MTG Salvation

wily goblin makes an artifact for kuldotha red's midgame, other than that Im not sure what it does. overflowing insight made me sigh a very deep sigh though, I wouldn't even play it in standard.

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I think there's a meta deck to be made that mainboards graveyard hate in rest in peace and the new ashes. Between dredge, delve, and flashback the only deck I can think of that doesn't use the graveyard is affinity, etron, and Lantern Control.
So you run this 4/3, treacherous Pit dweller, underworld cerberous and you have the start of a deck.

To be honest I'd run the new two drop creature Torpor orb and Torpor Orb then run Treacherous Pit Dweller and Hunted Horror and Eater of Days.

Ladies and Gentleman, Opt just got spoiled!!
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Ladies and Gentleman, Opt just got spoiled!!
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Is it sad we're so excited for an Opt reprint? lol

It's in a pirate set... Take what ya can, give nothing back!

I'm sure I'm going to run this card, but the question is is it better than alright of hand in ad nauseam

Opt reprint is quite exciting for draw-go control I think. In particular esper winds up having to pay 5 mana for a "value" snapcaster EoT with Esper Charm. Between just being able to EoT opt for cards after keeping mana up for interaction and then being able to snap-opt EoT this is a nice little bump for the deck I think!

Nice card to have in modern regardless

Opt might actually put delver back on the map. Opt works great with prowess as well.

Opt reprint probably spells the death knell for Preordain; unlikely that Wizards would unban the latter while the former still exists.

It's a gift from Wizards honestly. No matter what their dev policy is, they pleased Modern players by meeting us halfway, reprinting an underwhelming but satisfaying cantrip for the pool. So yes Delver, but also any deck that wants to play with less than 60 cards in their deck, like some combo decks.

How does Opt help delver? You can't respond to delver flip by setting up the top card, because if you scryed to the top you have to draw that first. I suppose if you scry, keeping a land, and draw the land theres a good chance the next card on top is a nonland?

Yeah, Opt looks great in more draw-go-like midrange-control decks (UWR variants that include the 4 Tiago 4 Spell Squeller 0 Nahiri lists, Esper Control, UW Control...)!

In the meantime, Siren Stormtamer countering the Thought-Knot Seer trigger has been funny and good. Perhaps it does have an edge or two over Spellskite after all...but it's sooooo Walking Ballista-weak...

Wow, now Spell Pierce was spoiled too.

Some major love for blue.

That's all that seems really relevant right now. There is also:

Overflowing Insight is a draw 7 for 7, but Time Reversal is a draw 7 for 5.

Time reversal also let's your opponent draw 7 though.

Time Reversal also shuffles graveyards as well. It's really only good when your opponents turns are largely irrelevant.

Overflowing Insight is more like an expensive Opportunity than it is Time Reversal. Pull from tomorrow seems so much better though.

Opt is a great reprint. It'll replace Sleight of Hand in combo decks and give UWx control an instant-speed cantrip over Serum Visions.

Don't feel much for any of the other new cards though. Wily Goblin is a net 1/1 for 1 mana. Can't imagine playing it when Burning-Tree Emissary exists, unless there's some as-yet unrevealed payoff for having treasures in play. Overflowing Insight is a big draw spell that isn't an instant and hence inferior to Sphinx's Revelation in control decks. I can't think of any combo applications for it; we don't have Dream Halls or Show and Tell -> Omniscience to cheat it out, and even if we did, Enter the Infinite would be a better card to cheat out.

Tried Old-Growth Dryads in Small Naya Revolt Zoo (y'know, the type with Hidden Herbalists, Narnam Renegade, and a ton of creatures). It was significantly better than I thought! I thought the downside would be significant, but it turns out that Merfolk and Eldrazi Tron still kept losing to this guy, even when it was played in the first 2 turns and they cheated out a basic land with it. Heck, often even when I played multiples! Path to Exile has a funny synergy with OGD, as they both can make the opponent run out of basics to cheat out fairly fast. (Hollow Vengevine Goryo's often barely eked out a win thanks to the extra basic or two, though.)

Now I have more hope for Wanted Scoundrels (although being 2 cmc and black hurts it quite a bit in the aggro category). They get 2 Lotus Petals instead of a basic land if this guy shows up...but they have to kill it first, and that'll take some time.

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Tried Old-Growth Dryads in Small Naya Revolt Zoo (y'know, the type with Hidden Herbalists, Narnam Renegade, and a ton of creatures). It was significantly better than I thought! I thought the downside would be significant, but it turns out that Merfolk and Eldrazi Tron still kept losing to this guy, even when it was played in the first 2 turns and they cheated out a basic land with it. Heck, often even when I played multiples! Path to Exile has a funny synergy with OGD, as they both can make the opponent run out of basics to cheat out fairly fast. (Hollow Vengevine Goryo's often barely eked out a win thanks to the extra basic or two, though.)

Now I have more hope for Wanted Scoundrels (although being 2 cmc and black hurts it quite a bit in the aggro category). They get 2 Lotus Petals instead of a basic land if this guy shows up...but they have to kill it first, and that'll take some time.

Shared downside is not a synergy and while a few games may have been better than anticipated, that doesn't make it playable. Wanted Scoundrels is similarly okay but I don't think people will run it. What decks would run those that can't run better cards?

Again, Old-Growth Dryads looks the best in hyper aggro decks from that initial testing of mine. Your opponent often cannot take advantage of the mana/tempo boost fast enough, especially when you're pumping out 6 damage a turn or more. The games where I chained OGD into a game-ending Reckless Bushwhacker were an extreme example of this. (For the record, I tend to cut Goblin Guide, Grim Lavamancer, Experiment One, and even Kird Ape for OGD.)

I'm not sure that Humans wants Wanted Scoundrels--those aggro decks are leaning on the black splash more than the red one lately, but having a frame similar to Voltaic Brawler is distressing.

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I think there's a meta deck to be made that mainboards graveyard hate in rest in peace and the new ashes. Between dredge, delve, and flashback the only deck I can think of that doesn't use the graveyard is affinity, etron, and Lantern Control.
So you run this 4/3, treacherous Pit dweller, underworld cerberous and you have the start of a deck.

To be honest I'd run the new two drop creature Torpor orb and Torpor Orb then run Treacherous Pit Dweller and Hunted Horror and Eater of Days.

I have a developing this very deck on this very site!

Where? Sounds ridiculous!

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Again, Old-Growth Dryads looks the best in hyper aggro decks from that initial testing of mine. Your opponent often cannot take advantage of the mana/tempo boost fast enough, especially when you're pumping out 6 damage a turn or more. The games where I chained OGD into a game-ending Reckless Bushwhacker were an extreme example of this. (For the record, I tend to cut Goblin Guide, Grim Lavamancer, Experiment One, and even Kird Ape for OGD.)

I'm not sure that Humans wants Wanted Scoundrels--those aggro decks are leaning on the black splash more than the red one lately, but having a frame similar to Voltaic Brawler is distressing.

I don't see the point of Old-Growth Dryads in Zoo, it has enough good 1-drops (Wild Nacatl, Narnam Renegade, Goblin Guide, Kird Ape) that it doesn't need it.
That isn't even counting "synergy 1-drops" like Experiment One and Monastery Swiftspear.