Right now I feel you can give yourself a pretty good chance against affinity and grave based strategies but that's about it. And yes there is plenty of crossover but more couldn't hurt. And that is if your playing a fair deck. But say you are playing affinity. Wouldn't be nice to be able to have more options to fight through the hate and not just outright die to stony silence? The same goes for every combo deck as well. I mean the point o this is to make more interaction possible. To lessen those unwinnable matches through in game variance. I don't feel that will be a bad thing.
I feel that sometimes affinity is just really good at fighting through hate, they just get such fast starts sometimes that sometimes when you cast stony silence on the draw, sometimes it just isn't enough. Giving affinity more options is too much IMO.
I feel that having matches you can't win is just an unfortunate but necessary part of modern as it is such a wide card pool
Yep. It always sucks when you have turn 2 Stony Silence, but they already did turn 2 Cranial Plating and equip.
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
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Ponder and Preordain is only banned because they are to good in storm. As long as storm exist they do not get unbanned. Finkel wonn every tournament with storm.
And surly the most broken card in afinaty is mox opal? No other deck get anything near that good.
Eldrazi still gets Eldrazi Temple, which just like Opal is free but situational mana acceleration.
So it comes down to solring vs rainbow mox? Afinaty stil has to much good stuff in the deck. Ravanger and plating over thoughtknot and smasher any day.
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Modern has always been a format about experimentation. Why not broaden the experiments scope. Honestly, is there anyone out there that will say unequivocally that they will quit modern if the sideboard would be expanded to 20 cards? I know people have quit because of bannings, but would this be even that bad?
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Affinity EDH W Akroma GBW Ghave BRU Thrax GR Ruric I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
Modern has always been a format about experimentation. Why not broaden the experiments scope. Honestly, is there anyone out there that will say unequivocally that they will quit modern if the sideboard would be expanded to 20 cards? I know people have quit because of bannings, but would this be even that bad?
I'm sure plenty of folks would sell out of the format as quickly as possibly if this pipe dream somehow happened because it would solidify modern as being simply a joke.
Rather surprised why this thread suddenly turn into complaint about Affinity. The deck is strong, but it can be defeated with tight play and a proper sideboard. A Creeping Corrosion or Hurkyll's Recall at the right time can lead into an easy win against that deck. Well, sometimes Affinity have the god hand that is almost undefeatable, but other modern decks can have those opening hands too. For example, strong opening hand of Infect can kill as early as turn 2 or turn 3.
Modern has always been a format about experimentation. Why not broaden the experiments scope. Honestly, is there anyone out there that will say unequivocally that they will quit modern if the sideboard would be expanded to 20 cards? I know people have quit because of bannings, but would this be even that bad?
I'm sure plenty of folks would sell out of the format as quickly as possibly if this pipe dream somehow happened because it would solidify modern as being simply a joke.
Referrring to the part that I put in bold = Agreed on that.
You guys are serious? Because of an increase in sideboard sace, modern would be considered a joke? A change that would not cost the player base a single solitary cent would drive people away? I really doubt it.
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Affinity EDH W Akroma GBW Ghave BRU Thrax GR Ruric I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
You guys are serious? Because of an increase in sideboard sace, modern would be considered a joke? A change that would not cost the player base a single solitary cent would drive people away? I really doubt it.
Exactly. Sure a handful may "quit". But I see this as the usual overreaction we see here on the site at times.
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Honestly I think they are being entirely hyperbolic. The format has survived numerous bannings and the game has survived the addition of planeswalkers as a card type, colorless non artifact creatures and spells, colored artifacts etc. I mean they act like a deck was always 60 cards or that the SB is some grail not to be touched. Its just another mechnic of the game, no different than having a spell that says play this and win or your you cannot lose the game.
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Affinity EDH W Akroma GBW Ghave BRU Thrax GR Ruric I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
You guys are serious? Because of an increase in sideboard sace, modern would be considered a joke? A change that would not cost the player base a single solitary cent would drive people away? I really doubt it.
Exactly. Sure a handful may "quit". But I see this as the usual overreaction we see here on the site at times.
This thread seems more to me like the usual "silly suggestion to fix modern" thread we see here on the site at times.
You guys are serious? Because of an increase in sideboard sace, modern would be considered a joke? A change that would not cost the player base a single solitary cent would drive people away? I really doubt it.
Exactly. Sure a handful may "quit". But I see this as the usual overreaction we see here on the site at times.
This thread seems more to me like the usual "silly suggestion to fix modern" thread we see here on the site at times.
That is your opinion. You are entitled to it. I think it is a lack of vision and lack of foresight and an irrational fear of change that seems to be driving the #Always15 crowd.
Honestly I think they are being entirely hyperbolic.
Many are. If it were Mark Rosewater making the proposal many would be drooling all over themselves saying it was a brilliant idea and should have been implemented years ago. Or maybe not. Whatever its time for the poll. Lets see what it uncovers.
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You guys are serious? Because of an increase in sideboard sace, modern would be considered a joke? A change that would not cost the player base a single solitary cent would drive people away? I really doubt it.
Exactly. Sure a handful may "quit". But I see this as the usual overreaction we see here on the site at times.
This thread seems more to me like the usual "silly suggestion to fix modern" thread we see here on the site at times.
At least it doesn't involve nonsense like banning 24+ cards from top-tier decks or removing 8th/9th Edition! I'm not saying I agree with the approach, but I think it's interesting to discuss in rigorous, evidence-based conversation.
You guys are serious? Because of an increase in sideboard sace, modern would be considered a joke? A change that would not cost the player base a single solitary cent would drive people away? I really doubt it.
Exactly. Sure a handful may "quit". But I see this as the usual overreaction we see here on the site at times.
This thread seems more to me like the usual "silly suggestion to fix modern" thread we see here on the site at times.
At least it doesn't involve nonsense like banning 24+ cards from top-tier decks or removing 8th/9th Edition! I'm not saying I agree with the approach, but I think it's interesting to discuss in rigorous, evidence-based conversation.
That is the question. What size sideboard do you think Modern should have at this point in time? This is not for any other format, JUST MODERN. This is a number that could go back up or down to 15 again if deemed necessary as well.
Mods, please merge with the other thread as indicated earlier, thank you.
If your number isn't available, please indicate what you would vote for. (Within reasonable expectations, if you say 1,898,436,330 I won't include it in a running average.)
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Feel free to vote in the poll. Lets get some data and take a closer look.
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The problem isn't the 15-card sideboard, it's the narrow "matchup lottery" joke decks that take minimal skill to play.
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Are you just going to say this every time somebody says something you don't like? Seems kinda pointless to me.
Would you prefer for me to say "Screw you for your vote" instead?
It is in no way more pointless than your response to it. I'm merely stating my opinion and genuinely thanking those for voting. I hope we gets lots of people voting to get some data, whether or not it supports my position or not. So thanks for voting.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
It just seems silly to comment the same thing on each person who posts here. If you're going to thank them for their vote, why mention your stance at all? It just comes across as condescending.
No, I think the SB size for Modern should be the same SB size as for Legacy, Vintage, and Standard.
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It just seems silly to comment the same thing on each person who posts here. If you're going to thank them for their vote, why mention your stance at all? It just comes across as condescending.
Well there's a first time for everything. Where I come from "Thank you" means exactly that and politely disagreeing is not condescension. Move out my way, most of us value manners and courtesy. And "Have a good one." means just that as well. Have a good one.
No, I think the SB size for Modern should be the same SB size as for Legacy, Vintage, and Standard.
Damnit, I knew I left an option off the list.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Yep. It always sucks when you have turn 2 Stony Silence, but they already did turn 2 Cranial Plating and equip.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)So it comes down to solring vs rainbow mox? Afinaty stil has to much good stuff in the deck. Ravanger and plating over thoughtknot and smasher any day.
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I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
Referrring to the part that I put in bold = Agreed on that.
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WU Monks
UW Tempo Geist
GW Bogle
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UR Tron
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I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
Exactly. Sure a handful may "quit". But I see this as the usual overreaction we see here on the site at times.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
GB Rock
U Flooding Merfolk
RUG Delver Midrange
WU Monks
UW Tempo Geist
GW Bogle
GW Liege
UR Tron
B Vampires
Affinity
Legacy
Fish
Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity
EDH
W Akroma
GBW Ghave
BRU Thrax
GR Ruric
I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
This thread seems more to me like the usual "silly suggestion to fix modern" thread we see here on the site at times.
That is your opinion. You are entitled to it. I think it is a lack of vision and lack of foresight and an irrational fear of change that seems to be driving the #Always15 crowd.
Many are. If it were Mark Rosewater making the proposal many would be drooling all over themselves saying it was a brilliant idea and should have been implemented years ago. Or maybe not. Whatever its time for the poll. Lets see what it uncovers.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
At least it doesn't involve nonsense like banning 24+ cards from top-tier decks or removing 8th/9th Edition! I'm not saying I agree with the approach, but I think it's interesting to discuss in rigorous, evidence-based conversation.
I haven't seen any evidence thus far.
Mods, please merge with the other thread as indicated earlier, thank you.
If your number isn't available, please indicate what you would vote for. (Within reasonable expectations, if you say 1,898,436,330 I won't include it in a running average.)
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Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
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Are you just going to say this every time somebody says something you don't like? Seems kinda pointless to me.
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Would you prefer for me to say "Screw you for your vote" instead?
It is in no way more pointless than your response to it. I'm merely stating my opinion and genuinely thanking those for voting. I hope we gets lots of people voting to get some data, whether or not it supports my position or not. So thanks for voting.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
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No, I think the SB size for Modern should be the same SB size as for Legacy, Vintage, and Standard.
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Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
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Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Well there's a first time for everything. Where I come from "Thank you" means exactly that and politely disagreeing is not condescension. Move out my way, most of us value manners and courtesy. And "Have a good one." means just that as well. Have a good one.
Damnit, I knew I left an option off the list.
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