The thing about playing a bunch of discard with Master of the Feast is, if your discard plan is already good enough to make Master playable, why not just go all-in on it? Your deck needs to be able to handle drawing a Master with no support (i.e. discard). Play too little support and Master's drawback will bite you. Play too much support - well, in that case, why not drop Master and play a bunch of Racks instead?
Furthermore, Master gives your opponent a card every turn. Discard trades 1 for 1, maybe 2 for 1 if you have Wrench Mind. You're much more likely to run out of cards before your opponent. In addition, repeatable discard (Liliana, Necrogen Mists, Cunning Lethemancer) is symmetric, so that also doesn't help.
I believe that the only decks that Master of the Feast would help are aggro ones. You know how Goblin Guide says "go ahead and draw a card, I'm going to kill you before that card can make a difference?" Master is a lot like that. Master needs to advance your deck's gameplan all by itself, without support (meaning, without a card to "combo" with it). You don't see people playing discard spells in decks with Goblin Guide, do you?
About Star-Woolen Sheep, yeah, it's a cute card. It's redundancy for Ajani's Mantra...well, except that no deck wants Mantra. Mantra wants you to play cards that trigger off gaining life, like Ajani's Pridemate or Searing Meditation. However, the most efficient way to utilize Mantra effects is with a 1-drop that triggers off lifegain (so you lead T1 1-drop, T2 Mantra and on T3 you get the first trigger), which unfortunately does not exist at the moment. Keep your eyes open for possible Mantra abusers, though - Modern is a format where if your synergy is strong enough, your deck can make it to tier 2. Just look at Bogles.
Eidolon of Rhetoric is harder to remove than Canonist, but Storm isn't getting rid of it either way (usually their only outs are Echoing Truth, Bolt may kill Canonist but misses against W Eidolon). However, Rule of Law is a ridiculously narrow card. The only question here is, "does being a 1/4 creature let me side this in against other decks?" If the answer is no, stick to Rule.
Battlefield Thaumaturge is a very interesting card. The bad thing is that Thaumaturge needs two kinds of cards to support it: creatures, and I/S spells which target those creatures. Oh, and those I/S cards need to have colorless in their mana costs. For now I'm going to say that Thaumaturge is unplayable.
And by the way, Goblin Electromancer isn't a good comparison for Thaumaturge. I made that mistake, but caught myself. Mancer is good because you play it in a deck which casts something like 11 spells a turn, and it gives you 5+ mana discounts in total. Unless you can pull off something similar, Thaumaturge is going to be little better than a Signet.
I enjoy when they reprint beloved cards, but I feel like half the cards in this block are just lazy reprints that they altered *slightly*? I'm not against nostalgia, but I feel like they dropped the ball in this block on making new unique enchantments that actually created different (and playable) game states.
I mean.. heck, so far...
Pyrostatic Pillar - Put it on a 2/1 body.
Howling mine - Put it on a flash enchantment
Heartbeat of Spring - put it on a flash enchantment
Riptide Chimera - Esperzoa for Enchantments
Eidolon of Rhetoric - Rule of Law on a 1/4 body
Extinguish All Hope - Mindslaver
Dictate of the Twin Gods - Furnace of Rath
I enjoy when they reprint beloved cards, but I feel like half the cards in this block are just lazy reprints that they altered *slightly*? I'm not against nostalgia, but I feel like they dropped the ball in this block on making new unique enchantments that actually created different (and playable) game states.
I mean.. heck, so far...
Pyrostatic Pillar - Put it on a 2/1 body.
Howling mine - Put it on a flash enchantment
Heartbeat of Spring - put it on a flash enchantment
Riptide Chimera - Esperzoa for Enchantments
Eidolon of Rhetoric - Rule of Law on a 1/4 body
Extinguish All Hope - Mindslaver
Dictate of the Twin Gods - Furnace of Rath
Extinguish all hope is neither an enchantment nor a Mindslaver. Worst Fears is a Mindslaver, but not an enchantment.
I meant Canonist lol, in terms of ease of removal it's obviously Canonist < Eidolon < Rule.
The thing is, the one deck that you want Rule for is Storm, and Storm isn't going to be able to get rid of Rule nor Eidolon. In the Storm matchup either Rule/Eidolon is equally unbeatable, so the question is which card is better against non-Storm decks. Given the narrowness of Rule of Law though, having a 1/4 body or not isn't going to make much difference, since you're not going to side either card against a non-Storm deck.
Obviously Battlefield Thaumaturge is meant to be used with Strive (would be amazing if it worked with Overload), though there are likely a lot more interactions, but the question is are any of the Strive spells worth running.
it seems like the kind of cards that is waiting to be broken. I'm glad it's not mythic.
EDIT 2: On consideration BT seems utterly bonkers.
I cant see why one would want Eidolon over cannonist or rule. If your an aggro deck, you want cannonist. If you are a midrange/control, you want law because it hard to remove. I can only see Eidolon in pod, but even then, why not just use cannonist. Eggs?
I cant see why one would want Eidolon over cannonist or rule. If your an aggro deck, you want cannonist. If you are a midrange/control, you want law because it hard to remove. I can only see Eidolon in pod, but even then, why not just use cannonist. Eggs?
Aether Vial and Thalia. In D&T we run Canonist because she is a critter, and we can cast them much more efficiently, but EC is vulnerable and no good against Affinity. This new Eidolon is better for us in many ways.
I cant see why one would want Eidolon over cannonist or rule. If your an aggro deck, you want cannonist. If you are a midrange/control, you want law because it hard to remove. I can only see Eidolon in pod, but even then, why not just use cannonist. Eggs?
The latest Storm builds pack Bolt and/or Anger of the Gods in the sideboard, so I want my Pod hate bear to survive those. Dodging red artifact hate is also nice.
I meant Canonist lol, in terms of ease of removal it's obviously Canonist < Eidolon < Rule.
The thing is, the one deck that you want Rule for is Storm, and Storm isn't going to be able to get rid of Rule nor Eidolon. In the Storm matchup either Rule/Eidolon is equally unbeatable, so the question is which card is better against non-Storm decks. Given the narrowness of Rule of Law though, having a 1/4 body or not isn't going to make much difference, since you're not going to side either card against a non-Storm deck.
Keep in mind canonist is a 2 drop and can prevent them from going off T3 on the draw which is huge... I prefer it to rule of law.
Obviously Battlefield Thaumaturge is meant to be used with Strive (would be amazing if it worked with Overload), though there are likely a lot more interactions, but the question is are any of the Strive spells worth running.
it seems like the kind of cards that is waiting to be broken. I'm glad it's not mythic.
EDIT 2: On consideration BT seems utterly bonkers.
I think its easiest application is with Launch the Fleet, meaning you only pay W for targeting ALL your creatures.
For those saying that Atheros is a nonbo in Melira Pod, remember that combo-ing off requires a sac outlet anyway. If you're going to combo off, you can always sacrifice him prior.
Or they could just learn how triggers and the stack work.. I mean heck, haven't these pod players ever had their Finks exiled by Scavenging Ooze while the persist trigger is on the stack?!?!?
All you have to do is put the God's trigger on the stack first, and then the persist trigger. The persist trigger resolves first and the Finks/Redcap come back to the battlefield.
I meant Canonist lol, in terms of ease of removal it's obviously Canonist < Eidolon < Rule.
The thing is, the one deck that you want Rule for is Storm, and Storm isn't going to be able to get rid of Rule nor Eidolon. In the Storm matchup either Rule/Eidolon is equally unbeatable, so the question is which card is better against non-Storm decks. Given the narrowness of Rule of Law though, having a 1/4 body or not isn't going to make much difference, since you're not going to side either card against a non-Storm deck.
Keep in mind canonist is a 2 drop and can prevent them from going off T3 on the draw which is huge... I prefer it to rule of law.
Yeah, I've been turn 3 killed far more than enough times to not consider playing this card over Cannonist. There's enough storm in my meta that I may run a copy of both for insurance against Lightning Bolt though.
I cant see why one would want Eidolon over cannonist or rule. If your an aggro deck, you want cannonist. If you are a midrange/control, you want law because it hard to remove. I can only see Eidolon in pod, but even then, why not just use cannonist. Eggs?
Aether Vial and Thalia. In D&T we run Canonist because she is a critter, and we can cast them much more efficiently, but EC is vulnerable and no good against Affinity. This new Eidolon is better for us in many ways.
Meh I dont buy that. I dont see Eidolon being better than Cannonist against affinity in any deck, let alone DnT. Vialing in Eidolon happens on Turn 4, Im pretty sure Affinity will be in topdeck mode at that point. Sure you can hard cast it on the same turn as Rule of Law, but then its just a more vulnerable Rule, so why bother?
In fact any deck that wants this effect would prefer either EC or Rule over this new janker. You either want the speed and body that EC provides or the resilience of Rule. Eidolon has the weaknesses of both and no clear advantages over either.
Does the new hexproof hatebear stop Grapeshot and lightning storm? I assume it does with grapeshot since it doesn't result, but lightning storm can kill it first right?
I don't get what you're asking.
It only gives its controller hexproof, and Grapeshot can kill dudes.
It's either going to make Grapeshot awkward because you can't target its controller with the same storm batch that's killing it, or it's getting vialed in to make a bunch of Grapeshots aimed at the dome whiff on the spot...
Right thats what im asking. So it does prevent a grapeshot. What about lightning storm? The stack is weird with that card. since its seperate instances i assume you can kill it and then hit the face with the same one yea?
I think the Battlemage Thaumaturge has an enormous potential in Modern, but I'd really like to compile the cards that are really, really good with him, mainly the "divide X damage between creatures" work well. So far we've got:
-Comet Storm
-Aurelia's Fury
-Curse of the Swine (meh too clunky)
-Clan Defiance (meh)
I think the Battlemage Thaumaturge has an enormous potential in Modern, but I'd really like to compile the cards that are really, really good with him, mainly the "divide X damage between creatures" work well. So far we've got:
-Comet Storm
-Aurelia's Fury
-Curse of the Swine (meh too clunky)
-Clan Defiance (meh)
Right thats what im asking. So it does prevent a grapeshot. What about lightning storm? The stack is weird with that card. since its seperate instances i assume you can kill it and then hit the face with the same one yea?
I think you might need to reread the card. Lightning Storm is one card that just builds up, not one that fragments.
I think the Battlemage Thaumaturge has an enormous potential in Modern, but I'd really like to compile the cards that are really, really good with him, mainly the "divide X damage between creatures" work well. So far we've got:
-Comet Storm
-Aurelia's Fury
-Curse of the Swine (meh too clunky)
-Clan Defiance (meh)
What more??
Profane Command.
Cool! So if I'm understanding it right, for exampke if there were 20 creatures in the battlefield, you could make all 20 of them gain fear (lol) AND drain your opponent for 20 instakilling him for just a mana cost of BB?
If it's like this then it certainly has potential, even though the number of creatures is usually much lower obviously.
I think the Battlemage Thaumaturge has an enormous potential in Modern, but I'd really like to compile the cards that are really, really good with him, mainly the "divide X damage between creatures" work well. So far we've got:
-Comet Storm
-Aurelia's Fury
-Curse of the Swine (meh too clunky)
-Clan Defiance (meh)
What more??
Profane Command.
Cool! So if I'm understanding it right, for exampke if there were 20 creatures in the battlefield, you could make all 20 of them gain fear (lol) AND drain your opponent for 20 instakilling him for just a mana cost of BB?
If it's like this then it certainly has potential, even though the number of creatures is usually much lower obviously.
Meh I dont buy that. I dont see Eidolon being better than Cannonist against affinity in any deck, let alone DnT. Vialing in Eidolon happens on Turn 4, Im pretty sure Affinity will be in topdeck mode at that point. Sure you can hard cast it on the same turn as Rule of Law, but then its just a more vulnerable Rule, so why bother?
In fact any deck that wants this effect would prefer either EC or Rule over this new janker. You either want the speed and body that EC provides or the resilience of Rule. Eidolon has the weaknesses of both and no clear advantages over either.
You also don't play D&T. I am not going to say 100%, but it is mos def worth testing and evaluating before you dismiss it.
I think the Battlemage Thaumaturge has an enormous potential in Modern, but I'd really like to compile the cards that are really, really good with him, mainly the "divide X damage between creatures" work well. So far we've got:
-Comet Storm
-Aurelia's Fury
-Curse of the Swine (meh too clunky)
-Clan Defiance (meh)
What more??
Call me a Johnny, but I think a lot of the value of the card will be in the more subtle game smoothing effects with synergy. Yea, big fireball type spells are the obvious ones, but I think the net gain will be in other synergies.
Furthermore, Master gives your opponent a card every turn. Discard trades 1 for 1, maybe 2 for 1 if you have Wrench Mind. You're much more likely to run out of cards before your opponent. In addition, repeatable discard (Liliana, Necrogen Mists, Cunning Lethemancer) is symmetric, so that also doesn't help.
I believe that the only decks that Master of the Feast would help are aggro ones. You know how Goblin Guide says "go ahead and draw a card, I'm going to kill you before that card can make a difference?" Master is a lot like that. Master needs to advance your deck's gameplan all by itself, without support (meaning, without a card to "combo" with it). You don't see people playing discard spells in decks with Goblin Guide, do you?
About Star-Woolen Sheep, yeah, it's a cute card. It's redundancy for Ajani's Mantra...well, except that no deck wants Mantra. Mantra wants you to play cards that trigger off gaining life, like Ajani's Pridemate or Searing Meditation. However, the most efficient way to utilize Mantra effects is with a 1-drop that triggers off lifegain (so you lead T1 1-drop, T2 Mantra and on T3 you get the first trigger), which unfortunately does not exist at the moment. Keep your eyes open for possible Mantra abusers, though - Modern is a format where if your synergy is strong enough, your deck can make it to tier 2. Just look at Bogles.
Eidolon of Rhetoric is harder to remove than Canonist, but Storm isn't getting rid of it either way (usually their only outs are Echoing Truth, Bolt may kill Canonist but misses against W Eidolon). However, Rule of Law is a ridiculously narrow card. The only question here is, "does being a 1/4 creature let me side this in against other decks?" If the answer is no, stick to Rule.
Battlefield Thaumaturge is a very interesting card. The bad thing is that Thaumaturge needs two kinds of cards to support it: creatures, and I/S spells which target those creatures. Oh, and those I/S cards need to have colorless in their mana costs. For now I'm going to say that Thaumaturge is unplayable.
And by the way, Goblin Electromancer isn't a good comparison for Thaumaturge. I made that mistake, but caught myself. Mancer is good because you play it in a deck which casts something like 11 spells a turn, and it gives you 5+ mana discounts in total. Unless you can pull off something similar, Thaumaturge is going to be little better than a Signet.
| Ad Nauseam
| Infect
Big Johnny.
It's literally Rule of Law with creature stats printed on it. Enchantment Creature. It dies to anything that kills RoL and then more.
Though it ends up being the case that shy of Slaughter Pact/Path to Exile/etc, anything that kills EoR would kill RoL much the same...
/rambling
I mean.. heck, so far...
Pyrostatic Pillar - Put it on a 2/1 body.
Howling mine - Put it on a flash enchantment
Heartbeat of Spring - put it on a flash enchantment
Riptide Chimera - Esperzoa for Enchantments
Eidolon of Rhetoric - Rule of Law on a 1/4 body
Extinguish All Hope - Mindslaver
Dictate of the Twin Gods - Furnace of Rath
Extinguish all hope is neither an enchantment nor a Mindslaver. Worst Fears is a Mindslaver, but not an enchantment.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
The thing is, the one deck that you want Rule for is Storm, and Storm isn't going to be able to get rid of Rule nor Eidolon. In the Storm matchup either Rule/Eidolon is equally unbeatable, so the question is which card is better against non-Storm decks. Given the narrowness of Rule of Law though, having a 1/4 body or not isn't going to make much difference, since you're not going to side either card against a non-Storm deck.
| Ad Nauseam
| Infect
Big Johnny.
it seems like the kind of cards that is waiting to be broken. I'm glad it's not mythic.
EDIT 2: On consideration BT seems utterly bonkers.
Reprint Opt for Modern!!
FREE DIG THOROUGH TIME!
PLAY MORE ROUGE DECKS!
Reprint Opt for Modern!!
FREE DIG THOROUGH TIME!
PLAY MORE ROUGE DECKS!
The latest Storm builds pack Bolt and/or Anger of the Gods in the sideboard, so I want my Pod hate bear to survive those. Dodging red artifact hate is also nice.
Keep in mind canonist is a 2 drop and can prevent them from going off T3 on the draw which is huge... I prefer it to rule of law.
I think its easiest application is with Launch the Fleet, meaning you only pay W for targeting ALL your creatures.
Not if you know how to stack triggers...
Or they could just learn how triggers and the stack work.. I mean heck, haven't these pod players ever had their Finks exiled by Scavenging Ooze while the persist trigger is on the stack?!?!?
All you have to do is put the God's trigger on the stack first, and then the persist trigger. The persist trigger resolves first and the Finks/Redcap come back to the battlefield.
Yeah, I've been turn 3 killed far more than enough times to not consider playing this card over Cannonist. There's enough storm in my meta that I may run a copy of both for insurance against Lightning Bolt though.
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Meh I dont buy that. I dont see Eidolon being better than Cannonist against affinity in any deck, let alone DnT. Vialing in Eidolon happens on Turn 4, Im pretty sure Affinity will be in topdeck mode at that point. Sure you can hard cast it on the same turn as Rule of Law, but then its just a more vulnerable Rule, so why bother?
In fact any deck that wants this effect would prefer either EC or Rule over this new janker. You either want the speed and body that EC provides or the resilience of Rule. Eidolon has the weaknesses of both and no clear advantages over either.
It only gives its controller hexproof, and Grapeshot can kill dudes.
It's either going to make Grapeshot awkward because you can't target its controller with the same storm batch that's killing it, or it's getting vialed in to make a bunch of Grapeshots aimed at the dome whiff on the spot...
-Comet Storm
-Aurelia's Fury
-Curse of the Swine (meh too clunky)
-Clan Defiance (meh)
What more??
Profane Command.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
I think you might need to reread the card. Lightning Storm is one card that just builds up, not one that fragments.
Cool! So if I'm understanding it right, for exampke if there were 20 creatures in the battlefield, you could make all 20 of them gain fear (lol) AND drain your opponent for 20 instakilling him for just a mana cost of BB?
If it's like this then it certainly has potential, even though the number of creatures is usually much lower obviously.
That's how it works.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Call me a Johnny, but I think a lot of the value of the card will be in the more subtle game smoothing effects with synergy. Yea, big fireball type spells are the obvious ones, but I think the net gain will be in other synergies.
Reprint Opt for Modern!!
FREE DIG THOROUGH TIME!
PLAY MORE ROUGE DECKS!