The core is already solid, but I'd like to see more Delirium cards that are worth playing. We've only had two sets with Delirium, and this deck was able to spawn from it. New, more powerful Delirium cards have the potential to push us over the top imo.
I don't think we need more delerium cards. Grim Flayer and traverse are good enough. I would dare say more delerium would be a problem as we become even more GY reliant. It's the problem with the base colors of sultai, in general there's just a lack of power that others have. GB is a strong color combo and U and B are strong on their own but GU or UB lack some of the raw power cards that traverse wants to fetch for. We make up for it in utility. We just have to wait, sooner or later something will come along to push is into a higher bracket. Fatal push was a great start. What we need is baleful strix. Too bad that will never happen
Fair enough, although the deck is already almost entirely reliant on the graveyard. Another Delirium card isn't going to make that more of a problem than it already is. If we had Strix all of our prayers would be answered lol.
Fair enough, although the deck is already almost entirely reliant on the graveyard. Another Delirium card isn't going to make that more of a problem than it already is. If we had Strix all of our prayers would be answered lol.
I like that list a lot actually. It seems to draw inspiration from Jadine Klomparens and her Abzan Traverse list, and makes room for powerful cards like LotV, which I was missing when I played the previous Delirium builds.
Fair enough, although the deck is already almost entirely reliant on the graveyard. Another Delirium card isn't going to make that more of a problem than it already is. If we had Strix all of our prayers would be answered lol.
Fair enough, although the deck is already almost entirely reliant on the graveyard. Another Delirium card isn't going to make that more of a problem than it already is. If we had Strix all of our prayers would be answered lol.
O man that looks really good to me. A fusion Between my original list and willy edels abzan traverse. I think my list was a bit ambitious with higher cost cards and utility traverse targets, and those higher cost card made lotv much less appealing as plusing her early made them hard to use. So trimming those cards and adding an s tier and still synergistic card like lili is great. I will have to talk to snook about it next time I see him at an event.
Fair enough, although the deck is already almost entirely reliant on the graveyard. Another Delirium card isn't going to make that more of a problem than it already is. If we had Strix all of our prayers would be answered lol.
O man that looks really good to me. A fusion Between my original list and willy edels abzan traverse. I think my list was a bit ambitious with higher cost cards and utility traverse targets, and those higher cost card made lotv much less appealing as plusing her early made them hard to use. So trimming those cards and adding an s tier and still synergistic card like lili is great. I will have to talk to snook about it next time I see him at an event.
Hello my friends, I also really liked the list, but I have a question.
With 19 lands instead of 22 is the mana base still concise or is bit too ambitious ?
I've done a small amount of testing with the list so far, and I think 19 lands is ok. I could see going up to 20 though, because there have been times where I got stuck on 2 lands. We do have 4 Traverse to find land if we really need it.
That being said, I'm really enjoying the more aggressive list. It cuts down on some of the "fluff" of the original lists and is more streamlined, giving it a smoother and more consistent feel. I did make a couple minor changes to the deck in testing, which was -1 Murderous Cut +1 Dismember, and -1 Bauble +1 Architects of Will.
EDIT: After a bit more testing, I don't like Tasigur in a Delirium-focused build. Delve is a non-bo with nearly the entire deck. His activated ability is great, but I'm not under the impression that it's worth the trouble Delve can be.
On the main deck I took -1 Mishra's Bauble and placed +1 Architects of Will because it works best in the late game and it's easier to trigger delirium.
I put +1 Dismember instead of -1 Murderous Cut because I particularly think it fits more in the deck proposal.
And I put +1 Overgrown Tomb by removing -1 Liliana of the Veil to see if the mana base is more concise (but if the deck usually runs with 19 lands I'll put LotV again).
As for the sideboard I changed cards according to my current meta which has many Dredges, Grixis control, Trons, decks derived from DS and the new Counters Company deck's, so I put a copy of Disdainful Stroke because it is good against decks that use Cryptic Command, Damnation, Collected Company and bombs like Tron and Eldrazi Tron usually play's).
What did you guys think of the changes that i made in the new list?
Any advice ?
Any thoughts ?
On the main deck I took -1 Mishra's Bauble and placed +1 Architects of Will because it works best in the late game and it's easier to trigger delirium.
I put +1 Dismember instead of -1 Murderous Cut because I particularly think it fits more in the deck proposal.
And I put +1 Overgrown Tomb by removing -1 Liliana of the Veil to see if the mana base is more concise (but if the deck usually runs with 19 lands I'll put LotV again).
As for the sideboard I changed cards according to my current meta which has many Dredges, Grixis control, Trons, decks derived from DS and the new Counters Company deck's, so I put a copy of Disdainful Stroke because it is good against decks that use Cryptic Command, Damnation, Collected Company and bombs like Tron and Eldrazi Tron usually play's).
What did you guys think of the changes that i made in the new list?
Any advice ?
Any thoughts ?
I think it looks good.. interested for results with Tasigur... I think he kinda of can be a bit difficult as we utilize the yard for delirium.
Remy, I like your list. I too went up to 20 lands by cutting a LoTV and I think it's correct. I don't like Tasigur, I feel like he interrupts our Delirium plan too often. I'm playing a Courser of Kruphix in his slot and I haven't looked back.
Has anybody actually tried To the Slaughter in the sideboard? Vizier of the Menagerie have a home here?
If you're expecting decks with Nahiri, UW Control, Jund/Junk, etc then To The Slaughter could earn a spot in the sideboard. I think it's a bit too narrow otherwise. I don't think we run enough creatures to play Vizier.
Has anybody actually tried To the Slaughter in the sideboard? Vizier of the Menagerie have a home here?
Hello my friend I think the Vizier of the Menagerie does not work well on the deck equally to Nissa, Steward of Elements both are good cards but for an aggro deck as we have enough magic on the deck I do not think they work well.
To the Slaughter, it is a good card, however its cost is quite high and for it to be used in its totality your meta must have decks that use planeswalkers because to sacrifice creatures we have Liliana of The Veil (that is used in some lists) Which does its job a lot better in my opinion.
As for Tasigur, the Golden Fang I think it's a good card because it does not necessarily need to be cast for 1 mana, for 3 or 4 manas it's still a good card and his ability especially in games against jund and abzan is very useful to the deck.
But my friend, since the list is new and the meta varies from city to city, I believe that all the tests are valid and maybe in the near future we will get to a definitive list.
Just curious. I used to play a sultai midrange/control deck. Not sure of the main problems with this deck. It's next one I'm going to build and test. But I used to run bow of nylea in my board to help with burn and infect and even stalemates with bigger creatures then you always can trade in combat if nothing else. This was also before fatal push but do you think now of nylea could help
The most glaring issue with the deck is that it can fold pretty hard to graveyard hate. Luckily we have main deck hand disruption and Abrupt Decay to help deal with this. Other than that, the deck is fairly consistent and a lot of fun whether you choose to play the more aggressive list with Flayer or the original midrange list.
Infect is pretty much dead. Burn is a rough match up, but I think Collective Brutality is the best choice against them for SB. As for dealing with big creatures, Big Game Hunter is what most of us are playing.
Makes sense. I guess my "tech" is outdated now that infect has died. I am hoping to run something like this once I get of my esper kick lol. I'll be keeping up with thread. Even if I decide to go more midrange route. Good work with thread. Keep it up it's how new things come norml
Check out the new card that was spoiled today. One mana unearth for snapcaster, goyf, and grim flayer...I think this card is worth some testing. I believe its called Claim//Fame.
Check out the new card that was spoiled today. One mana unearth for snapcaster, goyf, and grim flayer...I think this card is worth some testing. I believe its called Claim//Fame.
My first impression is that it's a little too situational, and I think Eternal Witness is a better choice since it can get back anything. 1 mana vs 3 mana is definitely relevant though. It's worth testing.
A little update on the Flayer list, I've cut the MD Big Game Hunter for a 3rd Liliana of the Veil. I find myself almost always wanting to cast her on turn 3, I like the change so far.
Hey guys. I´ve been toying around with a list close to these last ones, and i like it a lot. It was pretty unbeleievable how some people consiedered grim flayer not to be an automatic 4 of in these types of decks. Its not the best threat, since there´s a lot of goyfs, tasigurs, anglers and death´s shadows running around, but it´s an incredible threat on it´s own, and the ability is really really good.
I originally palyed 4 color gifts, but then decided to sell every modern staple, fetchlands, snapcasters, lotV...you name it; but at the end of the day there was only one single card i missed, and that was liliana of the veil. As a result, i decided to buy them back, and build a deck that played just a bunch of good cards.
A few things. I actually like gnarlwood dryad as a metagame call. It´s kinda tough to deal with tasigur, angler and shadow... so having a tutorable road block is pretty good. It´s also really really good against burn. It trades off early, and eats dudes later on. It´s bascially a modern version of nimble mongoose, if you think of this deck as a "legacy tempo deck"... of sorts. Cheap threat that kicks ass late game. I was laughed at for playing this, but not dealing with it, and having to deal with literally every other permanent this deck can put out(except maybe snapcaster mage), means that it itself, becomes a threat. It´s a cool card
I like courser. Tough to kill, not fatal pushable, an enchantment/creature for delirium, synergizes with grim flayer and jace... just good. Maybe 3 is too much, but i think the card is great.
That´s another thing, the cards are all great. They´re great cards on their own. Kind of like jund. BUT, there is a lot of synergy here. I´ve +1 of liliana, the last hope on an obstinate baloth, hit with a 4/4 flayer, to mill a thoughtseize and flash it back with jace to strip my opponent off of his primeval titan. All around just a lot of synergy: jace+courser, courser+flayer, flayer+jace.
Just like jund, every threat is a must kill (maybe not the snapcaster or the dryads, i´m only playing 2 of the latter), and that is awesome. I like calling this deck "blue-jund". The cards are just good. I´ve lost to burn once, and affinity once too, because of a mistake, but i´ve also 5-0´d a tournament at my LGS, beating jeskai delver, eldrazi tron, 8 rack, UW control and jund deaths shadow.
The mana base could be better (and should), the sideboard is a mess (i don´t own any big game hunters, which i should be playing), i don´t think scavenging ooze is a md card, might switch it for somehting else. Other cards i like are: hangarback walker, Kalitas, traitor of ghet,thrun, the last troll. All which i should consider. Maybe hangarback walker instead of scavenging ooze? Ooze seems matchup dependent, not something i´m fond of. Mishra's Bauble i probably wouldn´t play even if i had. I like the 19 land 4 bauble 4 traverse, but i think it´s fine without the baubles honestly.
I am going to be trying out Nimble Obstructionist as a 1 of main board. I think it is a pretty strong contender against most of the top tier decks in the format right now. I took out emrakul and grave titan and have ishkanah in my top slot.
I am going to be trying out Nimble Obstructionist as a 1 of main board. I think it is a pretty strong contender against most of the top tier decks in the format right now. I took out emrakul and grave titan and have ishkanah in my top slot.
Love that new card. Interested to hear how it works out. What would you say it's applications are against Tron and Valakut (my least favorite archetypes to play against)? Seems like Maelstrom Pulse is one of our only answers, barring the proactive Thoughtseize and Inquisition
BGX Midrange
URX Control
Modern: BG eldrazi midrange
BWG Abzan value evolution
BUG BUG Midrange
Tiny Leaders: BW Athreos Zombies
Commander: BG Gitrog Monster
What do you guys think of this list? It's more aggressive but I'm liking it.
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15802&d=297003&f=MO
BGX Midrange
URX Control
It seems fun, definitely more aggro. Interested to see the Snapcaster Mage I think he can provide some extra value in both styles of this deck.
Here is my current list:
3x Bloodstained Mire
4x Blooming Marsh
1x Breeding Pool
1x Darkslick Shores
1x Forest
1x Ghost Quarter
1x Hinterland Harbor
1x Island
2x Overgrown Tomb
4x Polluted Delta
1x Swamp
1x Verdant Catacombs
1x Watery Grave
1x Snapcaster Mage
1x Courser of Kruphix
1x Emrakul, the Promised End
3x Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Shriekmaw
4x Street Wraith
4x Tarmogoyf
Artifact (3)
3x Mishra's Bauble
Sorcery (10)
3x Inquisition of Kozilek
1x Maelstrom Pulse
2x Thoughtseize
4x Traverse the Ulvenwald
2x Abrupt Decay
1x Dismember
4x Fatal Push
Planeswalker (2)
1x Liliana of the Veil
1x Liliana, the Last Hope
O man that looks really good to me. A fusion Between my original list and willy edels abzan traverse. I think my list was a bit ambitious with higher cost cards and utility traverse targets, and those higher cost card made lotv much less appealing as plusing her early made them hard to use. So trimming those cards and adding an s tier and still synergistic card like lili is great. I will have to talk to snook about it next time I see him at an event.
Hello my friends, I also really liked the list, but I have a question.
With 19 lands instead of 22 is the mana base still concise or is bit too ambitious ?
That being said, I'm really enjoying the more aggressive list. It cuts down on some of the "fluff" of the original lists and is more streamlined, giving it a smoother and more consistent feel. I did make a couple minor changes to the deck in testing, which was -1 Murderous Cut +1 Dismember, and -1 Bauble +1 Architects of Will.
EDIT: After a bit more testing, I don't like Tasigur in a Delirium-focused build. Delve is a non-bo with nearly the entire deck. His activated ability is great, but I'm not under the impression that it's worth the trouble Delve can be.
BGX Midrange
URX Control
Here's my decklist:
1 Treetop Village
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Breeding Pool
4 Blooming Marsh
4 Polluted Delta
1 Forest
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Watery Grave
2 Overgrown Tomb
Creatures (16)
1 Architects of Will
1 Big Game Hunter
4 Grim Flayer
3 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Snapcaster Mage
4 Tarmogoyf
1 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
Artifact's (3)
3 Mishra's Bauble
4 Traverse the Ulvenwald
3 Thoughtseize
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Dismember
4 Fatal Push
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Maelstrom Pulse
Planeswalkers (3)
2 Liliana of the Veil
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
Lands (2)
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Ghost Quarter
Creatures (5)
1 Big Game Hunter
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Fulminator Mage
1 Tireless Tracker
1 Reclamation Sage
Sorcery And Instant (8)
2 Collective Brutality
2 Countersquall
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Flaying Tendrils
1 Disdainful Stroke
On the main deck I took -1 Mishra's Bauble and placed +1 Architects of Will because it works best in the late game and it's easier to trigger delirium.
I put +1 Dismember instead of -1 Murderous Cut because I particularly think it fits more in the deck proposal.
And I put +1 Overgrown Tomb by removing -1 Liliana of the Veil to see if the mana base is more concise (but if the deck usually runs with 19 lands I'll put LotV again).
As for the sideboard I changed cards according to my current meta which has many Dredges, Grixis control, Trons, decks derived from DS and the new Counters Company deck's, so I put a copy of Disdainful Stroke because it is good against decks that use Cryptic Command, Damnation, Collected Company and bombs like Tron and Eldrazi Tron usually play's).
What did you guys think of the changes that i made in the new list?
Any advice ?
Any thoughts ?
I think it looks good.. interested for results with Tasigur... I think he kinda of can be a bit difficult as we utilize the yard for delirium.
If you're expecting decks with Nahiri, UW Control, Jund/Junk, etc then To The Slaughter could earn a spot in the sideboard. I think it's a bit too narrow otherwise. I don't think we run enough creatures to play Vizier.
My current list for comparison:
4 Grim Flayer
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
1 Snapcaster Mage
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Big Game Hunter
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Architects of Will
Instants
4 Fatal Push
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Dismember
Sorceries
4 Traverse the Ulvenwald
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Thoughtseize
1 Maelstrom Pulse
3 Mishra's Bauble
Walkers
2 Liliana of the Veil
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
Lands
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Polluted Delta
4 Blooming Marsh
2 Overgrown Tomb
1 Breeding Pool
1 Watery Grave
1 Creeping Tar Pit
1 Forest
1 Swamp
1 Island
2 Collective Brutality
2 Countersquall
2 Fulminator Mage
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Tireless Tracker
1 Big Game Hunter
1 Flaying Tendrils
1 Damnation
1 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Tooth Collector
BGX Midrange
URX Control
Hello my friend I think the Vizier of the Menagerie does not work well on the deck equally to Nissa, Steward of Elements both are good cards but for an aggro deck as we have enough magic on the deck I do not think they work well.
To the Slaughter, it is a good card, however its cost is quite high and for it to be used in its totality your meta must have decks that use planeswalkers because to sacrifice creatures we have Liliana of The Veil (that is used in some lists) Which does its job a lot better in my opinion.
As for Tasigur, the Golden Fang I think it's a good card because it does not necessarily need to be cast for 1 mana, for 3 or 4 manas it's still a good card and his ability especially in games against jund and abzan is very useful to the deck.
But my friend, since the list is new and the meta varies from city to city, I believe that all the tests are valid and maybe in the near future we will get to a definitive list.
I like your list too seems pretty consistent.
So after some punctual changes my decklist looks like this:
1 Treetop Village
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Breeding Pool
4 Blooming Marsh
4 Polluted Delta
1 Forest (#246)
1 Island (#237)
1 Swamp (#241)
1 Watery Grave
2 Overgrown Tomb
Creatures (16)
1 Architects of Will
1 Big Game Hunter
1 Courser of Kruphix
4 Grim Flayer
3 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Snapcaster Mage
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Mishra's Bauble
Sorcery And Instant (18)
4 Traverse the Ulvenwald
3 Thoughtseize
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Dismember
4 Fatal Push
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Maelstrom Pulse
Planeswalkers (3)
2 Liliana of the Veil
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
Lands (1)
1 Ghost Quarter
Creatures (4)
1 Big Game Hunter
1 Fulminator Mage
1 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Reclamation Sage
Sorcery And Instant (10)
2 Collective Brutality
2 Countersquall
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Flaying Tendrils
2 Disdainful Stroke
DECKS:
MODERN:
BUILT:
WBGJunkWBG
BURGrixis ControlBUR
BUILDING:
BGEldraziBG
Infect is pretty much dead. Burn is a rough match up, but I think Collective Brutality is the best choice against them for SB. As for dealing with big creatures, Big Game Hunter is what most of us are playing.
BGX Midrange
URX Control
DECKS:
MODERN:
BUILT:
WBGJunkWBG
BURGrixis ControlBUR
BUILDING:
BGEldraziBG
A little update on the Flayer list, I've cut the MD Big Game Hunter for a 3rd Liliana of the Veil. I find myself almost always wanting to cast her on turn 3, I like the change so far.
Also, we need a better primer!
BGX Midrange
URX Control
I originally palyed 4 color gifts, but then decided to sell every modern staple, fetchlands, snapcasters, lotV...you name it; but at the end of the day there was only one single card i missed, and that was liliana of the veil. As a result, i decided to buy them back, and build a deck that played just a bunch of good cards.
I´m playing:
1 Breeding Pool
1 Forest
1 Island
2 Overgrown Tomb
4 Polluted Delta
2 Swamp
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Watery Grave
2 Botanical Sanctum
1 Misty Rainforest
2 Hissing quagmire
1 Urborg, tomb of yawgmoth
3 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Snapcaster Mage
2 Gnarlwood Dryad
3 Courser of kruphix
3 Abrupt Decay
4 Fatal Push
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Collective brutality
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Thoughtseize
4 Traverse the Ulvenwald
3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
1 liliana, the Last Hope
1 Gnarlwood dryad
1 surgical extraction
2 negate
2 Feed the clan
1 Reclamation sage
1 spellskite
1 darkblast
1 engineered explosives
1 natural state
1 seal of primordium
1 dismember
1 maelstrom pulse
A few things. I actually like gnarlwood dryad as a metagame call. It´s kinda tough to deal with tasigur, angler and shadow... so having a tutorable road block is pretty good. It´s also really really good against burn. It trades off early, and eats dudes later on. It´s bascially a modern version of nimble mongoose, if you think of this deck as a "legacy tempo deck"... of sorts. Cheap threat that kicks ass late game. I was laughed at for playing this, but not dealing with it, and having to deal with literally every other permanent this deck can put out(except maybe snapcaster mage), means that it itself, becomes a threat. It´s a cool card
I like courser. Tough to kill, not fatal pushable, an enchantment/creature for delirium, synergizes with grim flayer and jace... just good. Maybe 3 is too much, but i think the card is great.
That´s another thing, the cards are all great. They´re great cards on their own. Kind of like jund. BUT, there is a lot of synergy here. I´ve +1 of liliana, the last hope on an obstinate baloth, hit with a 4/4 flayer, to mill a thoughtseize and flash it back with jace to strip my opponent off of his primeval titan. All around just a lot of synergy: jace+courser, courser+flayer, flayer+jace.
Just like jund, every threat is a must kill (maybe not the snapcaster or the dryads, i´m only playing 2 of the latter), and that is awesome. I like calling this deck "blue-jund". The cards are just good. I´ve lost to burn once, and affinity once too, because of a mistake, but i´ve also 5-0´d a tournament at my LGS, beating jeskai delver, eldrazi tron, 8 rack, UW control and jund deaths shadow.
The mana base could be better (and should), the sideboard is a mess (i don´t own any big game hunters, which i should be playing), i don´t think scavenging ooze is a md card, might switch it for somehting else. Other cards i like are: hangarback walker, Kalitas, traitor of ghet,thrun, the last troll. All which i should consider. Maybe hangarback walker instead of scavenging ooze? Ooze seems matchup dependent, not something i´m fond of.
Mishra's Bauble i probably wouldn´t play even if i had. I like the 19 land 4 bauble 4 traverse, but i think it´s fine without the baubles honestly.
A huge thanks to Argetlam and the guys at Hakai studios for this awesome banner
BGX Midrange
URX Control
Love that new card. Interested to hear how it works out. What would you say it's applications are against Tron and Valakut (my least favorite archetypes to play against)? Seems like Maelstrom Pulse is one of our only answers, barring the proactive Thoughtseize and Inquisition
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