I am thinking of a Boros/Jeskai Pyro-mentor shell with Feather.
Game plan/ Objectives:
1. Use your spell package to pump/protect value/ Prowess creatures and trigger Young Pyro
2. Recur spells with Feather for addn'l value
3. Refill hand with cards like Bedlam Reveler
4. Cast burn spells for the win.
I don't quite have a shell together yet, but I think it could work
What are people's thoughts on the new Saheeli for this deck?
It's basically an extra Young Pyromancer or Monastery Mentor that lets you double up on your pyromancer/mentor triggers if you copy one of them, which seems absolutely insane. I can absolutely see lines where Pyromancer gets played on turn 2, Saheeli on turn 3, then you just go off with 1 mana spells on turn 4 and get 11 tokens. Am I overvaluing this card?
EDIT:
For the math of turn 4, Pyromancer and Saheeli on the field:
-Cast 1 instant/sorcery: 1 elemental token, 1 servo token
-Copy YP with the servo: 1 elemental token, 1 YP token
-Cast 1 instant/sorcery: 3 elemental tokens, 1 YP token, 1 servo token
-Cast 1 instant/sorcery: 5 elemental tokens, 1 YP token, 2 servo tokens
-Cast 1 instant/sorcery: 7 elemental tokens, 1 YP token, 3 servo tokens
-End of turn final: 7 elemental tokens, 4 servo tokens
I actually am a huge fan of the new Saheeli. I will be testing it. Casting cost is low and easy...Her static is a known bomb ability...and her - ability can be abused in specific situations. I really like it.
I think there is a good chance this can be strong in some of our grindy/tough match ups. 3-cmc is higher than YP; but she is much harder to deal with as well (and has a secondary ability that can come in handy).
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Feather is certainly a new ability that hasn’t been seen before. I do think it lends itself well to prowess. It would be a different list than a traditional “Delver” list; but I could see it doing well with prowess creatures. It “feels” more Aggro (like you may not need blue at all); but I honestly don’t know for sure.
You’d still want to play “smart” cards as you won’t always have a feather (I.e. cards that are canttips anyways, boros charm, other modal spells, etc.). It is definitely interesting and worth testing.
Sorry for my somewhat slow responses these last few days. On vacation; so trying to enjoy the beach, etc. without looking at a computer :). Of course I can’t avoid a spoiler week! Thank god for phones!
Anywho, I’ll be back Thursday and back to my normal pace.
I'm back home. I had a great vacation and loved seeing the new cards and how you all felt about them. I have to say this set looks AWESOME. The design of some of these planeswalkers is exactly what I like to see. I prefer a more specific planeswalker. By that I mean a planeswalker that fits in a specific archetype/deck rather than just a powerful overall planeswalker.
I did get a chance to test Saheeli in one match when I got back. She did exactly what I thought she would do. She took over the game and copied a couple of snapcaster mages. However, I don't think she will be a mainboard option in my specific deck. I definitely think she will be built around with young pyromancer and she will be played in modern. She is super powerful, especially in a deck that plays snapcaster mage and bedlem reveler. Her main downside is that she doesn't affect the board immediately. That is a large downside in modern. She will be great in games that have stalled a little or games where you are ahead, however, in games where you are behind she may not be the best option. I think she will be a fine sideboard option for grindy matchups for me personally.
Ral Zarek is another awesome design. This is a card I am very excited about, but not for my jeskai delver deck. Moreso for my jeskai superfriends turns deck. I definitely think he could work well in a very prowess oriented deck at the top end.
I can't wait to test all of these cards and see how the new modern looks. If it slows down a bit we will be in a great place. We can easily take care of the glass cannon combo decks that take advantage of midrange and we can hold our own against midrange. It should be a lot of fun.
Good call Mr.Tzoulis. I didn't even think that it already copied a card on the board. That really makes her all but unplayable for me. I am still excited for Ral Zarek. However, again I don't know if it will really be playable in this particular deck, but he is super fun. I haven't had a ton of time to test lately. Dovin's Veto is a definite addition to our sideboard. I was really hoping for a RU model spell, but that may have to wait until after modern horizons.
He should have been the other green walker with a side story of how hes still hunting lili.
I really hate that wotc basically pandered to a girl who decided to be overtly dramatic about a card art. Thus ruining the involvement of many ppls favorite walker in the game.
Other than that I love this set and spoilers. Its not very clear what will be super strong in modern but I cant help but feel a simic or UWG deck will pop up soon. The simic cards in this set are sleepers in my opinion and we should keep an eye out. Maybe time to dust off spell snare for many of us.
Apart from that im not sure what will give us troubke from this new set, i see no counter control cards that we should worry about.
I do see some control/tempo cards here though. New teferi has peaked my interest. I think it could do very well as a 1-2 of in the sideboard for sure.
Also that red card that lets you cast an X cost instant and sorcery from the gy.. that card seems to be usable but im still not sure how or where.
Private Mod Note
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Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Modern RUAffinityUR GMono Green StompyG CEldrazi TronC URWJeskai GeistWRU WRBoros BurnRW BRWMardu PyromancerWRB
Update for week 15 FNM.
I went 2-2-1. 2 wins, 2 losses, 1 draw.
Same upsetting as before.
I lost against tron, missplay of me. I had killing blow game 1 but I sadly miss that opportunity because I was thinking about my old style with snapcaster.
The second lost was against flicker with land destroy. It's was RNG like horse *****. If I could draw my answer he's vial. But sometimes ***** happens.
Easy win against elf deck. Moderate win against soulsisters.
First match was against my friend with he's new deck. Pyro prison. We draw that match. After game 2 did we both agree on draw. It's was 4 min left :P.
But I like to say. This I gona play on SM modern I linkoping i Sweden at the end of May.
Mayby one of you guys are there?
I am in the US MrWickard, but best of luck in Sweden at the end of May!
I am really interested in this new card - Narset's Reversal. It is super spicey and super versatile, however, it's also super strange. I definitely need to test with it to see if I like it. I am excited to try it.
Definitely one of the best $0.25 cards ever printed
For three mana you get two activations of a flipped Azcanta while your Phoenix/Storm/Control opponent can only draw one card per turn! That's strong enough to deserve a spot in my SB I think.
I printed some proxys so that I can playtest with Feather next week. This is what I am going to use:
The deck should run pretty smooth with 6 draw effects and 4 Scry effects. I chose Dawn Charm and Valorous Stance because it they're modal and still can target my creatures and therefore trigger Feather.
A friend from my LGS who'll help me with the playtesting has Zoo, GB Rock, Grixis Shadow, Burn and Infect. Let's see how this build will do against these decks.
I printed some proxys so that I can playtest with Feather next week. This is what I am going to use:
The deck should run pretty smooth with 6 draw effects and 4 Scry effects. I chose Dawn Charm and Valorous Stance because it they're modal and still can target my creatures and therefore trigger Feather.
A friend from my LGS who'll help me with the playtesting has Zoo, GB Rock, Grixis Shadow, Burn and Infect. Let's see how this build will do against these decks.
That deck looks awesome and super fun and exciting to play Well done sir. I can't wait to hear how it goes. I am working on a new list as well. I will take pictures soon.
I guess, I will end up keep playing my usual Jeskai Delver deck anyways. I love it too much
My current build does very well (you can see it in the attached pic).
I played 18 matches on MTGO during the last nine days and I am 15-3 with the deck!
I tried to check but the replay feature in MTGO isn't working for that match -_-
Can't remember. Sorry.
However, today I also had a 0-2, against Martyr Proc. I really think this match up is almost unwinnable. Opponent had 2 Martyr of Sands during both games and used them with X=6 and X=5 to gain 33 life. First game I fought long and hard and dealt 40 damage before I was out of gas and he resolved Elspeth, Sun's Champion, second game I scooped earlier...
I am thinking of a Boros/Jeskai Pyro-mentor shell with Feather.
Game plan/ Objectives:
1. Use your spell package to pump/protect value/ Prowess creatures and trigger Young Pyro
2. Recur spells with Feather for addn'l value
3. Refill hand with cards like Bedlam Reveler
4. Cast burn spells for the win.
I don't quite have a shell together yet, but I think it could work
It's basically an extra Young Pyromancer or Monastery Mentor that lets you double up on your pyromancer/mentor triggers if you copy one of them, which seems absolutely insane. I can absolutely see lines where Pyromancer gets played on turn 2, Saheeli on turn 3, then you just go off with 1 mana spells on turn 4 and get 11 tokens. Am I overvaluing this card?
EDIT:
For the math of turn 4, Pyromancer and Saheeli on the field:
-Cast 1 instant/sorcery: 1 elemental token, 1 servo token
-Copy YP with the servo: 1 elemental token, 1 YP token
-Cast 1 instant/sorcery: 3 elemental tokens, 1 YP token, 1 servo token
-Cast 1 instant/sorcery: 5 elemental tokens, 1 YP token, 2 servo tokens
-Cast 1 instant/sorcery: 7 elemental tokens, 1 YP token, 3 servo tokens
-End of turn final: 7 elemental tokens, 4 servo tokens
I think there is a good chance this can be strong in some of our grindy/tough match ups. 3-cmc is higher than YP; but she is much harder to deal with as well (and has a secondary ability that can come in handy).
_____
Feather is certainly a new ability that hasn’t been seen before. I do think it lends itself well to prowess. It would be a different list than a traditional “Delver” list; but I could see it doing well with prowess creatures. It “feels” more Aggro (like you may not need blue at all); but I honestly don’t know for sure.
You’d still want to play “smart” cards as you won’t always have a feather (I.e. cards that are canttips anyways, boros charm, other modal spells, etc.). It is definitely interesting and worth testing.
T2: thing in the ice
T3: saheeli, -2 T1 artifact copying Thing in the Ice, transform and swing
Reliable triggers with Feather returning pseudocantrips? Check!
Massive damage boosts from the new Saheeli? Check!
I went 2-2 last FNM but i was so close to go 3-1. And yeah I like the new set up indeed.
Tron 1-2
Mono black discard 2-1
Eldrazi flicker 2-1
Dredge 1-2
I diden't fine my answear to dregde. My rip was gone in the deck :P.
But titi perfom very well
Anywho, I’ll be back Thursday and back to my normal pace.
I did get a chance to test Saheeli in one match when I got back. She did exactly what I thought she would do. She took over the game and copied a couple of snapcaster mages. However, I don't think she will be a mainboard option in my specific deck. I definitely think she will be built around with young pyromancer and she will be played in modern. She is super powerful, especially in a deck that plays snapcaster mage and bedlem reveler. Her main downside is that she doesn't affect the board immediately. That is a large downside in modern. She will be great in games that have stalled a little or games where you are ahead, however, in games where you are behind she may not be the best option. I think she will be a fine sideboard option for grindy matchups for me personally.
Ral Zarek is another awesome design. This is a card I am very excited about, but not for my jeskai delver deck. Moreso for my jeskai superfriends turns deck. I definitely think he could work well in a very prowess oriented deck at the top end.
I can't wait to test all of these cards and see how the new modern looks. If it slows down a bit we will be in a great place. We can easily take care of the glass cannon combo decks that take advantage of midrange and we can hold our own against midrange. It should be a lot of fun.
UW Control
UWR Geist
UWR Control
That would be awesome JulsSkogs! I would love to see that.
He should have been the other green walker with a side story of how hes still hunting lili.
I really hate that wotc basically pandered to a girl who decided to be overtly dramatic about a card art. Thus ruining the involvement of many ppls favorite walker in the game.
Other than that I love this set and spoilers. Its not very clear what will be super strong in modern but I cant help but feel a simic or UWG deck will pop up soon. The simic cards in this set are sleepers in my opinion and we should keep an eye out. Maybe time to dust off spell snare for many of us.
Apart from that im not sure what will give us troubke from this new set, i see no counter control cards that we should worry about.
I do see some control/tempo cards here though. New teferi has peaked my interest. I think it could do very well as a 1-2 of in the sideboard for sure.
Also that red card that lets you cast an X cost instant and sorcery from the gy.. that card seems to be usable but im still not sure how or where.
RUAffinityUR
GMono Green StompyG
CEldrazi TronC
URWJeskai GeistWRU
WRBoros BurnRW
BRWMardu PyromancerWRB
I went 2-2-1. 2 wins, 2 losses, 1 draw.
Same upsetting as before.
I lost against tron, missplay of me. I had killing blow game 1 but I sadly miss that opportunity because I was thinking about my old style with snapcaster.
The second lost was against flicker with land destroy. It's was RNG like horse *****. If I could draw my answer he's vial. But sometimes ***** happens.
Easy win against elf deck. Moderate win against soulsisters.
First match was against my friend with he's new deck. Pyro prison. We draw that match. After game 2 did we both agree on draw. It's was 4 min left :P.
But I like to say. This I gona play on SM modern I linkoping i Sweden at the end of May.
Mayby one of you guys are there?
I am really interested in this new card - Narset's Reversal. It is super spicey and super versatile, however, it's also super strange. I definitely need to test with it to see if I like it. I am excited to try it.
Definitely one of the best $0.25 cards ever printed
For three mana you get two activations of a flipped Azcanta while your Phoenix/Storm/Control opponent can only draw one card per turn! That's strong enough to deserve a spot in my SB I think.
this makes me think.. will we see counter spell in horizons..?? really makes me think.
But it looks awesome nonetheless. Very spicy and would be a great card vs something like jund
RUAffinityUR
GMono Green StompyG
CEldrazi TronC
URWJeskai GeistWRU
WRBoros BurnRW
BRWMardu PyromancerWRB
The deck should run pretty smooth with 6 draw effects and 4 Scry effects. I chose Dawn Charm and Valorous Stance because it they're modal and still can target my creatures and therefore trigger Feather.
A friend from my LGS who'll help me with the playtesting has Zoo, GB Rock, Grixis Shadow, Burn and Infect. Let's see how this build will do against these decks.
That deck looks awesome and super fun and exciting to play Well done sir. I can't wait to hear how it goes. I am working on a new list as well. I will take pictures soon.
My current build does very well (you can see it in the attached pic).
I played 18 matches on MTGO during the last nine days and I am 15-3 with the deck!
Great job though!
RUAffinityUR
GMono Green StompyG
CEldrazi TronC
URWJeskai GeistWRU
WRBoros BurnRW
BRWMardu PyromancerWRB
Can't remember. Sorry.
However, today I also had a 0-2, against Martyr Proc. I really think this match up is almost unwinnable. Opponent had 2 Martyr of Sands during both games and used them with X=6 and X=5 to gain 33 life. First game I fought long and hard and dealt 40 damage before I was out of gas and he resolved Elspeth, Sun's Champion, second game I scooped earlier...
That card is quite powerful but we need to negate that life gain if we are to win. That is the only way to win.
RUAffinityUR
GMono Green StompyG
CEldrazi TronC
URWJeskai GeistWRU
WRBoros BurnRW
BRWMardu PyromancerWRB