a best X; best deck, best burn spell, best one drop... but that does not make it something worth banning. Modern is supposed to be a powerful format, when you include sets from the past 10 years cards are going to push boundaries.
I love the unbanning but banning DRS was the wrong move. Wizards has put a very strong nail in the coffin that is the faith and stability of the Modern format. If a card as "innocent" as Deathrite is banned for merely being good where does it end? Will Pod be next even though it isn't dominating? What about Lightning Bolt once Zoo picks up in popularity? Where is the line in the sand because banning Deathrite has set a very dangerous new precedent. They are basically saying if a deck is simply good they will ban a card from it. They already started this with the Storm and now they have cemented this trend with Deathrite.
They are essencially doing exactly what you are not supposed to do with a banlist, which is use it to tailor a format rather than be a stopgap to prevent from degenrating. Another game does this too, Yugioh, and you can see just how big and ridiculous the banlist is. That is the road WotC is paving.
Speaking of WotC, they're description of why the banned DRS is a bloody joke. They basically say, and this is paraphrasing of course, that they DRS is a mana dork that does other stuff too... Oh really? I never would have guessed by RTFC. Or how about the other reason, that it allowed the BGx Midrange decks to trade 1-for-1 efficiently... seriously? As if a deck could trade 1-for-1 in an inefficient manor. What do you think 1-for-1 means?
All in all, the banning of Deathrite might have a immediate positive impact on the format but is going to overall damage the format in ways other than the card table. There is a reason Modern struggles to be widely supported where as formats like Standard and Legacy flourish. Stability. And by banning cards that are not direct threats onto the formats health you are only furthering destabilizing the format. People's trust in the format will continue to wane, and if it continues we are going to be left with Extended all over again.
You are right about this. But I don't think that they could have exactly said "Faeries with Bitterblossom and Deathrite Shaman would be too strong so we banned DRS" or "We are planning to unban Bloodbraid Elf sooner or later so we needed to ban DRS."
All in all, the banning of Deathrite might have a immediate positive impact on the format but is going to overall damage the format in ways other than the card table. There is a reason Modern struggles to be widely supported where as formats like Standard and Legacy flourish. Stability. And by banning cards that are not direct threats onto the formats health you are only furthering destabilizing the format. People's trust in the format will continue to wane, and if it continues we are going to be left with Extended all over again.
??? The lack of stability in Standards is the entire reason I play Modern.
I really hope I'm wrong, but they just exchanged our overlords, replacing Jund with Zoo.
If you think your graveyard decks are safe now think again because zoo is gonna play 2-3 oozes maindeck.
Now that the deck I despise the most, UWR lame-go doesn't have to deal anymore with liliana of the veil, it only has to deal with nacatls with lightning bolts and lightning helixes all day. I think the format will be a Zoo vs UWR fest.
Now, the deck I was playing the most, burn (since I don't want to spend so much on goyfs, thanks wizards for not reprinting it, I'm sure you'll reprint BB ASAP before Goyf now) will get shafted. I can kiss burn goodbye, now having to deal with the two top decks zoo and UWR which both pack the full set of lightning gaylixes maindeck.
At least I bought 8 BB's at 4.5 tix each which should give me some money, but since I won't be able to play zoo and despies uwr lamego, I don't think I'll be able to play the format.
Why not? It gets the point across. Saying that DRS is the best B one drop ever is a really naive statement and speaks volumes of your experience with the game as a whole, not just Modern.
The point is that Nacatl is probably going to replace him as the best G one drop in the format. Whether you consider him green, black, or both is irrelevant.
although I think the others in this thread have already spoken up for me, I would like to point out that even mono black decks (as casual as they may have been) always tried to included drs, but mono green usually looked to cut him for a different mana dork or for the much better scavenging ooze. Point is, without running black, drs was a questionable inclusion at best. But when you ran black he was a must have, so although he is actually b/g, experienced players will tell you he is much more of a black card than a green one.
First they came for seething song and I did not speak out because I was not a storm player. Then they came for deathrite shaman, and I did not speak out, because I was not a Jund player. Then they came for Snapcaster Mage, but I did not speak out, because I was not a U player. Then they came for my deck, and there was no one left to speak out for me. But screw eggs because no one liked that deck anyway.
??? The lack of stability in Standards is the entire reason I play Modern.
I am incredibly confused on how you think Standard is unstable. It is rotating yes, but it does not do so randomly. You know when cards are going to leave and lose value and when cards are going to become front runners and gain value. If anything, Standard is the most stable format. There are ever any "emergency bans" and when there are it is painfully obvious (CawBlade).
although I think the others in this thread have already spoken up for me, I would like to point out that even mono black decks (as casual as they may have been) always tried to included drs, but mono green usually looked to cut him for a different mana dork or for the much better scavenging ooze. Point is, without running black, drs was a questionable inclusion at best. But when you ran black he was a must have, so although he is actually b/g, experienced players will tell you he is much more of a black card than a green one.
While this is true, most decks that ran DRS had a green shockland in there as well.
although I think the others in this thread have already spoken up for me, I would like to point out that even mono black decks (as casual as they may have been) always tried to included drs, but mono green usually looked to cut him for a different mana dork or for the much better scavenging ooze. Point is, without running black, drs was a questionable inclusion at best. But when you ran black he was a must have, so although he is actually b/g, experienced players will tell you he is much more of a black card than a green one.
If you can name one competitive deck that played DRS that was black but not green I will give you a dollar.
I also guess I should be clear on one thing, I do think DRS is a poorly designed card and a blatant color pie offender. That said, when you decide you want a non-rotating format you have to roll with some punches. You can't just have a knee-jerk reaction to every card that is good.
If you can name one competitive deck that played DRS that was black but not green I will give you a dollar.
I'll probably never earn that dollar lol. But you can't show me a green deck that ran him without black either, and that, was my point in the first place.
First they came for seething song and I did not speak out because I was not a storm player. Then they came for deathrite shaman, and I did not speak out, because I was not a Jund player. Then they came for Snapcaster Mage, but I did not speak out, because I was not a U player. Then they came for my deck, and there was no one left to speak out for me. But screw eggs because no one liked that deck anyway.
Well, that's a bomb to drop right before a PT.
Nacatl and blossom enable at least 2 strong decks and DRS abscence powers up God knows how many other strategies.
I also guess I should be clear on one thing, I do think DRS is a poorly designed card and a blatant color pie offender. That said, when you decide you want a non-rotating format you have to roll with some punches. You can't just have a knee-jerk reaction to every card that is good.
How is it a color pie offender? Black and green are the most graveyard centric colors, and green is the most likely to care about lands and mana production. Where else would DRS go?
How is it a color pie offender? Black and green are the most graveyard centric colors, and green is the most likely to care about lands and mana production. Where else would DRS go?
The card is green AND black but the single hybrid mana makes DRS green OR black. Decks that would normally not get acceleration (black, non green decks) suddenly did.
If Deathrite had costed G and then had a black ability that would have been fine but the fact I can play Deathrite in a deck with 24 Swamp is a design error.
Some people talking about improvement on grave based strategies forget that scooze can exile any card on graves...
Now that DRS is banned, Scooze will become a 4 of in many decks that run it as a 2 of along with DRS.
I am shocked by the ban of deathrite... but not angry.
I seriously played against 5 colour Jund last night... because deathrite could fix for them.
I thought Modern burn played him without green so they could deal the 2 damage easier than if it were grim lavamancer.
I played Deathrite.. I have two. But Deathrite reenforced the whole formats reliance on fetch lands. For someone like me that only has deathrites becaue I opened a Sword whille drafting modern masters I don't have the $40 to spend on each fetchland. I could for example use the ex standard shocks and checks mana base to build a deck with only small disadvantages except that makes my deathrites worse.
The ban list in general is a tricky area for modern, as I mentioned ealier I'd like to play with seething song, preordian, ponder and second sunrise, they allowed for interesting decks.. but also broke the rules or were annoying. However they still removed more cards from the list than they put on the list which is more than you can say about it recently and it gives hope that we will see more unbannings in the future.
I always find the banning of commons really odd, welcome back nacatl time to bring the pain.
All in all, the banning of Deathrite might have a immediate positive impact on the format but is going to overall damage the format in ways other than the card table. There is a reason Modern struggles to be widely supported where as formats like Standard and Legacy flourish.
Go play standard. Go play legacy. Legacy is not "flourishing" its being propped up by a business that promotes it.
Stability. And by banning cards that are not direct threats onto the formats health you are only furthering destabilizing the format. People's trust in the format will continue to wane, and if it continues we are going to be left with Extended all over again.
So you want a solved format? Trust? One card....one card that most intelligent people are aware it is at least the most efficient one drop ever printed got banned it not the strongest one ever. Its not like DRS was some minor player in the format.
I think most people might be annoyed but they have to be pretty naive not to understand it.
True.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
This actually sums up my feels on the DRS ban in a nutshell Koopa. It's going to be a short term gain with a long term loss.
On another note I was 3/4 in my predictions. The only card I got wrong was Preordain coming off. I do still feel like blue is going to need something.
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I really hope I'm wrong, but they just exchanged our overlords, replacing Jund with Zoo.
If you think your graveyard decks are safe now think again because zoo is gonna play 2-3 oozes maindeck.
Now that the deck I despise the most, UWR lame-go doesn't have to deal anymore with liliana of the veil, it only has to deal with nacatls with lightning bolts and lightning helixes all day. I think the format will be a Zoo vs UWR fest.
Now, the deck I was playing the most, burn (since I don't want to spend so much on goyfs, thanks wizards for not reprinting it, I'm sure you'll reprint BB ASAP before Goyf now) will get shafted. I can kiss burn goodbye, now having to deal with the two top decks zoo and UWR which both pack the full set of lightning gaylixes maindeck.
I hope I'm wrong though.
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You are right about this. But I don't think that they could have exactly said "Faeries with Bitterblossom and Deathrite Shaman would be too strong so we banned DRS" or "We are planning to unban Bloodbraid Elf sooner or later so we needed to ban DRS."
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
??? The lack of stability in Standards is the entire reason I play Modern.
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Don't worry. You are wrong.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
although I think the others in this thread have already spoken up for me, I would like to point out that even mono black decks (as casual as they may have been) always tried to included drs, but mono green usually looked to cut him for a different mana dork or for the much better scavenging ooze. Point is, without running black, drs was a questionable inclusion at best. But when you ran black he was a must have, so although he is actually b/g, experienced players will tell you he is much more of a black card than a green one.
I am incredibly confused on how you think Standard is unstable. It is rotating yes, but it does not do so randomly. You know when cards are going to leave and lose value and when cards are going to become front runners and gain value. If anything, Standard is the most stable format. There are ever any "emergency bans" and when there are it is painfully obvious (CawBlade).
Stability =/= Non-rotation.
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While this is true, most decks that ran DRS had a green shockland in there as well.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
If you can name one competitive deck that played DRS that was black but not green I will give you a dollar.
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Only 7 copies left below $100 on tcgplayer.
I'll probably never earn that dollar lol. But you can't show me a green deck that ran him without black either, and that, was my point in the first place.
None left at SCG.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Nacatl and blossom enable at least 2 strong decks and DRS abscence powers up God knows how many other strategies.
I think the deck that was going to hold it in check the best WAS Jund, but now that is going to go by the wayside...
Maybe I'll be wrong, but Nacatl gets in extra points of damage, and puts them back into white which means more burn and PtE...
How is it a color pie offender? Black and green are the most graveyard centric colors, and green is the most likely to care about lands and mana production. Where else would DRS go?
There still is combo. Zoo doesn't seem like it can easily beat that. Also, Delver seems reasonable against it and Merfolk can hold its own against it.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
The card is green AND black but the single hybrid mana makes DRS green OR black. Decks that would normally not get acceleration (black, non green decks) suddenly did.
If Deathrite had costed G and then had a black ability that would have been fine but the fact I can play Deathrite in a deck with 24 Swamp is a design error.
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Now that DRS is banned, Scooze will become a 4 of in many decks that run it as a 2 of along with DRS.
I seriously played against 5 colour Jund last night... because deathrite could fix for them.
I thought Modern burn played him without green so they could deal the 2 damage easier than if it were grim lavamancer.
I played Deathrite.. I have two. But Deathrite reenforced the whole formats reliance on fetch lands. For someone like me that only has deathrites becaue I opened a Sword whille drafting modern masters I don't have the $40 to spend on each fetchland. I could for example use the ex standard shocks and checks mana base to build a deck with only small disadvantages except that makes my deathrites worse.
The ban list in general is a tricky area for modern, as I mentioned ealier I'd like to play with seething song, preordian, ponder and second sunrise, they allowed for interesting decks.. but also broke the rules or were annoying. However they still removed more cards from the list than they put on the list which is more than you can say about it recently and it gives hope that we will see more unbannings in the future.
I always find the banning of commons really odd, welcome back nacatl time to bring the pain.
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Go play standard. Go play legacy. Legacy is not "flourishing" its being propped up by a business that promotes it.
So you want a solved format? Trust? One card....one card that most intelligent people are aware it is at least the most efficient one drop ever printed got banned it not the strongest one ever. Its not like DRS was some minor player in the format.
I think most people might be annoyed but they have to be pretty naive not to understand it.
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