I tested izzet charm an replaced it with faithless looting about 8 games after. I can remember looking at my charms and thinking: this should be a looting. Even in mid-game. But, i took out looting to test charm. Maybe that's where i went wrong.
I have to say that I play Looting and Charm since I don't play the full-cycler-list but a list with streetwrait, riverwinder and a lot of fatties (Iona, It that betrays, etc...)
The thing with blue is that izzet charm is very very good in this deck (or at least it was for me)... You cast your combo, they crack relic in response, you let the relic kill your gy and loot 2 big creatures with izzet charm before living end resolves... the other abilities of this card are also very good and especially very flexible. If there was no izzet charm I would agree on the b/r version.
For me, the color blue is unconscionable. we have too many base cards in this deck. tolaria west , ciclers as foretold or ancestral vision
If you make a b / r version you would have to make a different thread
I tested the deck against Hardened Scales Affinity yesterday. Played 5 games preboard and 4 games postboard. Here's my results.
Preboard:
Won game one with EOT Dominance -> untap -> Cryptic tap. Lost game 2 and 3 to Inkmoth. Too fast, too many different threats. Ravager is a broken card. Won game 4 with LE off As Foretold as my opponent couldn't draw a Ravager or another threat. Lost game 5 to poison again. FFS. Overall, Ravager was definitely a problem, but the real issue was Inkmoth. Yup, all the games I lost were to poison damage. I have no real way of interacting with it preboard besides Cryptic, as Izzet Charm essentially only helps if they attack with it as a 1/1 which they'll almost never do.
I boarded as follows:
- 4 Izzet Charm
- 1 As Foretold
+ 2 Abrade
+ 2 Echoing Truth
+1 Shatterstorm
Chalice doesn't do *****, the rest is useless as well. Could've brought in Fulminator though, but figured it's too slow. Is that correct? How would you guys board?
Postboard:
Went 2-2, although it felt much more even.
Won game one with pure card advantage and even tho he nuked my GY with Crypt once, I filled it up again and killed him once he ran out of options / cards. Felt amazing.
Game two he was simply too fast, again a Ravager was involved.
Third game I kept a reeeaaally questionable hand that I shouldn't have kept (3 lands, 2 Cryptics, 1 As Foretold). It went long, I drew a 3rd Cryptic, I could stall a lot with Echoing Truth, but he drew 3 Ballistas and simply shot me to death.
Game four went long again, and I won with card advantage again. We had a weird turn were I Electrodominance'd a Inkmoth for X=1 as a pure removal spell TWICE to kill it. 6 mana + 2 cards for one threat. Thank **** for Visions. He scooped it up after I EOT'd a 3rd Dominance to kill an Inkmoth AND LE'd for 24 power.
Card choices:
Izzet Charm felt horrible preboard, so I boarded all 4 out. Cryptic felt amazing, as did As Foretold. Electrodominance is much more flexible than it looks. It's removal and card advantage all in one card, especially with Visions. Speaking of which, resolving a Visions is the secret in this matchup and I'd never board it out. Abrade was fine, Echoing Truth always broke the flow of the game. Bouncing 2 Overseers or 2 Hangarback Walkers for 2 mana gave me enough time to draw into real action, as Hardened Scales Affinity is, imho, way slower than expected and b) less scary after turn 5. I also bounced 2 Ballistas at once and a Ravager. I drew one or even both copies in all 4 postboard matches, so it really made a mark. Sadly I didn't draw Shatterstorm at all.
Results:
I'd say I'm a dog preboard, but the matchup feels 60-40 postboard. I just took the control route. Make the game go slow, you can always overwhelm them later. Speaking of slow: Even though I got killed by Inkmoth 3 times preboard, I didn't bring in Fulminator. But Fulminator seems necessary for Tron and Titan, so... what do?
- Which other sideboard card besides Fulminator is good against Inkmoth, Tron AND Titan? Pithing Needle maybe?
- What else could I have done differently? I own 4 Remand, but I don't like the card. It's just a glorified cycler.
- How do you approach the matchup? I expect Affinity to be everywhere in the upcoming weeks as people are sick of Phoenix and Tron - and Affinity stands it's ground against both. We're definitely the control, but for that we need more answers. Shattering Spree maybe?
we only play 8 sorcerys in the deck.although I like the possibility of filtering six cards and that one of them is the ancestral one and can draw three more cards.
maybe you could cut a one as foretold to try.
The deck is almost finished at this time. There is very little room for maneuver.
- Which other sideboard card besides Fulminator is good against Inkmoth, Tron AND Titan?
I'm running a version of this deck with chalice, blood moon, and field of ruin main deck. They've worked really well for me! The only thing is I can't run is cryptic command because of the triple-blue. I'm not really missing it though.
What are people's thoughts on Bazaar Trademage? Thinking of something along the lines of 4x faithless looting, 3x izzet charm, 4x bazaar trademage, and 4x hollow one. Does a more proactive build like this seem playable at all? Not sure about how they're gonna work around living end though.
Also, is Force of Negation playable for us? I was thinking of sideboarding it in the idea above.
I abuse gemstone caverns, so it helps me out a lot. My list is fast enough to negate drawbacks of choosing the draw and early turn hollow one distracts opponents from my gameplan.
I abuse gemstone caverns, so it helps me out a lot. My list is fast enough to negate drawbacks of choosing the draw and early turn hollow one distracts opponents from my gameplan.
Could you publish your list before they close the forum? Thank you
Looks great! I haven't played the deck in a while but am looking to get back into it with Modern Masters. What kind of changes are you considering with the new set?
I abuse gemstone caverns, so it helps me out a lot. My list is fast enough to negate drawbacks of choosing the draw and early turn hollow one distracts opponents from my gameplan.
Could you publish your list before they close the forum? Thank you
Definitely.
In the meantime, Chandra, Acolyte of Flame as a way to cast living end /AV as well as double as a wincon?
In the meantime, Chandra, Acolyte of Flame as a way to cast living end /AV as well as double as a wincon?
Chandra says "You may cast target instant or sorcery card with converted mana cost 3 or less from your graveyard. If that card would be put into your graveyard this turn, exile it instead.", which is essentially Flashback but only works while you resolve the ability.
Ancestral Vision & Living End on the other hand are spells that can't be cast with mana. Look at their rulings on Scryfall: "This has no mana cost, which means its mana cost can’t be paid for effects such as replicate from Djinn Illuminatus or flashback from Snapcaster Mage."
If you're confused now, let me clarify: Electrodominance works because it says "without paying its mana cost" and As Foretold works because it says "you may pay {0} rather than pay the mana cost". So both replace the mana cost of AV/LE.
Chandra essentially says "you can cast it if you are able to cast it with mana"... but you simply can never cast AV/LE with mana.
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For me, the color blue is unconscionable. we have too many base cards in this deck. tolaria west , ciclers as foretold or ancestral vision
If you make a b / r version you would have to make a different thread
2 Cascade Bluffs
4 Island
2 Mountain
4 Spirebluff Canal
4 Steam Vents
2 Tolaria West
2 Shivan Reef
Spells
4 Ancestral Vision
4 As Foretold
4 Cryptic Command
4 Electrodominance
4 Izzet Charm
4 Living End
4 Curator of Mysteries
4 Desert Cerodon
2 Faerie Macabre
2 Street Wraith
4 Striped Riverwinder
3 Chalice of the Void
3 Fulminator Mage
2 Abrade
2 Negate
2 Tormod's Crypt
1 Shatterstorm
2 Echoing Truth
Sooo... I need some advice.
I tested the deck against Hardened Scales Affinity yesterday. Played 5 games preboard and 4 games postboard. Here's my results.
Preboard:
Won game one with EOT Dominance -> untap -> Cryptic tap. Lost game 2 and 3 to Inkmoth. Too fast, too many different threats. Ravager is a broken card. Won game 4 with LE off As Foretold as my opponent couldn't draw a Ravager or another threat. Lost game 5 to poison again. FFS. Overall, Ravager was definitely a problem, but the real issue was Inkmoth. Yup, all the games I lost were to poison damage. I have no real way of interacting with it preboard besides Cryptic, as Izzet Charm essentially only helps if they attack with it as a 1/1 which they'll almost never do.
I boarded as follows:
- 4 Izzet Charm
- 1 As Foretold
+ 2 Abrade
+ 2 Echoing Truth
+1 Shatterstorm
Chalice doesn't do *****, the rest is useless as well. Could've brought in Fulminator though, but figured it's too slow. Is that correct? How would you guys board?
Postboard:
Went 2-2, although it felt much more even.
Won game one with pure card advantage and even tho he nuked my GY with Crypt once, I filled it up again and killed him once he ran out of options / cards. Felt amazing.
Game two he was simply too fast, again a Ravager was involved.
Third game I kept a reeeaaally questionable hand that I shouldn't have kept (3 lands, 2 Cryptics, 1 As Foretold). It went long, I drew a 3rd Cryptic, I could stall a lot with Echoing Truth, but he drew 3 Ballistas and simply shot me to death.
Game four went long again, and I won with card advantage again. We had a weird turn were I Electrodominance'd a Inkmoth for X=1 as a pure removal spell TWICE to kill it. 6 mana + 2 cards for one threat. Thank **** for Visions. He scooped it up after I EOT'd a 3rd Dominance to kill an Inkmoth AND LE'd for 24 power.
Card choices:
Izzet Charm felt horrible preboard, so I boarded all 4 out. Cryptic felt amazing, as did As Foretold. Electrodominance is much more flexible than it looks. It's removal and card advantage all in one card, especially with Visions. Speaking of which, resolving a Visions is the secret in this matchup and I'd never board it out. Abrade was fine, Echoing Truth always broke the flow of the game. Bouncing 2 Overseers or 2 Hangarback Walkers for 2 mana gave me enough time to draw into real action, as Hardened Scales Affinity is, imho, way slower than expected and b) less scary after turn 5. I also bounced 2 Ballistas at once and a Ravager. I drew one or even both copies in all 4 postboard matches, so it really made a mark. Sadly I didn't draw Shatterstorm at all.
Results:
I'd say I'm a dog preboard, but the matchup feels 60-40 postboard. I just took the control route. Make the game go slow, you can always overwhelm them later. Speaking of slow: Even though I got killed by Inkmoth 3 times preboard, I didn't bring in Fulminator. But Fulminator seems necessary for Tron and Titan, so... what do?
- Which other sideboard card besides Fulminator is good against Inkmoth, Tron AND Titan? Pithing Needle maybe?
- What else could I have done differently? I own 4 Remand, but I don't like the card. It's just a glorified cycler.
- How do you approach the matchup? I expect Affinity to be everywhere in the upcoming weeks as people are sick of Phoenix and Tron - and Affinity stands it's ground against both. We're definitely the control, but for that we need more answers. Shattering Spree maybe?
Pauper:|||B Land Destruction|||#BanGush
EDH:|||UR Nin|||BGW Karador|||#BoycottTheCommittee
Guess we have a new toy...
we only play 8 sorcerys in the deck.although I like the possibility of filtering six cards and that one of them is the ancestral one and can draw three more cards.
maybe you could cut a one as foretold to try.
The deck is almost finished at this time. There is very little room for maneuver.
20 Lands
16 utility x4 living end x4electrodominance x4 ancestral vision x4 as foretold
12 cantrips x4 Striped Riverwinder x4 desert cerodon x4 Curator of Mysteries
we only have 12 variable slots (in my deck) ()
6-8 counters (remand (3) , izzet c. (1) criptic (3) )
1-4 creatures (vendilion (1) , nimble , faerie , street , architects )
0-2 tolaria west tool (chalice (1) , tormods (1) , explosives)
0-2 removal (magma spray , abrade (2) )
I'm running a version of this deck with chalice, blood moon, and field of ruin main deck. They've worked really well for me! The only thing is I can't run is cryptic command because of the triple-blue. I'm not really missing it though.
Also, is Force of Negation playable for us? I was thinking of sideboarding it in the idea above.
BUG? and electrodominance ?
Thoughts?
Oops, I meant RUG, Temur
Kess, Dissident Mage. Looks fun! I like that you could T3 As Foretold + 0cmc suspend spell then T4 Kess + 0 or 1cmc spell from the yard.
Could you publish your list before they close the forum? Thank you
I am very happy with the results and I encourage you to try it.
1 Cascade Bluffs
1 Fiery Islet
4 Island
1 Mountain
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Spirebluff Canal
3 Tolaria West
2 Steam Vents
Creatures (13)
1 Vendilion Clique
4 Striped Riverwinder
4 Curator of Mysteries
4 Desert Cerodon
4 Living End
4 Electrodominance
4 As Foretold
4 Ancestral Vision
3 Cryptic Command
3 Remand
2 Abrade
1 Izzet Charm
Other (2)
1 Chalice of the Void
1 Tormod's Crypt
2 Blood Moon
2 Anger of the Gods
2 Chalice of the Void
1 Bottle Gnomes
2 Negate
1 Drake Haven
1 Nimble Obstructionist
1 Ravenous Trap
1 Faerie Macabre
1 Ingot Chewer
1 Shatterstorm
Regards!
Edit:
-1 Cascade Bluffs
+1 Fiery Islet
Looks great! I haven't played the deck in a while but am looking to get back into it with Modern Masters. What kind of changes are you considering with the new set?
Definitely.
In the meantime, Chandra, Acolyte of Flame as a way to cast living end /AV as well as double as a wincon?
3 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Curator of Mysteries
4 Hollow One
4 Street Wraith
4 Desert Cerodon
Other Spells(23):
3 Ancestral Vision
4 Living End
4 Faithless Looting
4 Remand
4 Electrodominance
3 As Foretold
1 Cryptic Command
3 Gemstone Caverns
1 Cascade Bluffs
1 Sulfur Falls
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Steam Vents
2 Mountain
3 island
Chandra says "You may cast target instant or sorcery card with converted mana cost 3 or less from your graveyard. If that card would be put into your graveyard this turn, exile it instead.", which is essentially Flashback but only works while you resolve the ability.
Ancestral Vision & Living End on the other hand are spells that can't be cast with mana. Look at their rulings on Scryfall: "This has no mana cost, which means its mana cost can’t be paid for effects such as replicate from Djinn Illuminatus or flashback from Snapcaster Mage."
So nope, Chandra, Acolyte of Flame doesn't help ElectroEnd at all.
If you're confused now, let me clarify: Electrodominance works because it says "without paying its mana cost" and As Foretold works because it says "you may pay {0} rather than pay the mana cost". So both replace the mana cost of AV/LE.
Chandra essentially says "you can cast it if you are able to cast it with mana"... but you simply can never cast AV/LE with mana.
Pauper:|||B Land Destruction|||#BanGush
EDH:|||UR Nin|||BGW Karador|||#BoycottTheCommittee
I misread the card the first time i saw it, which sucks.
The lifes in this deck are very important and I see it as risky to put one more copy