All of this was done with a few larger goals in mind. First, this was Eternal Masters, meaning it was leaning toward having cards more relevant to older formats. Cards were allowed from Modern-legal sets, but the design team leaned away from powerful Modern cards, leaving those for future Modern Masters sets and instead focusing on cards that either played well in Eternal formats or worked well with the old-school archetypes the draft was built around.
This is what I was suspecting. I still expect us to get some Modern legal cards, but only those are Eternal staples. The only Modern legal card that I would say is almost a lock is Chalice of the Void, it's used in some modern decks but much more in Legacy /Vintage. Would be very surprised not to see it in the set. I could see Aether Vial, Inkmoth Nexus, and Goblin Guide being in the set as well, since all are played in Legacy.
Goyf and Lily are almost 100% not in the set. They are played in Legacy of course, but these are cards that WotC wants to save for MM17. I think Snapcaster Mage is also very unlikely as well. And same goes for some of the more niche modern playables like Scapeshift, Through the Breach, Ensnaring Bridge, etc that are played in Modern but rarely if at all in Legacy.
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Current Modern decks BGW Junk / URB Grixis Shadow / RGB Lantern Control / WUBCBant Eldrazi
Current Legacy decks BUG Shardless BUG / UWR Predict Miracles / RUG Canadian Thresh / WRBG 4c Loam UB Reanimator
Well nothing Modern today. This is going to be heavily non-modern for sure but hopefully there are some goodies like Thoughtseize, Inquisition, even Tarmogoyf! With the spoiling of Jace, The Mind Sculptor hopefully it means Liliana of the Veil can be in the set too as it's been said before that she's too much for Standard.
Does anyone know if there is a limit on how new the sets EM can be? I only ask because I am really hoping a reprint of Young Pyromancer with better art.
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In play: Jund Death Shadow, Grixis Control, Eldrazi Stompy, Ponza
In the yard: RUG Delver, Kiki-Chord, Grixis Twin, Mardu Control, Smallpox, Jeskai Control, Jeskai Delver, Assault Loam, Elves, Deathcloud, Eggs, Storm
Does anyone know if there is a limit on how new the sets EM can be? I only ask because I am really hoping a reprint of Young Pyromancer with better art.
I haven't heard of one, and Deathrite Shaman is included and a recent printing.
Is this set legal in modern or not? If not then why are we talking about this here? I don't see any legacy card discussion here then why are we talking about this.
Is this set legal in modern or not? If not then why are we talking about this here? I don't see any legacy card discussion here then why are we talking about this.
It is not, but we know it will include modern legal cards, so people can hope and speculate (and rage) about potential modern relevant reprints.
This set is meant for Legacy and Commander mostly. There are chances that we will see Modern legal cards in it too but I'm pretty sure there won't be many of them.
SDT, also another good reprint for if we're allowed to have nice things (we aren't, but one can dream).
Elves seems to be one of the draft archetypes, but Shaman of the Pack isn't exactly a card in "needs reprints now" territory. But when you have Elves as a draft archetype, that's practically open admission that Heritage Druid will be a card, and that's a card worth reprinting for sure.
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If Countertop Miracles gets more support in the set, I'm sure it'll spike the price of Flooded Strand. Reminder to grab fetches while they're still cheap, I guess.
SDT, also another good reprint for if we're allowed to have nice things (we aren't, but one can dream).
Elves seems to be one of the draft archetypes, but Shaman of the Pack isn't exactly a card in "needs reprints now" territory. But when you have Elves as a draft archetype, that's practically open admission that Heritage Druid will be a card, and that's a card worth reprinting for sure.
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If Countertop Miracles gets more support in the set, I'm sure it'll spike the price of Flooded Strand. Reminder to grab fetches while they're still cheap, I guess.
All of the spike value from a legacy perspective is going straight into the reserved list cards. KTK fetches are so plentiful that we need to look at 'spikes' in the context of years.
SDT, also another good reprint for if we're allowed to have nice things (we aren't, but one can dream).
Elves seems to be one of the draft archetypes, but Shaman of the Pack isn't exactly a card in "needs reprints now" territory. But when you have Elves as a draft archetype, that's practically open admission that Heritage Druid will be a card, and that's a card worth reprinting for sure.
Tangent:
If Countertop Miracles gets more support in the set, I'm sure it'll spike the price of Flooded Strand. Reminder to grab fetches while they're still cheap, I guess.
All of the spike value from a legacy perspective is going straight into the reserved list cards. KTK fetches are so plentiful that we need to look at 'spikes' in the context of years.
Complementary demand, though.
Yes it will hit the reserve list the hardest, the reserve list has brutalized the cost of eternal formats due to uncontrollable complementary demand, but they're not the sole cards whose demand will increase.
SDT, also another good reprint for if we're allowed to have nice things (we aren't, but one can dream).
Elves seems to be one of the draft archetypes, but Shaman of the Pack isn't exactly a card in "needs reprints now" territory. But when you have Elves as a draft archetype, that's practically open admission that Heritage Druid will be a card, and that's a card worth reprinting for sure.
Tangent:
If Countertop Miracles gets more support in the set, I'm sure it'll spike the price of Flooded Strand. Reminder to grab fetches while they're still cheap, I guess.
All of the spike value from a legacy perspective is going straight into the reserved list cards. KTK fetches are so plentiful that we need to look at 'spikes' in the context of years.
Complementary demand, though.
Yes it will hit the reserve list the hardest, the reserve list has brutalized the cost of eternal formats due to uncontrollable complementary demand, but they're not the sole cards whose demand will increase.
Oh no argument there in that demand increases, I'm just saying that the amount of demand it takes to move the needle on fetches is INCREDIBLY high. Even if players decide they want to get into legacy in droves, many of those players are going to be (presumably) modern players who are more enfranchised who we can also assume have some sort of collection going which more than likely includes some number of fetches. They can reprint Top, Counterbalance, Force, Jace and you STILL have 1400+ in duals that you need. I just don't think there are many people who are like "Yeah, I wanted to play counter-top in legacy but I just don't want to shell out for Top and Flooded Strands." Ya feel me?
With all of that said, I'm super excited for EMA. It's going to make finishing my cube A LOT easier.
Yeah, I'm happy for Commander staples and that's about it. I have absolutely zero interest in Legacy and Vintage because I don't want to take a second mortgage out just to build a deck.
Yeah, I'm happy for Commander staples and that's about it. I have absolutely zero interest in Legacy and Vintage because I don't want to take a second mortgage out just to build a deck.
Agreed. For a long time I wanted to play legacy but there just isn't enough interest to make the investment worth it for me and my store even has a somewhat supported legacy scene. I just want to cube!
They probably will reprint something for Modern but will be very little of it. This set is for Legacy and Commander and not for Modern and as that it's not very likely that we will get more than just a few pieces.
vintage, legacy and edh.
Many cards spoiled now is not legacy legal
Albeit very good cards, though. There's a lot of power houses in the card selection so far.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
They announced Goblin Charbelcher earlier, which is used in the Modern Belcher deck. They've listed a few others as well, but unfortunately the focus of this set is Vintage, Legacy, and EDH.
I'm more worried for the prospect of ever getting cards like Counterspell and Wirewood Symbiote in Modern if they are in this set.
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Kind of like what they did with the Stoneforge Mystic GP promo?
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
This is what I was suspecting. I still expect us to get some Modern legal cards, but only those are Eternal staples. The only Modern legal card that I would say is almost a lock is Chalice of the Void, it's used in some modern decks but much more in Legacy /Vintage. Would be very surprised not to see it in the set. I could see Aether Vial, Inkmoth Nexus, and Goblin Guide being in the set as well, since all are played in Legacy.
Goyf and Lily are almost 100% not in the set. They are played in Legacy of course, but these are cards that WotC wants to save for MM17. I think Snapcaster Mage is also very unlikely as well. And same goes for some of the more niche modern playables like Scapeshift, Through the Breach, Ensnaring Bridge, etc that are played in Modern but rarely if at all in Legacy.
BGW Junk / URB Grixis Shadow / RGB Lantern Control / WUBCBant Eldrazi
Current Legacy decks
BUG Shardless BUG / UWR Predict Miracles / RUG Canadian Thresh / WRBG 4c Loam
UB Reanimator
MTGO/MTGA: Tyclone
My Primers ~ GWx Vizier Company ~ Knightfall ~ RG Eldrazi ~ Green's Sun's Zenith
More Brews ~ Modern Four Horsemen ~ Gitrog Dredge
Decks I'm playing in Modern right now:
URB Grixis Reveler (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-grixis-reveler/)
UB Faeries (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/ub-fae-2/)
UW Azorious Control (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-ojutai-control-2/)
In the yard: RUG Delver, Kiki-Chord, Grixis Twin, Mardu Control, Smallpox, Jeskai Control, Jeskai Delver, Assault Loam, Elves, Deathcloud, Eggs, Storm
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
RGTron
UGInfect
URStorm
WUBRAd Nauseam
BRGrishoalbrand
URGScapeshift
WBGAbzan Company
WUBRGAmulet Titan
BRGLiving End
WGBogles
probably only the ones that are relevant in eternal masters
It is not, but we know it will include modern legal cards, so people can hope and speculate (and rage) about potential modern relevant reprints.
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Now just hoping for a Chalice of the Void reprint. hehe :>
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Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
Elves seems to be one of the draft archetypes, but Shaman of the Pack isn't exactly a card in "needs reprints now" territory. But when you have Elves as a draft archetype, that's practically open admission that Heritage Druid will be a card, and that's a card worth reprinting for sure.
Tangent:
If Countertop Miracles gets more support in the set, I'm sure it'll spike the price of Flooded Strand. Reminder to grab fetches while they're still cheap, I guess.
All of the spike value from a legacy perspective is going straight into the reserved list cards. KTK fetches are so plentiful that we need to look at 'spikes' in the context of years.
Complementary demand, though.
Yes it will hit the reserve list the hardest, the reserve list has brutalized the cost of eternal formats due to uncontrollable complementary demand, but they're not the sole cards whose demand will increase.
Oh no argument there in that demand increases, I'm just saying that the amount of demand it takes to move the needle on fetches is INCREDIBLY high. Even if players decide they want to get into legacy in droves, many of those players are going to be (presumably) modern players who are more enfranchised who we can also assume have some sort of collection going which more than likely includes some number of fetches. They can reprint Top, Counterbalance, Force, Jace and you STILL have 1400+ in duals that you need. I just don't think there are many people who are like "Yeah, I wanted to play counter-top in legacy but I just don't want to shell out for Top and Flooded Strands." Ya feel me?
With all of that said, I'm super excited for EMA. It's going to make finishing my cube A LOT easier.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
Agreed. For a long time I wanted to play legacy but there just isn't enough interest to make the investment worth it for me and my store even has a somewhat supported legacy scene. I just want to cube!
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Many cards spoiled now is not legacy legal
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I'm more worried for the prospect of ever getting cards like Counterspell and Wirewood Symbiote in Modern if they are in this set.