So after the discussion at the state of modern thread, and seeing how Bearscape for people not enjoying modern but are not willing to speak up I decided to make a poll to see what (if any) is the general consensus in this forum. So go ahead, vote your option, tried to make them as explanatory as possible. Feel free to add a comment explaining your vote if you feel like it.
I picked 4th option. I wouldn't say I hate it, but I am FAR from enjoying it. The kinds of games I actually enjoy playing are few and far between. The majority of degenerate nonsense and lopsided games make it nearly as unenjoyable as 2016. However, I also believe that nothing will bring back the format I enjoyed, and no meaningful changes will ever course-correct away from linear degenerate nonsense without vast, sweeping bans.
I probably have the opinion I have because I've found a deck that fits me and doesn't fold to everything, but I feel like Modern is decent but could use some changes. I think KCI's ban removes a deck that is very difficult to interact with, this lightly encourages interaction/removal/discard/counter (things I like) however you want to describe it.
My guess is this very meta dependent. If my LGS was full of storm, titan and other combo decks I would feel bad about playing, but I play mostly jund, rock, spirits, humans, burn, dredge, jeskai control and GDS so for me is quite interactive.
I picked 4th option. I wouldn't say I hate it, but I am FAR from enjoying it. The kinds of games I actually enjoy playing are few and far between. The majority of degenerate nonsense and lopsided games make it nearly as unenjoyable as 2016. However, I also believe that nothing will bring back the format I enjoyed, and no meaningful changes will ever course-correct away from linear degenerate nonsense without vast, sweeping bans.
I picked the 4th option too. I don't really enjoy it much. I think there are very few choices that one can do very well with, outside of extreme variance and super lucky matchups. If your deck cannot beat a good draw from Dredge or Phoenix, it's honestly not worth playing.
I am going to just start jamming those decks like crazy. I'll get back to you whether THAT makes me start to enjoy it (if I can replicate the results I've had with Eye of Ugin Eldrazi, GGT Dredge, or Summer Bloom Titan). Yes, I can have fun just slaughtering people too, but it literally needs to be at the same level of those decks. My guess is that it is.
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Legacy - Sneak Show, BR Reanimator, Miracles, UW Stoneblade
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
I am going to just start jamming those decks like crazy. I'll get back to you whether THAT makes me start to enjoy it (if I can replicate the results I've had with Eye of Ugin Eldrazi, GGT Dredge, or Summer Bloom Titan). Yes, I can have fun just slaughtering people too, but it literally needs to be at the same level of those decks. My guess is that it is.
I can tell you that, for me personally, two big elements are keeping me from playing Phoenix myself. First is it's just not fun to play. It's extremely one-dimensional, and simply goes through the motions. Cantrip, flip, free birds, attack. It's repetitive and bland. But the second makes it more frustrating: our local meta still has tons of people still trying to force interactive BGx and Uxx decks, which is fine, if the other half of the store wasn't playing degenerate nonsense and wacky brews. My best and worst nights are often decided by the pairings board. At least GDS gives me a fighting chance against just about anything, and has dynamic and engaging games when I DO get paired with interactive decks. It was a fairly miserable experience most of the time.
Phoenix is great on MTGO and at the GP level because few who care about winning are playing BGx and Uxx, so it's a fantastic choice for the competitive scene. It's fast, efficient, and attacks on multiple angles while being strong against most removal.
Yeah, I can definitely feel that. Our store occasionally has way too many people jamming interactive decks too. It's an odd thing because there's around 50 players that play Modern there. The meta changes from week to week. Sometimes it is super interactive and I wish I ran Titanshift. Other weeks it's not too interactive or I dodge those matchups and I wish I was on Devoted Lunge Vizier. But I HATE playing those in the other type of meta and occasionally it does get me too.
Our store has a large amount of Burn and a Dredge player for our best player, but I still have dodged all of those for the past month. This is with 18-26 players at most. I'll probably see them when I run something that loses to them.
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Legacy - Sneak Show, BR Reanimator, Miracles, UW Stoneblade
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
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that's boring as ****; the game is rotative, just let it be, the seasons change and so do the decks.
the overall problem is one of general design, not of specific cards. it's not even power creep, just power segregation and power simplicity.
No, the 'game' is not rotational. The point of a format like Modern is that it simply doesnt rotate.
The format Standard, is rotational. Forced bans, are rotational, of a sort.
Jund is still here with us. When does it rotate out?
Otherwise, I'm not sure how a declaration of 'boring' can be made by removing those cards. It would actually elevate the 'diversity' of Modern to the top, by taking the clear, unquestionable, best decks of the format (the winners meta that are hiding in the so called diverse format) down a few notches.
I chose #4. I don't really want to set my wallet on fire and play a "fair" deck and expect to do well at regioanls, ahem Magicfests, or pptq's...of wait those are gone, IQ's! Seriously, if fair decks had better tools I'd gladly pick up GB rock and play that forever. Sadly, there are certain truths about modern that most players either over look or except. Linear is better and Tron lets me enjoy modern with a slight a glimpse of degeneracy. I have all this desire to play Lili's and goyfs but why waste 1000+ dollars on an archtype that's MEH.
that's boring as ****; the game is rotative, just let it be, the seasons change and so do the decks.
Many people spent thousands of dollars to get into modern specifically to avoid rotation.
Yeah well those people are basing their entry into modern on a grave misunderstanding. I feel for them, but the disappointed whining that ensues when the format inevitably cycles through new and different popular strategies over weeks and months and their tuned deck from six months ago is no longer competitive, well that whining is just empty boring misdirected nonsense.
Oh and fwiw I voted that modern is currently the best it's ever been. Why? Because we've got more cards now than ever, more decks are viable now than ever, each standard set has brought more toys to the table and just as we're seeing now, modern isn't so degenerate that brand new decks can't have their day in the sun alongside old favourites. Phoenix decks doing well right now is a parallel circumstance to death's shadow having a similar boom over a year ago, and the fact that it can happen is the sign of a great format. In a couple of months it'll cycle out of popularity again and something else will fill the spot.
I guess we can sit and wait for all the phoenix players, new to modern who will say the sky is falling and preach the death of modern when those phoenix decks fall out of popularity and something else (that they inevitably dislike) takes its place. Oh and of course all the players seeing a deck gain some success and immediately saying BAN IT ARGHHG like there's a problem will just complain loudly about the next deck thst has a moment of popularity. C'est la vie
Beneath all this surface-level whining, modern is the same changeable beast that it's been since 2012. Nothing fundamental about the balance and structure of Modern has altered and that's why Modern now is the best it's ever been. It's broadly the same but it's bigger, with more options. It's still a roiling pot of endless ideas, with a handful floating to the top for a while, in a rotation of popularity and metagame viability that operates on a timescale loosely similar to the release of standard sets. (we see a shake up of the best decks in modern almost every standard set without fail, it's fun to track back and see how closely it correlates, another interesting tidbit for those people who incorrectly claim that newer sets don't affect modern!)
Sure, I can't take the same 75 card conoetitive modern deck I built a year ago and hope to do well at a competitive event now. My jund deck isn't what it used to be either. But that should be a given! That's a *good thing*. It's not a sign of things getting worse it's a sign of a healthy game where people are constantly striving to find the best way to tackle a metagame (thus, driving constant innovation and change).
I have all this desire to play Lili's and goyfs but why waste 1000+ dollars on an archtype that's MEH.
So you can play Traverse Shadow and beat up all those degenerate decks currently in the format, then when BGx and UWx come back you can transition back into the former and have fun the old-fashioned way?
Small sample size disclaimers aside, it's interesting to note the breakdown of voters vs. the breakdown of commenters. There are 12 unique posters in this thread (13 counting me). Here's a general breakdown of how those commenters voted based on their posts:
When we look at number of total comments within the thread (18 in all) and divide them by the voting of the commenting user (e.g. GK, Fluff, and k0no collectively have 4 posts), we see the following breakdown:
Note that not all posts are represented because we don't know how all posters voted, as noted above. That said, this breakdown of posts does not at all reflect the breakdown of actual votes in the poll. If these 15 posts represent the known vote/poster combinations, we should expect to see a similar breakdown as we see in the poll itself, i.e. 12% of posts are from #1s, 45.8% are from #2s, etc. Instead, we see that 53% of our posts are from #4s and #5s, despite #4s and #5s only making up 33% of the actual polling results. The 3s don't post at all despite there being more 3s than 5s, and the 2s post less frequently than the 4s and 1s despite 2s being the most common result in the poll.
Again, all disclaimers of a small and limited N being in effect, this suggests to me that users who are unhappy with the format are more likely to post about it in a forum like ours. This can create a visible impression of Modern unhealth or distaste when the more silent majority are not defending or justifying the format because they are just playing it and/or enjoying it.
To add to this, current numbers at 52 votes indicate an overwhelming majority that enjoys the format (61,5%) versus 30,8% who don't enjoy it, and a small portion who are indifferent about the state of the game. At the same time only 3 uses indicated that they hate the format and won't play it (one of which is known). This further shows that people who dislike the format tend to be more vocal in the forum as well, in contrast to people who enjoy the format.
In my view this is an expected result, as people who enjoy it don't really have an incentive to actually post about it, and goes against the narrative that we saw in the State of Modern thread about a silent vocal majority that actually hates the format.
My guess is this very meta dependent. If my LGS was full of storm, titan and other combo decks I would feel bad about playing, but I play mostly jund, rock, spirits, humans, burn, dredge, jeskai control and GDS so for me is quite interactive.
Spot-on. I haven't gotten too many chances to play recently due to work, but I feel like I have a fighting chance when I go in my UW Spirits deck. At a small 8-player tournament I attended last month, six of us came with fair decks, and the most popular noninteractive decks at my LGS are lists like Grishoalbrand and Electro-End.
Reason? One can really take a Tier 1 standard deck (UR Drakes), tweak it, and have a Tier 1 Modern deck!
Hmm, a tier 1 modern deck that is also standard deck. I wonder how the people in standard are handling the drakes and phoenix. Do they have the proper answers there?
This reminds me of the time long ago in 2011, when Exarch Twin was also in standard. People in Standard were somehow able to handle it.
Didn't think I'd start some kind of revolution with my post, lol.
I guess option 4 is most applicable to me; I still go to Modern FNM every other week, but although I used to attend every big event I could drive to I am currently very reluctant to drive to big events. Once you're trying to get strong results in modern, it becomes very frustrating.
What narrative was there about a silent majority of modern haters? AFAIK all that was said is that there are a portion of players who are not enjoying Modern, and therefore are not posting about Modern anymore because they/we longer feel an attachment to it.
Nobody on the 'not enjoying modern' side of the fence said anything about a silent majority of the player base being modern haters.
30.8% might be a while away from being a majority but its sure as hell still a very significant amount. That's 30% who would make the switch if there's a viable and accessible alternative. Even if we take into account this theory that users who are unhappy with the format are more likely to post about it and chop that to 20% or 15%, that's still a significant percentage.
Not everything has to be comcast levels of horrible customer satisfaction to be considered as significant.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
What narrative was there about a silent majority of modern haters? AFAIK all that was said is that there are a portion of players who are not enjoying Modern, and therefore are not posting about Modern anymore because they/we longer feel an attachment to it.
Nobody on the 'not enjoying modern' side of the fence said anything about a silent majority of the player base being modern haters.
30.8% might be a while away from being a majority but its sure as hell still a very significant amount. That's 30% who would make the switch if there's a viable and accessible alternative. Even if we take into account this theory that users who are unhappy with the format are more likely to post about it and chop that to 20% or 15%, that's still a significant percentage.
Not everything has to be comcast levels of horrible customer satisfaction to be considered as significant.
The argument that a lot of people don't like the format but they are just not talking about it has been brought up at several points during the different State of Modern threads, this was not the first time. I am a bit too overwhelmed to actually dig up all these times, so if you would like you can take my word for it.
In addition, oftentimes certain people (mostly from people who vocally dislike modern for the past few years), claims have been made that modern is just not enjoyable. Popularity numbers in general indicate to the opposite, as well as event attendance. So I thought I would make the poll to map the interest here in the forum as well where, I expect, most people interested in posting/voting are (for the most part at least) active players, otherwise they wouldn't really seek a forum dedicated to modern.
Finally, what is significant? I would say that the the current 28.8% who dislike modern is definitely not a great number, but also not the worst at the same time. Personally I am hoping that we can get 100+ votes in this thread, to make it slightly more representative of the forum, we can save evaluations for then, but it already shows that the majority of the forum lurkers do like the format.
Yeah but none of us ever said that we were a majority. That narrative wasn't created by us. If anything, your side of the fence pushed it on us.
Like we KNOW we are a minority, but there just might be more of us than you may think, that's all. None of this majority BS.
Yeah 20% might not seem like much but you can't tell me 200 out of 1000 is not a lot, what about 2k out of 10k?. It's not a majority like you try to imply, but that's definitely still a lot of people who don't enjoy the format.
Yeah I know, results not statistically significant and all that jazz, before anyone wants to jump down my throat.
I have no issue whatsoever with the results of the poll so far. I actually expected something like this. My beef is this false narrative pushed on us.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
I don;t think you're going to find a MAJORITY of people disliking modern on a forum for people who play modern; you're already pre-sorting for a bunch of people who at least at some point in time found the format great enough to sink handfuls of money into.
But when you criticize the format you (rightfully) have the burden of proof, which is next to impossible with the massive amount of variance and tiny amount of data we have access to. You're not going to change anyone's mind on the internet anyways so once the discussion inevitably turns toxic I think a lot of Modern critics tend to just shut up.
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UWR Control (10-5-1)/Kiki Control/Midrange/Harbinger
UBR Cruel Control (6-4-0)/Grixis Control/Delver/Blue Jund
UWB Control/Mentor
UW Miracles/Control (currently active, 14-2-0)
BW Eldrazi & Taxes
RW Burn (9-1-0)
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Our meta has Dredge and GDS, but I don't find them oppressive at all. Just got to have the proper sideboard.
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EDIT: To be clear, and as a final word on it (from me until we get some new sets )unless someone wishes to debate it further.
The format would be improved if we did not have.
Spirits
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
For now I'm happy waiting to see what MH1 brings.
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I picked the 4th option too. I don't really enjoy it much. I think there are very few choices that one can do very well with, outside of extreme variance and super lucky matchups. If your deck cannot beat a good draw from Dredge or Phoenix, it's honestly not worth playing.
I am going to just start jamming those decks like crazy. I'll get back to you whether THAT makes me start to enjoy it (if I can replicate the results I've had with Eye of Ugin Eldrazi, GGT Dredge, or Summer Bloom Titan). Yes, I can have fun just slaughtering people too, but it literally needs to be at the same level of those decks. My guess is that it is.
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Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)I can tell you that, for me personally, two big elements are keeping me from playing Phoenix myself. First is it's just not fun to play. It's extremely one-dimensional, and simply goes through the motions. Cantrip, flip, free birds, attack. It's repetitive and bland. But the second makes it more frustrating: our local meta still has tons of people still trying to force interactive BGx and Uxx decks, which is fine, if the other half of the store wasn't playing degenerate nonsense and wacky brews. My best and worst nights are often decided by the pairings board. At least GDS gives me a fighting chance against just about anything, and has dynamic and engaging games when I DO get paired with interactive decks. It was a fairly miserable experience most of the time.
Phoenix is great on MTGO and at the GP level because few who care about winning are playing BGx and Uxx, so it's a fantastic choice for the competitive scene. It's fast, efficient, and attacks on multiple angles while being strong against most removal.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
yadda yadda yaddaaaaa
that damn banhammer smashing all over the living room again
that's boring as ****; the game is rotative, just let it be, the seasons change and so do the decks.
the overall problem is one of general design, not of specific cards. it's not even power creep, just power segregation and power simplicity.
Many people spent thousands of dollars to get into modern specifically to avoid rotation.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
Our store has a large amount of Burn and a Dredge player for our best player, but I still have dodged all of those for the past month. This is with 18-26 players at most. I'll probably see them when I run something that loses to them.
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Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)but as long as new cards are added to the format, it's only natural that more and more decks are born. with new decks, comes new metas.
those that spent thousands to avoid rotation are buying an illusion
No, the 'game' is not rotational. The point of a format like Modern is that it simply doesnt rotate.
The format Standard, is rotational. Forced bans, are rotational, of a sort.
Jund is still here with us. When does it rotate out?
Otherwise, I'm not sure how a declaration of 'boring' can be made by removing those cards. It would actually elevate the 'diversity' of Modern to the top, by taking the clear, unquestionable, best decks of the format (the winners meta that are hiding in the so called diverse format) down a few notches.
The decks we have now? Those are boring.
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Modern: Decks I'm playing right now:
G Mono Green Tron (34-10-3 paper record, only SCG/Regionals/PPTQ record)
C Eldrazi Tron (9-5)
UG Infect
RW Burn
Yeah well those people are basing their entry into modern on a grave misunderstanding. I feel for them, but the disappointed whining that ensues when the format inevitably cycles through new and different popular strategies over weeks and months and their tuned deck from six months ago is no longer competitive, well that whining is just empty boring misdirected nonsense.
Oh and fwiw I voted that modern is currently the best it's ever been. Why? Because we've got more cards now than ever, more decks are viable now than ever, each standard set has brought more toys to the table and just as we're seeing now, modern isn't so degenerate that brand new decks can't have their day in the sun alongside old favourites. Phoenix decks doing well right now is a parallel circumstance to death's shadow having a similar boom over a year ago, and the fact that it can happen is the sign of a great format. In a couple of months it'll cycle out of popularity again and something else will fill the spot.
I guess we can sit and wait for all the phoenix players, new to modern who will say the sky is falling and preach the death of modern when those phoenix decks fall out of popularity and something else (that they inevitably dislike) takes its place. Oh and of course all the players seeing a deck gain some success and immediately saying BAN IT ARGHHG like there's a problem will just complain loudly about the next deck thst has a moment of popularity. C'est la vie
Beneath all this surface-level whining, modern is the same changeable beast that it's been since 2012. Nothing fundamental about the balance and structure of Modern has altered and that's why Modern now is the best it's ever been. It's broadly the same but it's bigger, with more options. It's still a roiling pot of endless ideas, with a handful floating to the top for a while, in a rotation of popularity and metagame viability that operates on a timescale loosely similar to the release of standard sets. (we see a shake up of the best decks in modern almost every standard set without fail, it's fun to track back and see how closely it correlates, another interesting tidbit for those people who incorrectly claim that newer sets don't affect modern!)
Sure, I can't take the same 75 card conoetitive modern deck I built a year ago and hope to do well at a competitive event now. My jund deck isn't what it used to be either. But that should be a given! That's a *good thing*. It's not a sign of things getting worse it's a sign of a healthy game where people are constantly striving to find the best way to tackle a metagame (thus, driving constant innovation and change).
So you can play Traverse Shadow and beat up all those degenerate decks currently in the format, then when BGx and UWx come back you can transition back into the former and have fun the old-fashioned way?
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GK: #1
Fluff: #1
idSurge: #5
CFP: #4
Arkmer: #2
login: #1 or #2
FCG: #4
pink: unclear
racer: #4
k0no: #1
whocansay: unclear
Me: #2
That represents 10 known votes in the thread:
#1: 3
#2: 3
#3: 0
#4: 3
#5: 1
When we look at number of total comments within the thread (18 in all) and divide them by the voting of the commenting user (e.g. GK, Fluff, and k0no collectively have 4 posts), we see the following breakdown:
#1 posts: 4
#2 posts: 3
#3 posts: 0
#4 posts: 6
#5 posts: 2
Note that not all posts are represented because we don't know how all posters voted, as noted above. That said, this breakdown of posts does not at all reflect the breakdown of actual votes in the poll. If these 15 posts represent the known vote/poster combinations, we should expect to see a similar breakdown as we see in the poll itself, i.e. 12% of posts are from #1s, 45.8% are from #2s, etc. Instead, we see that 53% of our posts are from #4s and #5s, despite #4s and #5s only making up 33% of the actual polling results. The 3s don't post at all despite there being more 3s than 5s, and the 2s post less frequently than the 4s and 1s despite 2s being the most common result in the poll.
Again, all disclaimers of a small and limited N being in effect, this suggests to me that users who are unhappy with the format are more likely to post about it in a forum like ours. This can create a visible impression of Modern unhealth or distaste when the more silent majority are not defending or justifying the format because they are just playing it and/or enjoying it.
To add to this, current numbers at 52 votes indicate an overwhelming majority that enjoys the format (61,5%) versus 30,8% who don't enjoy it, and a small portion who are indifferent about the state of the game. At the same time only 3 uses indicated that they hate the format and won't play it (one of which is known). This further shows that people who dislike the format tend to be more vocal in the forum as well, in contrast to people who enjoy the format.
In my view this is an expected result, as people who enjoy it don't really have an incentive to actually post about it, and goes against the narrative that we saw in the State of Modern thread about a silent vocal majority that actually hates the format.
UB Faeries (15-6-0)
UWR Control (10-5-1)/Kiki Control/Midrange/Harbinger
UBR Cruel Control (6-4-0)/Grixis Control/Delver/Blue Jund
UWB Control/Mentor
UW Miracles/Control (currently active, 14-2-0)
BW Eldrazi & Taxes
RW Burn (9-1-0)
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Spot-on. I haven't gotten too many chances to play recently due to work, but I feel like I have a fighting chance when I go in my UW Spirits deck. At a small 8-player tournament I attended last month, six of us came with fair decks, and the most popular noninteractive decks at my LGS are lists like Grishoalbrand and Electro-End.
Voted for option 1 btw.
Hmm, a tier 1 modern deck that is also standard deck. I wonder how the people in standard are handling the drakes and phoenix. Do they have the proper answers there?
This reminds me of the time long ago in 2011, when Exarch Twin was also in standard. People in Standard were somehow able to handle it.
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I guess option 4 is most applicable to me; I still go to Modern FNM every other week, but although I used to attend every big event I could drive to I am currently very reluctant to drive to big events. Once you're trying to get strong results in modern, it becomes very frustrating.
Nobody on the 'not enjoying modern' side of the fence said anything about a silent majority of the player base being modern haters.
30.8% might be a while away from being a majority but its sure as hell still a very significant amount. That's 30% who would make the switch if there's a viable and accessible alternative. Even if we take into account this theory that users who are unhappy with the format are more likely to post about it and chop that to 20% or 15%, that's still a significant percentage.
Not everything has to be comcast levels of horrible customer satisfaction to be considered as significant.
In addition, oftentimes certain people (mostly from people who vocally dislike modern for the past few years), claims have been made that modern is just not enjoyable. Popularity numbers in general indicate to the opposite, as well as event attendance. So I thought I would make the poll to map the interest here in the forum as well where, I expect, most people interested in posting/voting are (for the most part at least) active players, otherwise they wouldn't really seek a forum dedicated to modern.
Finally, what is significant? I would say that the the current 28.8% who dislike modern is definitely not a great number, but also not the worst at the same time. Personally I am hoping that we can get 100+ votes in this thread, to make it slightly more representative of the forum, we can save evaluations for then, but it already shows that the majority of the forum lurkers do like the format.
UB Faeries (15-6-0)
UWR Control (10-5-1)/Kiki Control/Midrange/Harbinger
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UW Miracles/Control (currently active, 14-2-0)
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RW Burn (9-1-0)
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Like we KNOW we are a minority, but there just might be more of us than you may think, that's all. None of this majority BS.
Yeah 20% might not seem like much but you can't tell me 200 out of 1000 is not a lot, what about 2k out of 10k?. It's not a majority like you try to imply, but that's definitely still a lot of people who don't enjoy the format.
Yeah I know, results not statistically significant and all that jazz, before anyone wants to jump down my throat.
I have no issue whatsoever with the results of the poll so far. I actually expected something like this. My beef is this false narrative pushed on us.
But when you criticize the format you (rightfully) have the burden of proof, which is next to impossible with the massive amount of variance and tiny amount of data we have access to. You're not going to change anyone's mind on the internet anyways so once the discussion inevitably turns toxic I think a lot of Modern critics tend to just shut up.