That's good to know. The guy who plays these decks actually hasn't been around for about half a year, so I haven't seen anything in that long. Yeah I didn't realize that Polymorph is in the list. It's pretty spicy, althought you could just as easily do a pure Polymorph deck. It's a hybrid deck. I do admit that it's pretty cool any time a "new" list does well. I just had a feeling that some people believed that the guy completely played a rogue brew when it clearly wasn't.
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That's good to know. The guy who plays these decks actually hasn't been around for about half a year, so I haven't seen anything in that long. Yeah I didn't realize that Polymorph is in the list. It's pretty spicy, althought you could just as easily do a pure Polymorph deck. It's a hybrid deck. I do admit that it's pretty cool any time a "new" list does well. I just had a feeling that some people believed that the guy completely played a rogue brew when it clearly wasn't.
I'm not 100% positive, but from your post here, it seems to me that you're under the impression that this is an 'Eggs' deck that has a few cards changed to accommodate the addition of Polymorph. If you actually take a good close look at the decklist, you'll see that this deck doesn't play ANYTHING like a traditional eggs list. The list lacks Lotus Bloom, Reshape, and Faith's Reward as well as a traditional Egg's finisher such as Banefire, Pyrite Spellbomb, Codex Shredder, or Grinding Station. Without these cards, this deck can never really 'combo off' like a tradtional eggs deck and take those 15-20 minute turns that Eggs is notorious for.
Have you guys not been following eggs since the bannings? This is basically Conley Woods' list with a few tweaks for polymorph, look at his deck tech from the GP scapeshift won (sorry can't remember the name).
While Goyf is powerful, I can't see how you could justify cutting Ravager for it.
Because he didn't cut Ravager for it. He built a completely new deck. That deck is not anything near the Traditional Modern Affinity shell. About ~1/3 of the cards are different.
If you were to take a normal Affinity list -Ravager +Goyf, yeah it would be pretty bad. But he didn't do that.
I suppose that that is true. I just can't see how this would be better than normal affinity other than it being unexpected. Cutting Etched Champion and Arcbound Ravager to be able to support Tarmogoyf doesn't seem like a good tradeoff to me. I do like Ensoul Artifact and Shrapnel Blast though.
It's just fundamentally not an affinity deck. The deck lacks a lot of the synergy that affinity has where it can play a bunch of small guys and pump them up with signal pests, overseers, master of etherium and ravager. That swarm approach has been replaced by a new strategy where they play single threats that are hard to deal with using Cranial Plating, Ensoul Artifact and Tarmogoyf and then finishes the opponent with the most powerful burn in the format. This is a deck that can play T1 Baneslayer, T2 Goyf and then kill you t3 with burn.
While Goyf is powerful, I can't see how you could justify cutting Ravager for it.
Because he didn't cut Ravager for it. He built a completely new deck. That deck is not anything near the Traditional Modern Affinity shell. About ~1/3 of the cards are different.
If you were to take a normal Affinity list -Ravager +Goyf, yeah it would be pretty bad. But he didn't do that.
I suppose that that is true. I just can't see how this would be better than normal affinity other than it being unexpected. Cutting Etched Champion and Arcbound Ravager to be able to support Tarmogoyf doesn't seem like a good tradeoff to me. I do like Ensoul Artifact and Shrapnel Blast though.
It's just fundamentally not an affinity deck. The deck lacks a lot of the synergy that affinity has where it can play a bunch of small guys and pump them up with signal pests, overseers, master of etherium and ravager. That swarm approach has been replaced by a new strategy where they play single threats that are hard to deal with using Cranial Plating, Ensoul Artifact and Tarmogoyf and then finishes the opponent with the most powerful burn in the format. This is a deck that can play T1 Baneslayer, T2 Goyf and then kill you t3 with burn.
Here is my question. Why Goyf? I understand why one would want to avoid hate, but he is playing Chromatic Star primarily for Goyf. That means that it is taking up 8 slots. And I personally would prefer Ravager and Overseer in those slots. I'd even say that he is running maindeck Thoughtseizes primarily because of Goyf. 6 slots to make Goyf run optimally+4 slots for Goyf definitely seems like too much.
Have you guys not been following eggs since the bannings? This is basically Conley Woods' list with a few tweaks for polymorph, look at his deck tech from the GP scapeshift won (sorry can't remember the name).
Once again, you people are really not looking at this polymorph decklist very well at all if you're comparing it to traditional post-banning KCI Eggs. Conley Woods deck still has Reshape, Faith's Reward, Lotus Bloom, Banefire, and Codex Shredder, staples of the traditional KCI Eggs deck, which this Polymorph version of the deck doesn't run. Without both Open the Vaults AND Faith's reward, this polymorph version can't reliably every 'combo off' the way KCI Eggs does. The fact that this deck runs the more expensive Open the Vaults over the cheaper Faith's Reward tells me the deck cracks eggs as the turns go instead of building critical mass to combo out with, which means the deck plays quite a bit differently than traditional eggs too.
Chromatic Star replaces itself if it dies while ensouled.
I know that. Same goes for if it is Shrapnel Blasted. But honestly, it is not what I would want to be running in an aggro deck if I wasn't trying to support Goyf.
Chromatic Star replaces itself if it dies while ensouled.
I know that. Same goes for if it is Shrapnel Blasted. But honestly, it is not what I would want to be running in an aggro deck if I wasn't trying to support Goyf.
You don't need it to cast goyf. You have 14 sources of Green mana without it, it's just a card that's good with the rest of the deck (cheap artifact that you can sacrifice without any harsh feelings). It isn't necessary to support Goyf (although you can use it to cast him if needed). I've played mono green stompy decks with less than 14 sources of green mana, he's fine.
Man if you sac an artifact to foundry you gain 1 life then sac it to KCI you get 1 total net mana. Insane engine to not die. Can't believe I didn't see that interaction hahahhaa.
Chromatic Star replaces itself if it dies while ensouled.
I know that. Same goes for if it is Shrapnel Blasted. But honestly, it is not what I would want to be running in an aggro deck if I wasn't trying to support Goyf.
You don't need it to cast goyf. You have 14 sources of Green mana without it, it's just a card that's good with the rest of the deck (cheap artifact that you can sacrifice without any harsh feelings). It isn't necessary to support Goyf (although you can use it to cast him if needed). I've played mono green stompy decks with less than 14 sources of green mana, he's fine.
That wasn't what I meant. I meant that it was a nice way to get an artifact into the graveyard. If you have a Goyf but don't have Ensoul Artifact or Shrapnel Blast, you aren't getting any artifacts into your graveyard any time soon because your creatures often aren't worth removing. Star helps with that.
While Goyf is powerful, I can't see how you could justify cutting Ravager for it.
Because he didn't cut Ravager for it. He built a completely new deck. That deck is not anything near the Traditional Modern Affinity shell. About ~1/3 of the cards are different.
If you were to take a normal Affinity list -Ravager +Goyf, yeah it would be pretty bad. But he didn't do that.
I suppose that that is true. I just can't see how this would be better than normal affinity other than it being unexpected. Cutting Etched Champion and Arcbound Ravager to be able to support Tarmogoyf doesn't seem like a good tradeoff to me. I do like Ensoul Artifact and Shrapnel Blast though.
It's just fundamentally not an affinity deck. The deck lacks a lot of the synergy that affinity has where it can play a bunch of small guys and pump them up with signal pests, overseers, master of etherium and ravager. That swarm approach has been replaced by a new strategy where they play single threats that are hard to deal with using Cranial Plating, Ensoul Artifact and Tarmogoyf and then finishes the opponent with the most powerful burn in the format. This is a deck that can play T1 Baneslayer, T2 Goyf and then kill you t3 with burn.
Here is my question. Why Goyf? I understand why one would want to avoid hate, but he is playing Chromatic Star primarily for Goyf. That means that it is taking up 8 slots. And I personally would prefer Ravager and Overseer in those slots. I'd even say that he is running maindeck Thoughtseizes primarily because of Goyf. 6 slots to make Goyf run optimally+4 slots for Goyf definitely seems like too much.
It's a different type of deck. The goyfaffinity deck is designed foremost as an "aggro" deck designed to count to 20. As such it is relatively more "consistent" but has fewer explosive starts.
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It's just fundamentally not an affinity deck. The deck lacks a lot of the synergy that affinity has where it can play a bunch of small guys and pump them up with signal pests, overseers, master of etherium and ravager. That swarm approach has been replaced by a new strategy where they play single threats that are hard to deal with using Cranial Plating, Ensoul Artifact and Tarmogoyf and then finishes the opponent with the most powerful burn in the format. This is a deck that can play T1 Baneslayer, T2 Goyf and then kill you t3 with burn.
Here is my question. Why Goyf? I understand why one would want to avoid hate, but he is playing Chromatic Star primarily for Goyf. That means that it is taking up 8 slots. And I personally would prefer Ravager and Overseer in those slots. I'd even say that he is running maindeck Thoughtseizes primarily because of Goyf. 6 slots to make Goyf run optimally+4 slots for Goyf definitely seems like too much.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Once again, you people are really not looking at this polymorph decklist very well at all if you're comparing it to traditional post-banning KCI Eggs. Conley Woods deck still has Reshape, Faith's Reward, Lotus Bloom, Banefire, and Codex Shredder, staples of the traditional KCI Eggs deck, which this Polymorph version of the deck doesn't run. Without both Open the Vaults AND Faith's reward, this polymorph version can't reliably every 'combo off' the way KCI Eggs does. The fact that this deck runs the more expensive Open the Vaults over the cheaper Faith's Reward tells me the deck cracks eggs as the turns go instead of building critical mass to combo out with, which means the deck plays quite a bit differently than traditional eggs too.
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U Tetsuko Umezawa, Fugitive
RG Zilortha, Strength Incarnate
WB Amalia Benavides Aguirre
I know that. Same goes for if it is Shrapnel Blasted. But honestly, it is not what I would want to be running in an aggro deck if I wasn't trying to support Goyf.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
You don't need it to cast goyf. You have 14 sources of Green mana without it, it's just a card that's good with the rest of the deck (cheap artifact that you can sacrifice without any harsh feelings). It isn't necessary to support Goyf (although you can use it to cast him if needed). I've played mono green stompy decks with less than 14 sources of green mana, he's fine.
That wasn't what I meant. I meant that it was a nice way to get an artifact into the graveyard. If you have a Goyf but don't have Ensoul Artifact or Shrapnel Blast, you aren't getting any artifacts into your graveyard any time soon because your creatures often aren't worth removing. Star helps with that.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
It's a different type of deck. The goyfaffinity deck is designed foremost as an "aggro" deck designed to count to 20. As such it is relatively more "consistent" but has fewer explosive starts.
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