I can't wait to hear the obnoxiously ignorant Standard players at my LGS babble about how Modern is all BGx mirrors because they happened to be the final match.
GUYS I BARELY PAY ATTENTION TO MODERN AT ALL, BUT I SAW JUND PLAY JUNK AT A GP ONCE SO OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE THE ONLY DECKS IN THE FORMAT
Any chance that they will say that Modern is all Infect mirrors instead based on the featured quarterfinal?
In general the problem with "changing gears" is that you can draw the wrong half of your deck for the given situation. you can draw aggro when you need control and draw control when you need aggro.
Rock is the fairest deck in modern it is the "fun" police, it helps balance the format. Sometimes they are going to thoughsieze, crack fetch, 3/4 tarmogoyf and it seems unfair when you are holding a lightning bolt.
I think we might see a resurgence of the Rock hate decks like Living end.
It is offensive how bent out of shape people get about cards and their asinine jargon definition debates. Roughly a third of human deaths are the work of severe poverty(diarrhea, malnutrition, inadequate shelter, measles, etc) and very easily prevented, meanwhile there are cretins who find it in themselves to actually get angry over a ____ing card game.
Re-evaluate your passions and values.
Public Mod Note
():
Warning for censor evasion -ktkenshinx-
I can't wait to hear the obnoxiously ignorant Standard players at my LGS babble about how Modern is all BGx mirrors because they happened to be the final match.
GUYS I BARELY PAY ATTENTION TO MODERN AT ALL, BUT I SAW JUND PLAY JUNK AT A GP ONCE SO OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE THE ONLY DECKS IN THE FORMAT
Any chance that they will say that Modern is all Infect mirrors instead based on the featured quarterfinal?
I'm pretty sure most of them don't know that Infect is a deck, since when they do acknowledge another deck it's Pod, so that they can say that Modern is "Midrange the format".
The sad thing is that I hear it from Legacy players, too, who should know better given all the dumb ***** people spout about their format.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
*Insert giant block of annoying garbage that no one cares about but you have to scroll past anyway here*
I can't wait to hear the obnoxiously ignorant Standard players at my LGS babble about how Modern is all BGx mirrors because they happened to be the final match.
GUYS I BARELY PAY ATTENTION TO MODERN AT ALL, BUT I SAW JUND PLAY JUNK AT A GP ONCE SO OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE THE ONLY DECKS IN THE FORMAT
Any chance that they will say that Modern is all Infect mirrors instead based on the featured quarterfinal?
I'm pretty sure most of them don't know that Infect is a deck, since when they do acknowledge another deck it's Pod, so that they can say that Modern is "Midrange the format".
The sad thing is that I hear it from Legacy players, too, who should know better given all the dumb ***** people spout about their format.
As I always say, the vast majority of people are either stupid, ********s, or both. Most of the time though people are just inherently stupid.
It is offensive how bent out of shape people get about cards and their asinine jargon definition debates. Roughly a third of human deaths are the work of severe poverty(diarrhea, malnutrition, inadequate shelter, measles, etc) and very easily prevented, meanwhile there are cretins who find it in themselves to actually get angry over a ____ing card game.
Re-evaluate your passions and values.
Refusal to argue on the meaning of fair or unfair will not somehow solve or even slightly alleviate any of the problems you just mentioned. Suppose that argument on fair and unfair never came about. How many more people would live as a result of that? Zero. It has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on that.
The whole "why care about this when people are starving somewhere else?" has always been an awful argument.
In general the problem with "changing gears" is that you can draw the wrong half of your deck for the given situation. you can draw aggro when you need control and draw control when you need aggro.
Rock is the fairest deck in modern it is the "fun" police, it helps balance the format. Sometimes they are going to thoughsieze, crack fetch, 3/4 tarmogoyf and it seems unfair when you are holding a lightning bolt.
I think we might see a resurgence of the Rock hate decks like Living end.
Thats why GBx decks are so consistent. /sarcasm
The fairest of the fair decks is Zoo. It has a straight forward game plan and can not veer from it except for maybe a burn spell or 2. Yes GBx decks are more fair then full powered Storm or Scapeshift, but as we saw today, the GBx shell has too much going for it for most decks to beat it. Even a control deck pulling out every trick the deck has couldnt win the match. Fast Affinity or Infect were no match for GBx decks. I am not saying GBx decks are the most broken unfair deck in the format, they are not, they are too consistent, can switch gears on the fly mid game, and are very resilient to most decks in the format, I would say all but GBx has to have a bad match up out there.
In general the problem with "changing gears" is that you can draw the wrong half of your deck for the given situation. you can draw aggro when you need control and draw control when you need aggro.
Rock is the fairest deck in modern it is the "fun" police, it helps balance the format. Sometimes they are going to thoughsieze, crack fetch, 3/4 tarmogoyf and it seems unfair when you are holding a lightning bolt.
I think we might see a resurgence of the Rock hate decks like Living end.
Thats why GBx decks are so consistent. /sarcasm
The fairest of the fair decks is Zoo. It has a straight forward game plan and can not veer from it except for maybe a burn spell or 2. Yes GBx decks are more fair then full powered Storm or Scapeshift, but as we saw today, the GBx shell has too much going for it for most decks to beat it. Even a control deck pulling out every trick the deck has couldnt win the match. Fast Affinity or Infect were no match for GBx decks. I am not saying GBx decks are the most broken unfair deck in the format, they are not, they are too consistent, can switch gears on the fly mid game, and are very resilient to most decks in the format, I would say all but GBx has to have a bad match up out there.
Even BGx has its bad matchups (Tron, Burn, and a few others).
In general the problem with "changing gears" is that you can draw the wrong half of your deck for the given situation. you can draw aggro when you need control and draw control when you need aggro.
Rock is the fairest deck in modern it is the "fun" police, it helps balance the format. Sometimes they are going to thoughsieze, crack fetch, 3/4 tarmogoyf and it seems unfair when you are holding a lightning bolt.
I think we might see a resurgence of the Rock hate decks like Living end.
Thats why GBx decks are so consistent. /sarcasm
The fairest of the fair decks is Zoo. It has a straight forward game plan and can not veer from it except for maybe a burn spell or 2. Yes GBx decks are more fair then full powered Storm or Scapeshift, but as we saw today, the GBx shell has too much going for it for most decks to beat it. Even a control deck pulling out every trick the deck has couldnt win the match. Fast Affinity or Infect were no match for GBx decks. I am not saying GBx decks are the most broken unfair deck in the format, they are not, they are too consistent, can switch gears on the fly mid game, and are very resilient to most decks in the format, I would say all but GBx has to have a bad match up out there.
Even BGx has its bad matchups (Tron, Burn, and a few others).
Which Tron? R/G? Yes Gbx decks have a problem with speed, but as we saw today that can be nullified with tight play.
In general the problem with "changing gears" is that you can draw the wrong half of your deck for the given situation. you can draw aggro when you need control and draw control when you need aggro.
Rock is the fairest deck in modern it is the "fun" police, it helps balance the format. Sometimes they are going to thoughsieze, crack fetch, 3/4 tarmogoyf and it seems unfair when you are holding a lightning bolt.
I think we might see a resurgence of the Rock hate decks like Living end.
Thats why GBx decks are so consistent. /sarcasm
The fairest of the fair decks is Zoo. It has a straight forward game plan and can not veer from it except for maybe a burn spell or 2. Yes GBx decks are more fair then full powered Storm or Scapeshift, but as we saw today, the GBx shell has too much going for it for most decks to beat it. Even a control deck pulling out every trick the deck has couldnt win the match. Fast Affinity or Infect were no match for GBx decks. I am not saying GBx decks are the most broken unfair deck in the format, they are not, they are too consistent, can switch gears on the fly mid game, and are very resilient to most decks in the format, I would say all but GBx has to have a bad match up out there.
Did you see that game from BG/x vs. UWR Control piloted by Jackie Lee? She got insane value from her Wall of Omens and Restoration Angels and a Sphinx's Revelation of the top for 6 basically ended the game. That is what control is supposed to do and yet is doesn't happen regularly enough.
I have talked about that often enough but that would be easily changeable. A quick look over the ban list is all that is needed to see that.
The irrational fear for blue is laughable anyway considering the status that the BG/x decks have in Modern because the only thing that it has accomplished is that you have BG/x decks fun policing the format instead of a blue control deck. BG/x decks will rip your hand apart and destroy your stuff just like every other control deck would do too.
In general the problem with "changing gears" is that you can draw the wrong half of your deck for the given situation. you can draw aggro when you need control and draw control when you need aggro.
Rock is the fairest deck in modern it is the "fun" police, it helps balance the format. Sometimes they are going to thoughsieze, crack fetch, 3/4 tarmogoyf and it seems unfair when you are holding a lightning bolt.
I think we might see a resurgence of the Rock hate decks like Living end.
Thats why GBx decks are so consistent. /sarcasm
The fairest of the fair decks is Zoo. It has a straight forward game plan and can not veer from it except for maybe a burn spell or 2. Yes GBx decks are more fair then full powered Storm or Scapeshift, but as we saw today, the GBx shell has too much going for it for most decks to beat it. Even a control deck pulling out every trick the deck has couldnt win the match. Fast Affinity or Infect were no match for GBx decks. I am not saying GBx decks are the most broken unfair deck in the format, they are not, they are too consistent, can switch gears on the fly mid game, and are very resilient to most decks in the format, I would say all but GBx has to have a bad match up out there.
None of which makes it "unfair", given what "unfair" means in magic parlance. It is a homonym with the normal meaning of "unfair", but not a synonym.
Gotta agree with the guy on the last page who says that argument is dumb and we could all focus our time on things that actually matter in some way, but if I only spent my life caring about things that make me depressed I'd have killed myself by now.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
*Insert giant block of annoying garbage that no one cares about but you have to scroll past anyway here*
Yeah, I'm looking for the T16 as well but it seems that it wasn't posted. Nevertheless, if you saw any of these names on video, then please post what deck they were playing:
Karsten, Frank - Affinity
Holiday, Nathan - Melira Pod
Wilson, Jacob - Melira Pod
Elenbogen, Andrew
Kastel, Chad - Junk
Musser, Daniel
Green, Jeff
Lee, Mon
I like how the article says that no one was surprised that he was playing Esper, when everyone was surprised that he was playing Esper.
What are you talking about? It's not even a little surprising for anyone that's followed Wafo-Tapa throughout the years.
It's surprising to everyone who has been saying that Esper isn't Modern viable. Presumably the expectation would be that he'd play, y'know, maybe that deck that's named after him or something. Or hell, probably straight UW or even Grixis would be expected before Esper.
I mean, no one is surprised that he's playing control. But Esper specifically? Look at how many people are clamoring for the decklist, and how many were hoping he'd do well or get a feature match. No one was expecting Esper to be anywhere near the top tables in this event.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
*Insert giant block of annoying garbage that no one cares about but you have to scroll past anyway here*
I like how the article says that no one was surprised that he was playing Esper, when everyone was surprised that he was playing Esper.
What are you talking about? It's not even a little surprising for anyone that's followed Wafo-Tapa throughout the years.
All u need to do is read the "is esper viable in modern thread" halfway down the page and ull see why anyone who plays modern is shocked anyone is playing esper.... The fact that he was playing it after uwr draw go was named after him making it even more so
There's a ton of variety in modern from what I saw. I played against Jund twice, Merfolk, and then some quasi-homebrews; U/B/x Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas Control, elves, and mono-blue delver. I lost my first three games (playing merfolk) so I ended up in the bottom zone, but my buddies who won their first couple games played a lot of Pod, splinter twin, and scapeshift. There's a lot of variety but that doesn't take away from the versatility, speed, and consistency of Jund / Junk over the other decks. It's not as fast as affinity, as situationaly responsive as pod, or as controlling as any control deck, but it does all of them extremely well and has fewer downsides than the others. It feels like to have a chance you need a good draw against a bad jund / junk draw, and good top decks vs their bad top decks, or high bob damage. When given a decent start Jund / junk can just take off into the lead and never let go.
Yeah, I'm looking for the T16 as well but it seems that it wasn't posted. Nevertheless, if you saw any of these names on video, then please post what deck they were playing:
Karsten, Frank - Affinity
Holiday, Nathan - Melira Pod
Wilson, Jacob - Melira Pod
Elenbogen, Andrew
Kastel, Chad - Junk
Musser, Daniel
Green, Jeff
Lee, Mon
IIRC Mon Lee was playing a RWU variant. Not too far off the standard version in most respects, but more aggro with Geist of Saint Traft.
Apparently there's no archive for the video so I can't confirm. I definitely watched that deck being played and I'm pretty sure Mon Lee was the one playing it.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
When you peer long enough through the depths, the depths peer also through you.
In general the problem with "changing gears" is that you can draw the wrong half of your deck for the given situation. you can draw aggro when you need control and draw control when you need aggro.
Rock is the fairest deck in modern it is the "fun" police, it helps balance the format. Sometimes they are going to thoughsieze, crack fetch, 3/4 tarmogoyf and it seems unfair when you are holding a lightning bolt.
I think we might see a resurgence of the Rock hate decks like Living end.
Thats why GBx decks are so consistent. /sarcasm
The fairest of the fair decks is Zoo. It has a straight forward game plan and can not veer from it except for maybe a burn spell or 2. Yes GBx decks are more fair then full powered Storm or Scapeshift, but as we saw today, the GBx shell has too much going for it for most decks to beat it. Even a control deck pulling out every trick the deck has couldnt win the match. Fast Affinity or Infect were no match for GBx decks. I am not saying GBx decks are the most broken unfair deck in the format, they are not, they are too consistent, can switch gears on the fly mid game, and are very resilient to most decks in the format, I would say all but GBx has to have a bad match up out there.
None of which makes it "unfair", given what "unfair" means in magic parlance. It is a homonym with the normal meaning of "unfair", but not a synonym.
Its a subjective idea, not everyone has the same definition as you do to unfair/fair decks.
Gotta agree with the guy on the last page who says that argument is dumb and we could all focus our time on things that actually matter in some way, but if I only spent my life caring about things that make me depressed I'd have killed myself by now.
Come to a Magic site and complain about the Magic talk, sounds like a good idea.
Quote from Galerion »
Did you see that game from BG/x vs. UWR Control piloted by Jackie Lee? She got insane value from her Wall of Omens and Restoration Angels and a Sphinx's Revelation of the top for 6 basically ended the game. That is what control is supposed to do and yet is doesn't happen regularly enough.
I have talked about that often enough but that would be easily changeable. A quick look over the ban list is all that is needed to see that.
The irrational fear for blue is laughable anyway considering the status that the BG/x decks have in Modern because the only thing that it has accomplished is that you have BG/x decks fun policing the format instead of a blue control deck. BG/x decks will rip your hand apart and destroy your stuff just like every other control deck would do too.
If you have read anything I have ever written about Modern, one thing I am so happy about is its not a blue based format like other older formats. You can play any color you wish and have a shot at making top 8-16. Its not a fear of blue, its liking diversity. There is nothing on the ban list that could help blue without shifting the format toward blue. SO I am fine with how the format is right now. If you notice, I have not asked for something be done about GBx decks.
I also wanted to alert the thread to be on the lookout for the knowledge pool teferi combo deck that day 2'd--it was a rumor at the end of day 1 on the floor that it was something like X-2 and super spicy.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
Any chance that they will say that Modern is all Infect mirrors instead based on the featured quarterfinal?
And Tron.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
also, despite all the hate and bans that GBx has received over the years, its crazy its still so powerful.
Re-evaluate your passions and values.
I'm pretty sure most of them don't know that Infect is a deck, since when they do acknowledge another deck it's Pod, so that they can say that Modern is "Midrange the format".
The sad thing is that I hear it from Legacy players, too, who should know better given all the dumb ***** people spout about their format.
As I always say, the vast majority of people are either stupid, ********s, or both. Most of the time though people are just inherently stupid.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
The biggest surprise to me about this gp is how many burn players cheesed their way into day 2.
The whole "why care about this when people are starving somewhere else?" has always been an awful argument.
Thats why GBx decks are so consistent. /sarcasm
The fairest of the fair decks is Zoo. It has a straight forward game plan and can not veer from it except for maybe a burn spell or 2. Yes GBx decks are more fair then full powered Storm or Scapeshift, but as we saw today, the GBx shell has too much going for it for most decks to beat it. Even a control deck pulling out every trick the deck has couldnt win the match. Fast Affinity or Infect were no match for GBx decks. I am not saying GBx decks are the most broken unfair deck in the format, they are not, they are too consistent, can switch gears on the fly mid game, and are very resilient to most decks in the format, I would say all but GBx has to have a bad match up out there.
Even BGx has its bad matchups (Tron, Burn, and a few others).
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Which Tron? R/G? Yes Gbx decks have a problem with speed, but as we saw today that can be nullified with tight play.
Did you see that game from BG/x vs. UWR Control piloted by Jackie Lee? She got insane value from her Wall of Omens and Restoration Angels and a Sphinx's Revelation of the top for 6 basically ended the game. That is what control is supposed to do and yet is doesn't happen regularly enough.
I have talked about that often enough but that would be easily changeable. A quick look over the ban list is all that is needed to see that.
The irrational fear for blue is laughable anyway considering the status that the BG/x decks have in Modern because the only thing that it has accomplished is that you have BG/x decks fun policing the format instead of a blue control deck. BG/x decks will rip your hand apart and destroy your stuff just like every other control deck would do too.
None of which makes it "unfair", given what "unfair" means in magic parlance. It is a homonym with the normal meaning of "unfair", but not a synonym.
Gotta agree with the guy on the last page who says that argument is dumb and we could all focus our time on things that actually matter in some way, but if I only spent my life caring about things that make me depressed I'd have killed myself by now.
He got no coverage. He was in the wrong room on day 1 and somehow didn't get coverage on day 2.
I am still looking for the full top 16.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Karsten, Frank - Affinity
Holiday, Nathan - Melira Pod
Wilson, Jacob - Melira Pod
Elenbogen, Andrew
Kastel, Chad - Junk
Musser, Daniel
Green, Jeff
Lee, Mon
| Ad Nauseam
| Infect
Big Johnny.
The only "coverage" of Wafo-Tapa was a small portion of an article describing Wafo-Tapa's round 9 match:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpbos14/r7wrap
WURUWr Stoneblade
Modern
WRGNaya Zoo Company
What are you talking about? It's not even a little surprising for anyone that's followed Wafo-Tapa throughout the years.
It's surprising to everyone who has been saying that Esper isn't Modern viable. Presumably the expectation would be that he'd play, y'know, maybe that deck that's named after him or something. Or hell, probably straight UW or even Grixis would be expected before Esper.
I mean, no one is surprised that he's playing control. But Esper specifically? Look at how many people are clamoring for the decklist, and how many were hoping he'd do well or get a feature match. No one was expecting Esper to be anywhere near the top tables in this event.
All u need to do is read the "is esper viable in modern thread" halfway down the page and ull see why anyone who plays modern is shocked anyone is playing esper.... The fact that he was playing it after uwr draw go was named after him making it even more so
Apparently there's no archive for the video so I can't confirm. I definitely watched that deck being played and I'm pretty sure Mon Lee was the one playing it.
Bloodbraid Elf...
Deathrite Shaman...
It's obviously time to ban Thoughtseize, Liliana, and 'Goyf.
(I'm kidding. Seriously, give me back BBE. )
Standard: I, for one, welcome our new rhinoceros overlords
Modern: Pod's dead, Bob's back.
Legacy: Lands, Deathblade, Death and Taxes, Elves, MUD
Retired Legacy: Merfolk, Goblins, Jund, Delver, Reanimator
Its a subjective idea, not everyone has the same definition as you do to unfair/fair decks.
Come to a Magic site and complain about the Magic talk, sounds like a good idea.
If you have read anything I have ever written about Modern, one thing I am so happy about is its not a blue based format like other older formats. You can play any color you wish and have a shot at making top 8-16. Its not a fear of blue, its liking diversity. There is nothing on the ban list that could help blue without shifting the format toward blue. SO I am fine with how the format is right now. If you notice, I have not asked for something be done about GBx decks.