Does anyone have results based on deck type? I'm looking to see how Bogles fared. I know they didn't make top16 but they only made up a small proportion of total decks. Anyone know how many Bogles made day 2 vs how many total Bogles entered???
Nope, and we probably won't ever. As interesting as it would be to have data on the Day 1 meta, they're not going to manually go over 4500 decklists just to satisfy your curiosity.
It's not just a single person's curiosity. It's extremely useful information for balancing the game between bans and printings(and potential rules changes).
As far as "manually go[ing] over 4500 decklists", it's not as difficult as you may think. There's a box on the registration sheet for deck archetype, the vast majority of people know what they're playing. It wouldn't take that much effort to go through those boxes and uptick the corresponding deck count.
And this is all assuming that they don't already have the data digitally recorded, which they probably do, since the bracket is run by a computer that has more than just names in it.
Lets put it this way...if I were SCG, and I were running an event, I would think that information on all the cards in all the decks would be VERY valuable data for planning future purchases. Seems to me like they would collect it, but it is another thing entirely whether they would release it in informatics that would be useful to us.
They are like 4 weeks behind on posting IQ results that were gathered for them. I don't think they have the manpower or desire to go through 4300 decklists in order to get some statistics on the metagame.
I miss when they use to do the "too much information".
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Modern Warp / UR Control / UR Storm / Naya Breachshift / ElectroBalance
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Solidarity / Lands / Sneak and Show / Grixis Delver / Reanimator / Belcher / Storm / Dredge
If you dont think SCG and any TO/LGS doesnt know what cards are being played, you need a reality check. Its how the big time players stay in business.
Also, maybe Wotc doesnt want the meta solved after 1 large event. Makes the next few months a bit stale.
It's probably this. Wizards has already expressed their disdain for the number crunchers who would try to solve a format, at least when those number crunchers aren't employed by Wizards. To be honest, as I said earlier, I was surprised that they released the GP Day 2 information at all, let alone the win percentages and decklists from the Pro Tour. That information, coupled with the MTGO public dailies, is more than one would need to "solve" the metagame, even if you might have to make some inferences to fill in gaps.
I think the most interesting question is what is the future of SCG and Modern based off of the amazing success of Richmond. If SCG decides to divert some (or eventually all) of its resources from Legacy to Modern we would surely see even more Modern growth than we have already. Legacy would die off quickly and this might lower the cost of some Modern staples...unless the Legacy players made the switch to Modern.
Any way you slice it I see Modern as the format of the future for WOTC.
I think the most interesting question is what is the future of SCG and Modern based off of the amazing success of Richmond. If SCG decides to divert some (or eventually all) of its resources from Legacy to Modern we would surely see even more Modern growth than we have already. Legacy would die off quickly and this might lower the cost of some Modern staples...unless the Legacy players made the switch to Modern.
Any way you slice it I see Modern as the format of the future for WOTC.
I agree, this is a very intriguing question and one I'm going to watch with interest. If SCG ends up dropping Legacy in a few years, replacing it with Modern (I'd assume such a transition would be slow, but who knows) then we could see the near-death of Legacy since it's primarily supported by SCG. An interesting question after that becomes: what happens to legacy staples? What bout the reserved list? Is it even relevant any longer?
I have to assume that SCG is taking a close look at Modern because of the enormous success they just had, but I'd also think that they won't quit on Legacy until they sell through their stock of its staples.
I think the most interesting question is what is the future of SCG and Modern based off of the amazing success of Richmond. If SCG decides to divert some (or eventually all) of its resources from Legacy to Modern we would surely see even more Modern growth than we have already. Legacy would die off quickly and this might lower the cost of some Modern staples...unless the Legacy players made the switch to Modern.
Any way you slice it I see Modern as the format of the future for WOTC.
SCG isn't going to give up on Legacy. If anything, they would reduce their support for Standard. Also, if SCG made the switch to Modern, they would be running Modern Opens. This would cause the prices of Modern cards to spike in price enormously. Do you want to see $200 fetchlands and $400 Goyfs? That is what will happen when SCG embraces Modern.
If you dont think SCG and any TO/LGS doesnt know what cards are being played, you need a reality check. Its how the big time players stay in business.
Also, maybe Wotc doesnt want the meta solved after 1 large event. Makes the next few months a bit stale.
It's probably this. Wizards has already expressed their disdain for the number crunchers who would try to solve a format, at least when those number crunchers aren't employed by Wizards.
That's possible, though I also think that when they collect the data from decklists they collect it in a way that makes it meaningful for them to create useful informatics. That is likely not in the form of discrete decklists that they could share, but rather spreadsheets. This means it would actually be more work for them to recompile them into the lists that a player might want for metagame analysis.
Did anyone happen to find a BW Tokens deck on Sunday? I just realized that mine was either lost or stolen. It had a German foil Elspeth, a signed Mirran Crusader, and a signed Phyrexian crusader in it, and it was in a StarCityGames deckbox.
There are more Legacy staples over seas also, so I would expect the Legacy scene to be better over there.
It will be interesting how SCG handles this. Will we see more SCG Modern events?
Please no. The format is already mostly inaccessible to newer players. Can you imagine the price increase if SCG endorsed Modern?
They do seem interested, as demonstrated by their wilingness to host GP Richmond. But I agree. I can't imagine what Modern is going to look like if SCG endorses Modern.
Did anyone happen to find a BW Tokens deck on Sunday? I just realized that mine was either lost or stolen. It had a German foil Elspeth, a signed Mirran Crusader, and a signed Phyrexian crusader in it, and it was in a StarCityGames deckbox.
Definitely report this to the appropriate parties. I hope the more experienced people on this forum can give advice on this.
There are more Legacy staples over seas also, so I would expect the Legacy scene to be better over there.
It will be interesting how SCG handles this. Will we see more SCG Modern events?
Please no. The format is already mostly inaccessible to newer players. Can you imagine the price increase if SCG endorsed Modern?
They do seem interested, as demonstrated by their wilingness to host GP Richmond.
I know. It is just incredibly depressing. If SCG Modern Opens happened, I am almost positive that the tier 1 decks would all be over $2000 (except for Affinity, which would still be over $1000).
I know. It is just incredibly depressing. If SCG Modern Opens happened, I am almost positive that the tier 1 decks would all be over $2000 (except for Affinity, which would still be over $1000).
Unfortunately, I do no think reprints will solve this issue long term. Barring a mass reprint of Modern staples (which won't happen because then people will be screaming Chronicles), a reprint will only lower prices temporarily, and once that print run stops, the prices will just jump right back up. To address the issue, I do believe Wizards need to regulate the market. Starcity Games has been doing some skechy things. I will give the following example only for illustration purposes. If Deathrite Shaman sells for $5, and company A buylist for $10, then people are just going to sell them to company A since the buylist is actually higher than the sell price of other companies. Also, and company A can also buy out its competitors. Pretty soon, all of the Deathrite Shamans below $10 are going to gone, and company A will be selling them at $15, which then other stores will follow suit. When that happens, you can just rinse and repeat. Anyone wondering why fetchlands spiked so quickly? I'll give you a hint, demand is not the only reason.
tl;dr, if there were ever a time to speculate, now would be that time.
More players is a good thing for the format. More support, more tournaments, and in the long run more value on our cards and greater odds of re-printings happening to meet demands. Not to mention that every new pair of eyes in the format, is a new potential brewmaster who might come up with the next big thing to take down all the popular decks.
If SCG alternated between Legacy and Modern through the year, I dont think the demand would be as bad as some are thinking. Remember, not every venue SCG rents to run these events can handle huge numbers. I think you would see attendance maybe a bit higher then Legacy simply because of the availability of Modern cards over Legacy. Richmond was a perfect storm event and the first one after a shake up B&R announcement. I doubt we would see those numbers every week if SCG was running Modern regularly.
If SCG alternated between Legacy and Modern through the year, I dont think the demand would be as bad as some are thinking. Remember, not every venue SCG rents to run these events can handle huge numbers. I think you would see attendance maybe a bit higher then Legacy simply because of the availability of Modern cards over Legacy. Richmond was a perfect storm event and the first one after a shake up B&R announcement. I doubt we would see those numbers every week if SCG was running Modern regularly.
The problem is that the demand would still be huge. Prices will keep going up. Newer players will not be able to join the format. As they try to save up to join the format, prices will just keep rising. This is a massive problem for Modern's growth.
If SCG alternated between Legacy and Modern through the year, I dont think the demand would be as bad as some are thinking. Remember, not every venue SCG rents to run these events can handle huge numbers. I think you would see attendance maybe a bit higher then Legacy simply because of the availability of Modern cards over Legacy. Richmond was a perfect storm event and the first one after a shake up B&R announcement. I doubt we would see those numbers every week if SCG was running Modern regularly.
The problem is that the demand would still be huge. Prices will keep going up. Newer players will not be able to join the format. As they try to save up to join the format, prices will just keep rising. This is a massive problem for Modern's growth.
This has become a major issue for Modern, and Wizards definitely needs to address this. The question is, will they?
If SCG alternated between Legacy and Modern through the year, I dont think the demand would be as bad as some are thinking. Remember, not every venue SCG rents to run these events can handle huge numbers. I think you would see attendance maybe a bit higher then Legacy simply because of the availability of Modern cards over Legacy. Richmond was a perfect storm event and the first one after a shake up B&R announcement. I doubt we would see those numbers every week if SCG was running Modern regularly.
The problem is that the demand would still be huge. Prices will keep going up. Newer players will not be able to join the format. As they try to save up to join the format, prices will just keep rising. This is a massive problem for Modern's growth.
This has become a major issue for Modern, and Wizards definitely needs to address this. The question is, will they?
I'd say that the better question is how will they?
The problem is that the demand would still be huge. Prices will keep going up. Newer players will not be able to join the format. As they try to save up to join the format, prices will just keep rising. This is a massive problem for Modern's growth.
This has become a major issue for Modern, and Wizards definitely needs to address this. The question is, will they?
I'd say that the better question is how will they?
Regulate the secondary market. They themselves set how much the price should be. And they should prevent funny business such as SCG setting their buylist higher than other stores' sell price, and then buying out other stores, and then raising the price, and then repeating this process.
If SCG alternated between Legacy and Modern through the year, I dont think the demand would be as bad as some are thinking. Remember, not every venue SCG rents to run these events can handle huge numbers. I think you would see attendance maybe a bit higher then Legacy simply because of the availability of Modern cards over Legacy. Richmond was a perfect storm event and the first one after a shake up B&R announcement. I doubt we would see those numbers every week if SCG was running Modern regularly.
The problem is that the demand would still be huge. Prices will keep going up. Newer players will not be able to join the format. As they try to save up to join the format, prices will just keep rising. This is a massive problem for Modern's growth.
This has become a major issue for Modern, and Wizards definitely needs to address this. The question is, will they?
Sure they will...as soon as they can given that printing cards and developing sets takes time. We want cards, and they want our money, so it is pretty reasonable to think that they will find a way to make both parties happy.
The problem is that the demand would still be huge. Prices will keep going up. Newer players will not be able to join the format. As they try to save up to join the format, prices will just keep rising. This is a massive problem for Modern's growth.
This has become a major issue for Modern, and Wizards definitely needs to address this. The question is, will they?
I'd say that the better question is how will they?
Regulate the secondary market. They themselves set how much the price should be. And they should prevent funny business such as SCG setting their buylist higher than other stores' sell price, and then buying out other stores, and then raising the price, and then repeating this process.
I support this idea and have brought it up before.
If SCG alternated between Legacy and Modern through the year, I dont think the demand would be as bad as some are thinking. Remember, not every venue SCG rents to run these events can handle huge numbers. I think you would see attendance maybe a bit higher then Legacy simply because of the availability of Modern cards over Legacy. Richmond was a perfect storm event and the first one after a shake up B&R announcement. I doubt we would see those numbers every week if SCG was running Modern regularly.
The problem is that the demand would still be huge. Prices will keep going up. Newer players will not be able to join the format. As they try to save up to join the format, prices will just keep rising. This is a massive problem for Modern's growth.
This has become a major issue for Modern, and Wizards definitely needs to address this. The question is, will they?
Sure they will...as soon as they can given that printing cards and developing sets takes time. We want cards, and they want our money, so it is pretty reasonable to think that they will find a way to make both parties happy.
And how are they going to reprint the cards. If they reprint them in Standard, there is a possibility of the Mutavault effect happening (especially with the fetchlands). If they reprint them in a supplemental product that isn't printed enough, the prices will go up. If it has an unlimited print run it will cause the speculators to cry about Chronicles 2.0.
And how are they going to reprint the cards. If they reprint them in Standard, there is a possibility of the Mutavault effect happening (especially with the fetchlands). If they reprint them in a supplemental product that isn't printed enough, the prices will go up. If it has an unlimited print run it will cause the speculators to cry about Chronicles 2.0.
They will have to find a way, otherwise new-blood stops entering the format and with older player attrition the format loses momentum and begins shrinking. I still believe that printing them in a Standard set stabilize the market for the foreseeable future. People will buy ass-loads of packs and people will be able to get some fetches that way, then they can trade them with another player who needs a different fetch. Almost everyone wants Mutavault in their Standard deck, but that will not be the case for Polluted Delta and Arid Mesa (especially without shocks in the format). Some decks will want Delta, some will want Mesa, and people will trade for the one they need. It will not be quite like Mutavault. I anticipate it will still end up being a bit expensive to get a good mana base (like $60 fetches), but for a while at least it will regulate the spikes.
And how are they going to reprint the cards. If they reprint them in Standard, there is a possibility of the Mutavault effect happening (especially with the fetchlands). If they reprint them in a supplemental product that isn't printed enough, the prices will go up. If it has an unlimited print run it will cause the speculators to cry about Chronicles 2.0.
They will have to find a way, otherwise new-blood stops entering the format and with older player attrition the format loses momentum and begins shrinking. I still believe that printing them in a Standard set stabilize the market for the foreseeable future. People will buy ass-loads of packs and people will be able to get some fetches that way, then they can trade them with another player who needs a different fetch. Almost everyone wants Mutavault in their Standard deck, but that will not be the case for Polluted Delta and Arid Mesa (especially without shocks in the format). Some decks will want Delta, some will want Mesa, and people will trade for the one they need. It will not be quite like Mutavault. I anticipate it will still end up being a bit expensive to get a good mana base (like $60 fetches), but for a while at least it will regulate the spikes.
If fetchlands are $60, that is still too high for Standard. Wizards cannot afford to have its main money-maker cost over $500 just for a single 2-color manabase.
And how are they going to reprint the cards. If they reprint them in Standard, there is a possibility of the Mutavault effect happening (especially with the fetchlands). If they reprint them in a supplemental product that isn't printed enough, the prices will go up. If it has an unlimited print run it will cause the speculators to cry about Chronicles 2.0.
They will have to find a way, otherwise new-blood stops entering the format and with older player attrition the format loses momentum and begins shrinking. I still believe that printing them in a Standard set stabilize the market for the foreseeable future. People will buy ass-loads of packs and people will be able to get some fetches that way, then they can trade them with another player who needs a different fetch. Almost everyone wants Mutavault in their Standard deck, but that will not be the case for Polluted Delta and Arid Mesa (especially without shocks in the format). Some decks will want Delta, some will want Mesa, and people will trade for the one they need. It will not be quite like Mutavault. I anticipate it will still end up being a bit expensive to get a good mana base (like $60 fetches), but for a while at least it will regulate the spikes.
If fetchlands are $60, that is still too high for Standard. Wizards cannot afford to have its main money-maker cost over $500 just for a single 2-color manabase.
What you are talking about has been talked about for years in all formats about the mana bases being the most expensive part of a deck.
$60 fetchs I think are a pipe dream now. I would say $75 or better is going to be the price. By the time they do reprint them, the blue ones will be pushing the upper hundreds. I doubt we see a crash in price down to under $60.
Lesson to be learned, dont trade away your mana base.
And how are they going to reprint the cards. If they reprint them in Standard, there is a possibility of the Mutavault effect happening (especially with the fetchlands). If they reprint them in a supplemental product that isn't printed enough, the prices will go up. If it has an unlimited print run it will cause the speculators to cry about Chronicles 2.0.
They will have to find a way, otherwise new-blood stops entering the format and with older player attrition the format loses momentum and begins shrinking. I still believe that printing them in a Standard set stabilize the market for the foreseeable future. People will buy ass-loads of packs and people will be able to get some fetches that way, then they can trade them with another player who needs a different fetch. Almost everyone wants Mutavault in their Standard deck, but that will not be the case for Polluted Delta and Arid Mesa (especially without shocks in the format). Some decks will want Delta, some will want Mesa, and people will trade for the one they need. It will not be quite like Mutavault. I anticipate it will still end up being a bit expensive to get a good mana base (like $60 fetches), but for a while at least it will regulate the spikes.
If fetchlands are $60, that is still too high for Standard. Wizards cannot afford to have its main money-maker cost over $500 just for a single 2-color manabase.
What you are talking about has been talked about for years in all formats about the mana bases being the most expensive part of a deck.
$60 fetchs I think are a pipe dream now. I would say $75 or better is going to be the price. By the time they do reprint them, the blue ones will be pushing the upper hundreds. I doubt we see a crash in price down to under $60.
Lesson to be learned, dont trade away your mana base.
And still Bocephus, you don't see a problem with fetchlands becoming as expensive as ABUR duals?
Also, maybe Wotc doesnt want the meta solved after 1 large event. Makes the next few months a bit stale.
I miss when they use to do the "too much information".
Modern Warp / UR Control / UR Storm / Naya Breachshift / ElectroBalance
Solidarity / Lands / Sneak and Show / Grixis Delver / Reanimator / Belcher / Storm / Dredge
It's probably this. Wizards has already expressed their disdain for the number crunchers who would try to solve a format, at least when those number crunchers aren't employed by Wizards. To be honest, as I said earlier, I was surprised that they released the GP Day 2 information at all, let alone the win percentages and decklists from the Pro Tour. That information, coupled with the MTGO public dailies, is more than one would need to "solve" the metagame, even if you might have to make some inferences to fill in gaps.
Any way you slice it I see Modern as the format of the future for WOTC.
I agree, this is a very intriguing question and one I'm going to watch with interest. If SCG ends up dropping Legacy in a few years, replacing it with Modern (I'd assume such a transition would be slow, but who knows) then we could see the near-death of Legacy since it's primarily supported by SCG. An interesting question after that becomes: what happens to legacy staples? What bout the reserved list? Is it even relevant any longer?
I have to assume that SCG is taking a close look at Modern because of the enormous success they just had, but I'd also think that they won't quit on Legacy until they sell through their stock of its staples.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
SCG isn't going to give up on Legacy. If anything, they would reduce their support for Standard. Also, if SCG made the switch to Modern, they would be running Modern Opens. This would cause the prices of Modern cards to spike in price enormously. Do you want to see $200 fetchlands and $400 Goyfs? That is what will happen when SCG embraces Modern.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Reprint Opt for Modern!!
FREE DIG THOROUGH TIME!
PLAY MORE ROUGE DECKS!
It will be interesting how SCG handles this. Will we see more SCG Modern events?
Please no. The format is already mostly inaccessible to newer players. Can you imagine the price increase if SCG endorsed Modern?
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
They do seem interested, as demonstrated by their wilingness to host GP Richmond. But I agree. I can't imagine what Modern is going to look like if SCG endorses Modern.
Definitely report this to the appropriate parties. I hope the more experienced people on this forum can give advice on this.
I know. It is just incredibly depressing. If SCG Modern Opens happened, I am almost positive that the tier 1 decks would all be over $2000 (except for Affinity, which would still be over $1000).
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Unfortunately, I do no think reprints will solve this issue long term. Barring a mass reprint of Modern staples (which won't happen because then people will be screaming Chronicles), a reprint will only lower prices temporarily, and once that print run stops, the prices will just jump right back up. To address the issue, I do believe Wizards need to regulate the market. Starcity Games has been doing some skechy things. I will give the following example only for illustration purposes. If Deathrite Shaman sells for $5, and company A buylist for $10, then people are just going to sell them to company A since the buylist is actually higher than the sell price of other companies. Also, and company A can also buy out its competitors. Pretty soon, all of the Deathrite Shamans below $10 are going to gone, and company A will be selling them at $15, which then other stores will follow suit. When that happens, you can just rinse and repeat. Anyone wondering why fetchlands spiked so quickly? I'll give you a hint, demand is not the only reason.
More players is a good thing for the format. More support, more tournaments, and in the long run more value on our cards and greater odds of re-printings happening to meet demands. Not to mention that every new pair of eyes in the format, is a new potential brewmaster who might come up with the next big thing to take down all the popular decks.
The problem is that the demand would still be huge. Prices will keep going up. Newer players will not be able to join the format. As they try to save up to join the format, prices will just keep rising. This is a massive problem for Modern's growth.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
This has become a major issue for Modern, and Wizards definitely needs to address this. The question is, will they?
I'd say that the better question is how will they?
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Regulate the secondary market. They themselves set how much the price should be. And they should prevent funny business such as SCG setting their buylist higher than other stores' sell price, and then buying out other stores, and then raising the price, and then repeating this process.
Reprint Opt for Modern!!
FREE DIG THOROUGH TIME!
PLAY MORE ROUGE DECKS!
I support this idea and have brought it up before.
And how are they going to reprint the cards. If they reprint them in Standard, there is a possibility of the Mutavault effect happening (especially with the fetchlands). If they reprint them in a supplemental product that isn't printed enough, the prices will go up. If it has an unlimited print run it will cause the speculators to cry about Chronicles 2.0.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Reprint Opt for Modern!!
FREE DIG THOROUGH TIME!
PLAY MORE ROUGE DECKS!
If fetchlands are $60, that is still too high for Standard. Wizards cannot afford to have its main money-maker cost over $500 just for a single 2-color manabase.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
What you are talking about has been talked about for years in all formats about the mana bases being the most expensive part of a deck.
$60 fetchs I think are a pipe dream now. I would say $75 or better is going to be the price. By the time they do reprint them, the blue ones will be pushing the upper hundreds. I doubt we see a crash in price down to under $60.
Lesson to be learned, dont trade away your mana base.
And still Bocephus, you don't see a problem with fetchlands becoming as expensive as ABUR duals?
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.