Matthias currently talking about how his deck is super fast against decks unwilling/unable to interact with it (i.e. decks that aren't playing Spell Snare or Thoughtseize). INCOMING BAN AMULET TALK.
Just axe Spirit Guide and knock all the combo decks back a half turn. That's the only card I see an issue with atm.
They have to ban amulet, summer bloom, or hive mind because those are the cards that let the deck t2 win
Matthias currently talking about how his deck is super fast against decks unwilling/unable to interact with it (i.e. decks that aren't playing Spell Snare or Thoughtseize). INCOMING BAN AMULET TALK.
Just axe Spirit Guide and knock all the combo decks back a half turn. That's the only card I see an issue with atm.
They have to ban amulet, summer bloom, or hive mind because those are the cards that let the deck t2 win
The ban talk around these kinds of decks is intensely frustrating and is one of the most enduring problems with this format. Fast deck does well? Cry for its banning! This happened with Pump Infect, this happened with Griselbrand, and now it's happening with Amulet. Can we at least wait until the Pro Tour is over to start the customary witch hunt?
Matthias currently talking about how his deck is super fast against decks unwilling/unable to interact with it (i.e. decks that aren't playing Spell Snare or Thoughtseize). INCOMING BAN AMULET TALK.
Just axe Spirit Guide and knock all the combo decks back a half turn. That's the only card I see an issue with atm.
They have to ban amulet, summer bloom, or hive mind because those are the cards that let the deck t2 win
The ban talk around these kinds of decks is intensely frustrating and is one of the most enduring problems with this format. Fast deck does well? Cry for its banning! This happened with Pump Infect, this happened with Griselbrand, and now it's happening with Amulet. Can we at least wait until the Pro Tour is over to start the customary witch hunt?
I agree. People see T2 win and freak out, not understanding the inconsistency part of the equation. Same reason Griselbrand never T8ed. Won't bring up SSG again other than to say I've thought it a "background problem" for a while in enabling overly fast starts out of otherwise fine combo decks, and I'm not reacting to Amulet specifically when I say that I'd like it gone.
Anyone that has actually played test Zoo and Faeries would know that the traditional extended faeries list or small zoo aren't that great... Bitterblossom may have a spot in tier 1 not in faeries.
Why ban amulet when we still have SSG accelerating that deck? SSG is also used in some Grisel-Cannon and Living End lists mainly to accelerate those decks. I even saw Twin decks running them for a turn 4 Kiki Jiki. SSG should have been banned from the beginning of Modern together with Rite of Flame and Chrome Mox.
It is so weird to me that cards like amulet of vigor spike because they do well at a PT... People have 5-0d premier events with the deck for like a year before... the other difference i see in his list is SSG just to increase the brokenness slightly.
Its really just speculators and people who never play modern that spike the cards.
did anyone saw ari lax showing us why bitterblossom was banned?
I thought the comment was in regards to Ancestral Vision, not BB, but I could be wrong.
The Ancestral Vision comment was made by Gerry Thompson. I think he said something like "if Wizards of the Coast unbans Ancestral Vision, I'll make them regret it."
So can anyone give me a roundup of today's events? I left to go to FNM during round 5 or 6. How has modern changed? What cards are good now?
Michael Hetrick (who is playing Living End) is currently undefeated, Matthias Hunt (playing Bloom Titan/Amulet of Vigor combo) and Andrew Shrout (don't remember which deck he's playing) are doing well (both 7-1, I think), and a bunch of pros are currently sitting at 6-2 (Kibler, Finkel, Reid Duke, Alexander Hayne, Owen Turtenwald, Craig Wescoe). Finkel and Kai are playing Storm with Thought Scours.
There have been numerous Zoo sightings (both big and small), a Faeries deck was beaten by Storm on camera, and there is a UR deck called Blue Moon with main deck Blood Moons and a bunch of counters that has been performing really well.
Why ban amulet when we still have SSG accelerating that deck? SSG is also used in some Grisel-Cannon and Living End lists mainly to accelerate those decks. I even saw Twin decks running them for a turn 4 Kiki Jiki. SSG should have been banned from the beginning of Modern together with Rite of Flame and Chrome Mox.
Amulet of Vigor decks might be too fast, so you want to ban a card that isn't doing much and isn't used in Amulet decks? That makes no logical sense.
Why ban amulet when we still have SSG accelerating that deck? SSG is also used in some Grisel-Cannon and Living End lists mainly to accelerate those decks. I even saw Twin decks running them for a turn 4 Kiki Jiki. SSG should have been banned from the beginning of Modern together with Rite of Flame and Chrome Mox.
Amulet of Vigor decks might be too fast, so you want to ban a card that isn't doing much and isn't used in Amulet decks? That makes no logical sense.
It's being played in Matthias's build. Don't want to derail, so I'll post a writeup about the card in the banlist thread.
I'm curious what Blue Moon's plan for GR Tron is. I of course know that Blood Moon and Spreading Seas turn off Urzatron, but Blue Moon looks like such a slow deck that Tron can just wait to hit enough lands to hardcast its stuff.
I'm curious what Blue Moon's plan for GR Tron is. I of course know that Blood Moon and Spreading Seas turn off Urzatron, but Blue Moon looks like such a slow deck that Tron can just wait to hit enough lands to hardcast its stuff.
By that point, though, the Blue Moon player will also have drawn quite a few counterspells. With the exception of hard-casting Emrakul, the Tron player's threats will most likely just continue to get countered.
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It actually ignores cage.
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No, it doesn't, runs that clutch Ingot Chewer out of the side.
*EDIT* the deck runs Beast Within MD as well.
*EDIT 2* Answered, yeah I guess that could be for other Sb hate, the deck is very resilient.
They have to ban amulet, summer bloom, or hive mind because those are the cards that let the deck t2 win
What card do you most want to play with in Modern that isn't Modern legal?
"Give me Bitterblossom for one event and I'll show you why it is banned..."
Well, I'm still waiting...
The ban talk around these kinds of decks is intensely frustrating and is one of the most enduring problems with this format. Fast deck does well? Cry for its banning! This happened with Pump Infect, this happened with Griselbrand, and now it's happening with Amulet. Can we at least wait until the Pro Tour is over to start the customary witch hunt?
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I agree. People see T2 win and freak out, not understanding the inconsistency part of the equation. Same reason Griselbrand never T8ed. Won't bring up SSG again other than to say I've thought it a "background problem" for a while in enabling overly fast starts out of otherwise fine combo decks, and I'm not reacting to Amulet specifically when I say that I'd like it gone.
Current post- Grand Prix KC Modern Postmortem (7/7/13)
It is when the deck isn't that strong and won't break the format...
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Its really just speculators and people who never play modern that spike the cards.
Hopefully he does well so I can pitch a UW Control primer for Established based on the PT and that other tournament from a couple of days ago.
The Ancestral Vision comment was made by Gerry Thompson. I think he said something like "if Wizards of the Coast unbans Ancestral Vision, I'll make them regret it."
Michael Hetrick (who is playing Living End) is currently undefeated, Matthias Hunt (playing Bloom Titan/Amulet of Vigor combo) and Andrew Shrout (don't remember which deck he's playing) are doing well (both 7-1, I think), and a bunch of pros are currently sitting at 6-2 (Kibler, Finkel, Reid Duke, Alexander Hayne, Owen Turtenwald, Craig Wescoe). Finkel and Kai are playing Storm with Thought Scours.
There have been numerous Zoo sightings (both big and small), a Faeries deck was beaten by Storm on camera, and there is a UR deck called Blue Moon with main deck Blood Moons and a bunch of counters that has been performing really well.
Amulet of Vigor decks might be too fast, so you want to ban a card that isn't doing much and isn't used in Amulet decks? That makes no logical sense.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
It's being played in Matthias's build. Don't want to derail, so I'll post a writeup about the card in the banlist thread.
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By that point, though, the Blue Moon player will also have drawn quite a few counterspells. With the exception of hard-casting Emrakul, the Tron player's threats will most likely just continue to get countered.