So how much does a deck need to be valued at (TCG Mid) before it isn't considered Budget?
I think this is an interesting discussion in light of the Fetch land reprint.
A budget deck is when you make a deck using alternative choices based solely on price. A fully non-budget Bogles deck is cheaper than many budget Jund decks, but because it is made with the optimal choices it is not budget.
Yeah, your deck can be cheap, but it becomes budget once you try to start replace proven cards with ones that have similar, but not quite the same effects. If you are talking about money restrictions, then each person has their own budget. Someone could afford Jund, but not be ready to shell out the 800$ for Goyfs which is understandable seeing as almost the whole other deck is around 800$ if you can find it cheap enough. This would put them on a 'budget' per say, but to everyone else it wouldn't be because they wouldn't be prepared to drop so much money on the Jund-minus-4-cards-deck. That's how I see it anyways.
I agree that once you start building with sub par cards, or even less optimal cards on the basis of price and not testing, you move into budget. Having said that, for a long time Burn was budget, as is infect, when it comes to building cheap, but powerful decks.But the reason they are (were) cheap is because they don't put up consistent results. While not true for Burn so much, Infect is still the same. Storm could be considered a Budget tier one deck as other than fetches it can be had for pennies on Junds dollars.
So what if I build a Jund deck without the Goyfs, but pimp out everything else. Think Foil Russian Bobs, Lili's old school shocks, Full Art Basics, and Thoughtsiezes. The street value of the deck is now 3-4 times what the value of an English, non-foil, RTR build is even with the Goyfs. Still Budget?
It depends, are you not playing goyf because you don't want to pay the price for goyfs, or you think you have found a better alternative? Pimp goyf's are what 600 a piece?
What is the point of determining whether or not something is 'budget'?
The deck you mention isn't budget, its just MISSING cards.
running a jund deck with arenas and scavenging ooze, obstinate baloths, with terramorphic expanse instead of your 5-8 fetch, without bob or goyf is budget.
If you want to build a non-substituted budget deck as its really played, I make the distinction in two or three ways:
tier deck: $400-$650, entry/budget
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tier deck: $651-$999, cheap end
tier deck: $1k-1.5k, average
tier deck: $1.5k-Jund, expensive
Thats relative to modern, with stuff not pimped but in good condition. Its RELATIVE to modern, not peoples income.
So what if I build a Jund deck without the Goyfs, but pimp out everything else. Think Foil Russian Bobs, Lili's old school shocks, Full Art Basics, and Thoughtsiezes. The street value of the deck is now 3-4 times what the value of an English, non-foil, RTR build is even with the Goyfs. Still Budget?
This is exactly what I did with UR Delver. Full set of foil Snapcasters, foil Delvers, judge foil SoFaI, foil Sulfur Falls, ZEN Basics, etc... but no fetches. I did this because I could justify the pimpage. Foil Snapcaster is always going to retain value, foil Delver will retain value until a better blue one drop is printed (which I don't find too likely), judge foil SoFaI is the most pimp for people who don't like Modern borders, foil Sulfur Falls is in a lot of UR decks in Modern and I see it going up, ZEN basics are going up.
I found absolutely zero reason to justify the fetches, especially since I don't have too much time for Magic and don't play super competitively. They were nearing $100 a piece when I built the deck and I am so glad I didn't buy in. The crash was inevitable. Of course now that they've been reprinted, my goal is to get a foil playset of each fetch, but now I can justify it because I saw the foil shocks soar after rotation.
So, as a financially concerned chronic pimper, I think as long as you make a deck-building decision KNOWING that it will hurt your deck, it doesn't really matter how much the whole thing costs- it's budget.
So what if I build a Jund deck without the Goyfs, but pimp out everything else. Think Foil Russian Bobs, Lili's old school shocks, Full Art Basics, and Thoughtsiezes. The street value of the deck is now 3-4 times what the value of an English, non-foil, RTR build is even with the Goyfs. Still Budget?
Yes it's still a budget deck. The term budget is used because people commonly use a different card to save money. Making a choice you know is inferior just for cost reasons makes it a budget deck no matter what the total cost is. I could sleeve hundred dollar bills behind my Putrid Leeches in a budget jund deck, but that doesn't make it not budget.
So on episode 38 of So Many Insane Playshttps://twitter.com/ManyInsanePlaysKevin & Steve talk about how budget concerns affect the decks of Vintage on MTGO. With Vintage Masters everyone is more or less starting in the same place. The concept of a "Budget" deck and it's implications are discussed. Can Modern players take anything away from this?
From what I've seen, budget usually means "I have this much to spend on a deck and rather than playing a cheap deck, I wanna play one that would normally cost three to five times that. How can I build it while remaining within my budget?" I don't think there's any set meaning for it. In Legacy, you could play Stax with Humility instead of Moat and it would technically be a "budget" version of the deck, even though we're still looking at a couple thousand dollars to complete it.
Unless, your not running moat due to too many things flying at you
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I think this is an interesting discussion in light of the Fetch land reprint.
There's no set level. It honestly depends on what everything costs. If the average deck costs $1000 for example $200 is going to seem fairly budget.
A budget deck is when you make a deck using alternative choices based solely on price. A fully non-budget Bogles deck is cheaper than many budget Jund decks, but because it is made with the optimal choices it is not budget.
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The deck you mention isn't budget, its just MISSING cards.
running a jund deck with arenas and scavenging ooze, obstinate baloths, with terramorphic expanse instead of your 5-8 fetch, without bob or goyf is budget.
If you want to build a non-substituted budget deck as its really played, I make the distinction in two or three ways:
tier deck: $400-$650, entry/budget
-
tier deck: $651-$999, cheap end
tier deck: $1k-1.5k, average
tier deck: $1.5k-Jund, expensive
Thats relative to modern, with stuff not pimped but in good condition. Its RELATIVE to modern, not peoples income.
This is exactly what I did with UR Delver. Full set of foil Snapcasters, foil Delvers, judge foil SoFaI, foil Sulfur Falls, ZEN Basics, etc... but no fetches. I did this because I could justify the pimpage. Foil Snapcaster is always going to retain value, foil Delver will retain value until a better blue one drop is printed (which I don't find too likely), judge foil SoFaI is the most pimp for people who don't like Modern borders, foil Sulfur Falls is in a lot of UR decks in Modern and I see it going up, ZEN basics are going up.
I found absolutely zero reason to justify the fetches, especially since I don't have too much time for Magic and don't play super competitively. They were nearing $100 a piece when I built the deck and I am so glad I didn't buy in. The crash was inevitable. Of course now that they've been reprinted, my goal is to get a foil playset of each fetch, but now I can justify it because I saw the foil shocks soar after rotation.
So, as a financially concerned chronic pimper, I think as long as you make a deck-building decision KNOWING that it will hurt your deck, it doesn't really matter how much the whole thing costs- it's budget.
Yes it's still a budget deck. The term budget is used because people commonly use a different card to save money. Making a choice you know is inferior just for cost reasons makes it a budget deck no matter what the total cost is. I could sleeve hundred dollar bills behind my Putrid Leeches in a budget jund deck, but that doesn't make it not budget.
Unless, your not running moat due to too many things flying at you