I'd pick up the Aven Mindcensors, Scavenging Oozes, Tectonic Edges, and Leonin Arbiters first, as those are the Hatebears cards with the most potential to spike.
I just don't see any of these spiking. They are all general utility cards that have been established as good for a long time and have had a very reasonable price, so most of the people that want them have them. They could creep up based on people entering the format and seeing hatebears as an easier deck to build, but I don't see a reason for these to spike.
I don't either, but it is more likely than the other Hatebears cards spiking.
what is everyones thoughts on judge's familiar. I stocked up on them when they were like $0.50 because they are a better and cheaper alternative to cursecatcher if your not playing merfolk. I really haven't seen them move much, should i expect them to jump after their rotation. As far as the gods go shouldn't they go up after rotation too? I realize this is a ways away but they are monstrous creatures with abilities for fairly good mana costs. I just think they don't see much play in standard so they are staying low for the time being.
Value is good. But Dredgevine isn't supposed to be about value. It's supposed to be about V-8; 2000 pounds of nitro boosted war vegetables. The more velocity, the better.
Modern:
DredgeVine EDH:
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Anima Standard:
Hi, been away from the scene for a while. I'm looking to sell some cards in my collection, which includes some Modern staples. I hear that Modern season is coming up -- when does it start and when do you think is the best time to sell Modern cards? Thanks.
Hi, been away from the scene for a while. I'm looking to sell some cards in my collection, which includes some Modern staples. I hear that Modern season is coming up -- when does it start and when do you think is the best time to sell Modern cards? Thanks.
Wait until GP Minnesota, which is next weekend. You can expect another round of price spikes after this.
What do you guys think the following cards will be at price wise after the GP?
Torpor Orb
Grafdigger's Cage
Counterflux
Anger of the Gods
Scavenging Ooze
Melira, Sylvok Outcast
Leonin Arbiter
Rest in Peace
Restoration Angel
Stony Silence
None of those. All of those cards are known quantities. Its cards we dont see play now that get shown they are competitive in Modern next weekend are the cards that will spike. You have to watch the tournament to know what is going to spike.
What do you guys think the following cards will be at price wise after the GP?
Torpor Orb
Grafdigger's Cage
Counterflux
Anger of the Gods
Scavenging Ooze
Melira, Sylvok Outcast
Leonin Arbiter
Rest in Peace
Restoration Angel
Stony Silence
None of those. All of those cards are known quantities. Its cards we dont see play now that get shown they are competitive in Modern next weekend are the cards that will spike. You have to watch the tournament to know what is going to spike.
He's right. Known quantities like this are slow growers, not spikers. The only way cards like this spike is if a rogue deck comes out of nowhere that scares people and one of these cards just happens to be kryptonite for it. The problem with that is that if it really is kyrptonite it will make the deck go away and then fall very quickly again, and if it isn't it will fall even quicker as people realize thier mistake. Of course no one has any way of anticipating such a deck, so there is no point in trying. I know that one day I will take the MTG world by storm with 5C Zubera, but I'm not ready to reveal it yet.
Great advice all around here. It's the cards that are good, but not on our radar at the moment that have the biggest chance of spiking. Which essentially comes down to either something unexpected showing up or event coverage talking about an underutilized card that is already seen as decent but isn't necessarily on anyone's radar (exactly what happened with Runed Halo for example). The cards with the largest percent growth due to price spikes are hidden in the weeds still most likely. As modern continues to grow and is now a couple years old, most of the obvious/big money cards have revealed themselves I think. Meta shifts and archetype changes down the line of course also have the chance to impact price fluctuations.
What do you guys think the following cards will be at price wise after the GP?
Torpor Orb
Grafdigger's Cage
Counterflux
Anger of the Gods
Scavenging Ooze
Melira, Sylvok Outcast
Leonin Arbiter
Rest in Peace
Restoration Angel
Stony Silence
None of those. All of those cards are known quantities. Its cards we dont see play now that get shown they are competitive in Modern next weekend are the cards that will spike. You have to watch the tournament to know what is going to spike.
He's right. Known quantities like this are slow growers, not spikers. The only way cards like this spike is if a rogue deck comes out of nowhere that scares people and one of these cards just happens to be kryptonite for it. The problem with that is that if it really is kyrptonite it will make the deck go away and then fall very quickly again, and if it isn't it will fall even quicker as people realize thier mistake. Of course no one has any way of anticipating such a deck, so there is no point in trying. I know that one day I will take the MTG world by storm with 5C Zubera, but I'm not ready to reveal it yet.
Scalding Tarn and Misty Rainforest were known quantities too. That didn't stop them from spiking.
Fair point regarding fetches, mana bases tend to be expensive and rise in price over time as has also been seen in legacy. Unlike the aforementioned sideboard cards, they are also four of requirements in the maindeck of many lists in order to be a fully optimized list. Combine that with he recent popularity spike in the format and you saw a giant price spike due to speculators/sellers of singles. Mana bases are almost always a good investment, pick up your shocks if you haven't already because if they don't see re-prints in a year or so (which they won't) they will easily be in the $20-30 range.
Fair point regarding fetches, mana bases tend to be expensive and rise in price over time as has also been seen in legacy. Unlike the aforementioned sideboard cards, they are also four of requirements in the maindeck of many lists in order to be a fully optimized list. Combine that with he recent popularity spike in the format and you saw a giant price spike due to speculators/sellers of singles. Mana bases are almost always a good investment, pick up your shocks if you haven't already because if they don't see re-prints in a year or so (which they won't) they will easily be in the $20-30 range.
I personally am waiting until rotation to get them.
Fair point regarding fetches, mana bases tend to be expensive and rise in price over time as has also been seen in legacy. Unlike the aforementioned sideboard cards, they are also four of requirements in the maindeck of many lists in order to be a fully optimized list. Combine that with he recent popularity spike in the format and you saw a giant price spike due to speculators/sellers of singles. Mana bases are almost always a good investment, pick up your shocks if you haven't already because if they don't see re-prints in a year or so (which they won't) they will easily be in the $20-30 range.
I personally am waiting until rotation to get them.
Not a bad call there, and probably the correct one, assuming most Standard players don't decide to hold them for modern, there will probably be a massive inventory dump as they all sell them off.
One that I bought in March after being reminded of it on a Brainstorm Brewery episode was Mark of Asylum. I only bought to play so four in paper at $.25 and a set on MTGO at .05 tix, but I have seen it in a few sideboards since then and I am starting to think that they were right that in a post Anger of the Gods world the card may have some value. It's a card that is so cheap to grab that it wouldn't take much of an increase in price to double your investment, and it does have applications.
Fair point regarding fetches, mana bases tend to be expensive and rise in price over time as has also been seen in legacy. Unlike the aforementioned sideboard cards, they are also four of requirements in the maindeck of many lists in order to be a fully optimized list. Combine that with he recent popularity spike in the format and you saw a giant price spike due to speculators/sellers of singles. Mana bases are almost always a good investment, pick up your shocks if you haven't already because if they don't see re-prints in a year or so (which they won't) they will easily be in the $20-30 range.
I personally am waiting until rotation to get them.
If you do that you'd better be fast about it. A lot of Standard players see how popular these cards are for Modern and will hold on to them for when they are ready to make the move, or just to sell at a higher price. I think these will dip a bit after rotation, but don't wait for a dramatic low because shocks are not going to dip much if at all. At their price of about $9 right now they are a damn steal and I cannot see shops letting them get lower than that. If a shop knows that people are buying at $9 what incentive do they have to lower the price? They just buy up what players are unloading and don't lower the price because there is just no incentive to do so. Shocks are arguable the second best dual lands ever printed, and any moron can see that they will increase in price quite a bit a year from now, and people are buying them at $9 now so why should your LGS drop their sell price after rotation?
I'm just sayin' that as a guy who had to fuss with $35 shocks when modern first started (and people were still buying them), waiting for them to get much lower than $9 sounds a little crazy. I would not be surprise if this is the cheapest they will be for years to come.
EDIT: I'll amend that a bit- Wait until rotation for Sacred Foundry for sure. That card's price has traditionally been one of the cheapest of the 10 so that leads me to think that it is being inflated a lot by Standard Boros.
What do you guys think the following cards will be at price wise after the GP?
Torpor Orb
Grafdigger's Cage
Counterflux
Anger of the Gods
Scavenging Ooze
Melira, Sylvok Outcast
Leonin Arbiter
Rest in Peace
Restoration Angel
Stony Silence
None of those. All of those cards are known quantities. Its cards we dont see play now that get shown they are competitive in Modern next weekend are the cards that will spike. You have to watch the tournament to know what is going to spike.
He's right. Known quantities like this are slow growers, not spikers. The only way cards like this spike is if a rogue deck comes out of nowhere that scares people and one of these cards just happens to be kryptonite for it. The problem with that is that if it really is kyrptonite it will make the deck go away and then fall very quickly again, and if it isn't it will fall even quicker as people realize thier mistake. Of course no one has any way of anticipating such a deck, so there is no point in trying. I know that one day I will take the MTG world by storm with 5C Zubera, but I'm not ready to reveal it yet.
Scalding Tarn and Misty Rainforest were known quantities too. That didn't stop them from spiking.
Just proving my point you dont understand how the system works or simple economics.
TRANSCRIPT from ktkenshinx Gatheringmagic: Big question is - Fetchlands. People are complaining about these in Modern and you did such a great job with the shocklands reprints that the availability is everywhere. People can't complain about getting their shocklands; if you don't have your shocklands, you're not prepare for the format. But fetchlands? People didn't quite see that. Is it the same thing for you guys? Did you not see this happening? The demand of Modern? And eventually I'm sure that we are going to get one, if you don't want to say when, is this a concern for you guys?
Aaron Forsythe: Yeah. I mean, they did take off kind of out of the blue it felt like. Pretty recently. And obviously our turnaround time on doing anything is not instantaneous. So any plans that we have to put more fetchlands out there will take some time to execute on. But we are definitely aware of, you know, what cards people need to build decks to play Modern and what cards they're after. So we are going to do what we can.
Noticing some BW decks placing well lately. Will Mirran Crisader or the buy a box promo version go up at all perhaps? Dies a horrible death to bolt, but of we continue to see junk and bg decks it could be well positioned.
Mutavault more specifically on MTGO. Picked them up for ~20 dollars sometime last year, I was using them up until about a week ago that I noticed they had dropped from there ~28 dollar back down to 19-20. Will they go back up before rotation or will this be the ceiling until rotation. thoughts?
Edit: I only have 3 and was actively using them now I have semi-decommissioned my UR-Delver and don't have a reason for them at ~30 dollars each thats nearly 1/2 a new deck with the staples I have now.
How much room for growth (if any) do you guys think Primeval titan has?
I think it has some room to grow. It hit $35 in Standard at one point, but it was THE defining card, thanks to Valakut at the time. The reprint really hurt it's price. I believe it bottomed at $8 at one point before getting back to its current price tag of $17.
Unfortunately the decks that Titan is in right now are not too strong. However a card doesn't have to be too strong to go up like crazy in Modern. I think (short of something crazy happening) its price ceiling is about $25. I would definitely get more opinions though.
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Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
If B/W decks start to see more play I think a good investment would be something like Zealous Persecution. At a TCG mid of $.82 it has room to grow even if it is an uncommon.
Auriok championis also likely to go up a bit in price of tokens does well.
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Mutavault more specifically on MTGO. Picked them up for ~20 dollars sometime last year, I was using them up until about a week ago that I noticed they had dropped from there ~28 dollar back down to 19-20. Will they go back up before rotation or will this be the ceiling until rotation. thoughts?
Edit: I only have 3 and was actively using them now I have semi-decommissioned my UR-Delver and don't have a reason for them at ~30 dollars each thats nearly 1/2 a new deck with the staples I have now.
I think you have seen the ceiling and it is on it's way down. There are probably going to be plenty of early sellers in the next couple of months and that will take the card down as people anticipate it's rotation. It is just not played in enough quantities in enough decks in Modern to maintain even $20. I would not be surprised to see it more like $10 in 6 months.
Note: all of those numbers are for MTGO, though the priciple goes for meatspace.
How much room for growth (if any) do you guys think Primeval titan has?
Growth? Not much IMO. It looks like it is maybe accurately valued at the moment ($18 tcg mid) and I cannot imagine it going past $20 baring an unforeseen spike. Scapeshift is a lightly played deck and unless it gets some kind of tech I don't see that changing significantly. As Val pointed out it is banned in EDH (and Sheldon really hates the things it does to the game so that is not going to change), and played no where else. With Modern and Casual as it's only supporters, and it being kinda fringe in Modern, I am a bit surprised it is more than $15.
One that I would keep an eye on is Choke (especially the Tempest edition). I am seeing it in more and more sideboards, and even though that does not usually cause huge spikes the card is $1 tcg mid, and you could probably easily snag deals off ebay.
I don't either, but it is more likely than the other Hatebears cards spiking.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Modern:
DredgeVine
EDH:
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Anima
Standard:
Wait until GP Minnesota, which is next weekend. You can expect another round of price spikes after this.
Torpor Orb
Grafdigger's Cage
Counterflux
Anger of the Gods
Scavenging Ooze
Melira, Sylvok Outcast
Leonin Arbiter
Rest in Peace
Restoration Angel
Stony Silence
Modern:
BR Control
Grixis Bloo
EDH:
Food Chain Prossh
Land Wipe Maelstrom Wanderer
Selvala, Hearth of the Wilds Eldrazi
Restoration Angel is the one that is most likely going to spike.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
None of those. All of those cards are known quantities. Its cards we dont see play now that get shown they are competitive in Modern next weekend are the cards that will spike. You have to watch the tournament to know what is going to spike.
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Scalding Tarn and Misty Rainforest were known quantities too. That didn't stop them from spiking.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
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WUBAd NauseamWUB
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WG Captain Sisay's LegendsWG
I personally am waiting until rotation to get them.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Not a bad call there, and probably the correct one, assuming most Standard players don't decide to hold them for modern, there will probably be a massive inventory dump as they all sell them off.
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I'm just sayin' that as a guy who had to fuss with $35 shocks when modern first started (and people were still buying them), waiting for them to get much lower than $9 sounds a little crazy. I would not be surprise if this is the cheapest they will be for years to come.
EDIT: I'll amend that a bit- Wait until rotation for Sacred Foundry for sure. That card's price has traditionally been one of the cheapest of the 10 so that leads me to think that it is being inflated a lot by Standard Boros.
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Just proving my point you dont understand how the system works or simple economics.
Edit: I only have 3 and was actively using them now I have semi-decommissioned my UR-Delver and don't have a reason for them at ~30 dollars each thats nearly 1/2 a new deck with the staples I have now.
I think it has some room to grow. It hit $35 in Standard at one point, but it was THE defining card, thanks to Valakut at the time. The reprint really hurt it's price. I believe it bottomed at $8 at one point before getting back to its current price tag of $17.
Unfortunately the decks that Titan is in right now are not too strong. However a card doesn't have to be too strong to go up like crazy in Modern. I think (short of something crazy happening) its price ceiling is about $25. I would definitely get more opinions though.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Auriok championis also likely to go up a bit in price of tokens does well.
WBB/W TokensWB
WUBAd NauseamWUB
- Commander
WG Captain Sisay's LegendsWG
WBB/W TokensWB
WUBAd NauseamWUB
- Commander
WG Captain Sisay's LegendsWG
While this is true, i has no potential for growth from any format other than Modern as it isn't used in Legacy and it is banned in Commander.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Note: all of those numbers are for MTGO, though the priciple goes for meatspace.
Growth? Not much IMO. It looks like it is maybe accurately valued at the moment ($18 tcg mid) and I cannot imagine it going past $20 baring an unforeseen spike. Scapeshift is a lightly played deck and unless it gets some kind of tech I don't see that changing significantly. As Val pointed out it is banned in EDH (and Sheldon really hates the things it does to the game so that is not going to change), and played no where else. With Modern and Casual as it's only supporters, and it being kinda fringe in Modern, I am a bit surprised it is more than $15.
One that I would keep an eye on is Choke (especially the Tempest edition). I am seeing it in more and more sideboards, and even though that does not usually cause huge spikes the card is $1 tcg mid, and you could probably easily snag deals off ebay.
Reprint Opt for Modern!!
FREE DIG THOROUGH TIME!
PLAY MORE ROUGE DECKS!