"Given that I am playing white / GREEN, we have remarkably similar decks.
Switch the Tithe Takers to Gaddocks, Switch the landbase to support green, and (horizon canopies) and they are the same."
Yeah, well, I copied it from your list as I believe you've tested it enough and it is refined enough and trully I like it a lot Except Legion's Landing there aren't much better picks for 1-drops IMO. I'm also sceptical about Isamaru but didn't find any better substitute right now. I like Judge's Familiar a lot and may give the bird a try next friday as 2 or 3-of. Was thinking for some time about reducing land count to 21 and Windbrisk Heights to 2 in favor of +1 Plains (it happens to slow me down quite a lot if I see it on opening hand) so 3 birds could find their spot.
WSC is some idea as Grixis is becoming a thing again. I prefer not to play him main deck though, I didn't like him that much. If Takers won't work I'll think about swapping them.
4th Spirit is an idea as well.
Emmara is cool to crew Copter... Precint Captain with the possibility of opponent doing stuff like turn 2 Angler a 2/2 isn't that dangerous and it won't trigger that often. I played him in Penny Dreadful and he wasn't shining that much.
Last week FNM I went 2'2 in my FNM, lost vs Boros Burn and U Tron.
For the first time I SB disenchant vs Tron and it was good, LRW might be better but I am scared of he being blown out and they getting back stuff.
As for Boros burn I have lost to that deck two weeks in a row even with Auriok champion out, maybe I made a lots of mistakes not attacking when I could and counting their damage, anyway is Martyr of sands really good vs Burn? I am also thinking of Basilisk Collar for that matchup.
Last Time I cast it, I gained 15 and burny man immediately quit.
Just don't cast it turn 1 and get it killed. Or get skull cracked.
Tivadar of Thorn is style, worse, but real style.
Basilisk collar seems bad.
They burn the creature as you attach, and the game is over.
Tivadar looks a bit narrow for the slot on the sideboard. Do you think Martyr is also useful vs Storm and Titan Shift? I will give it a try next week for sure.
I am SBording 4 auriok champion vs Burn every game and I normally end with one or two on the board, all games I stabilize around 7 life having a wide board of creatures, they can't attack but I can't either or not in a way that I can close the game quickly and eventually they draw burn spells, so I was thinking of equipping Auriok Champion (which are 2/2 or 3/3 normally after Thalia's Lieutenant or Benalish Marshal ETB)
I've been playing with my deck lately and it's starting to feel bad actually. It can't keep up with other aggro decks and can't kill controls and prisons fast enough from my experience.
Played vs Lantern Control 3 times, didn't win a single match. Answers did not come early enough and after turn ~4 they just lock me down.
Played vs Storm again, after SB opp kill all my threats and floods with Empty the Warrens.
Played vs mono R prison, double Ensnaring Bridge is way too hard to beat. And Chandra, Torch of Defiance is so strong...
Played vs Spirits. He had bigger creatures and just flew over my head.
Played vs Mardu Pyromancer - was hard but I won. He wasn't playing good though. He didn't know Tithe Taker taxes on fetchlands. He trades 1 for 1 with spells for my threats giving himself tokens and has Lingering Souls vs my Spectral Procession.
Played vs Phoenix. TiT bouncing everything is stupid. This is most disgusting deck I've seen in a long time.
Played vs Bant Toolbox. Spell Quellers and Deputy of Detentions being searched from Chord of Calling or Collected Company ruins this deck. Guy ate my 2 Wilt-Leaf Lieges after blockers were declared with Deputy and wiped my board hard.
Not a single game felt good. Deck does its thing consistently but it does it too slow for current modern metagame.
Tithe Taker is cool and might catch by surprise some players that doesn't know what activated abilities are. Most of the time though he was a little bigger Doomed Traveler. Didn't play him vs control decks though. I see his potential to be good... But he wasn't so far. He's very useful in standard though and screwes up reactive decks here so I wanna give him a try.
4th Selfless Spirit seems like a good idea, he overperforms quite a lot of times. I'll try to get one more.
Maybe deck needs some more taxing/hate. Leonin Arbiter is a thing but he's way better from Aether Vial. I'd lean towards Ethersworn Canonist or Spirit of the Labyrinth more.
Thanks for being honest.
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I appreciate the feedback, and have thought quite a lot about it.
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Each of the decks you are writing about is a serious deck. (And that really should be accepted.)
This is why you do not need to go into much in the way of specifics.
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I think it is fair to say that you did have game against each of them, but they just did something outrageous, and won outright.
(I mean, that is how Lantern works.)
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The decks you are losing to are not Aggro decks.
Every one of the matches you lost, the opponent beat you. They pulled off something outrageous.
You need to concentrate on the right fast creatures that gum up their mechanics.
It is still fun to play though.
Not a mention of Wallop just losing to itself.
Get more LeoA and LeoRW, some disenchant effects in the board, and give it another spin . . .
From my experience Lantern is by far my worst matchup. First it screwes with my hand throwing away my potential hate and after 3-4 turns he just locks me down. Not cool and only hope is to topdeck some artifact hate before he starts milling.
Tithe Taker didn't do well in this iteration of the deck. He's really too small and while he's overall good this deck doesn't actually value hate that much. I dropped all 4.
Added 4th Selfless Spirit. He's a beast.
3 slots left.
Leonin Arbiter I've talked about already. I don't like him that much but will give him a try.
Actually Vialing him is huge in responce to a lot of things.
Going full mana on Whir? Or maybe Chord? Fetching turn 3? Blocks Tron hard as well but works hardcasted here too.
Might be annoying vs Gifts Ungiven but would probably be burned earlier.
But cat does nothing vs Phoenix. Neither vs Dredge. Or Death's Shadow.
I don't want this deck to be good only in my local meta. I'd really like it to be decent in bigger region and that means being prepared for decks that are played in current modern metagame.
Hardcasting Leonin Arbiter isn't good enough for most meta decks.
Same with playing 4 maindeck Leonin Relic-Warders. 2/2 main/side is fine, add in 2 Stony Silence and the artifact hate is strong enough. I may find 1 more slot for Kataki, War's Wage. Remorseful Cleric might be strong though. Maindeck GY hate paired with 2/1 flying for 2 mana is something that might be good enough for this deck especially with so many graveyard-matters decks running around.
Other card I considered is Jötun Grunt.
I just don't think it's proper meta for this kind of deck to shine and my work to make it competitive is a waste. Too much unfair stuff running around. If White has to keep up with this type of metagame it has to do something unfair as well and the best way to do so in my opinion is in D&T shell.
Maybe should just go Mono W Humans.
But I can't help it. I love fair creature decks and this deck is so fun! That is until it hits Lantern. Or mono R prison. Or Dredge, Phoenix, any tribal deck...
Will try Settle the Wreckage as my Wrath of God of choice. Exiling Phoenixes, Dredge creatures or everything Hollow One has may give some edge to play vs this unfairness.
Played Legacy Soldier Stompy some time ago and boy did turn 1 Chalice of the Void or any Thalia was satisfying. I wish there was some more turn 1 acceleration in modern :/
That is a SPICY list! I like it a lot.
Only change I would make: 4x Thalia in the maindeck is a MUST. She messes with almost every gameplan in the format. And she always gets shot on-sight BECAUSE she's so good, so playing 4 is reasonable and logical, despite the Legendary issue. I would go -1 MD Gaddock Teeg for +1 MD Thalia, Guardian of Thraben. But I know you've very partial to Teeg, despite the Spectral Procession nonbo. Maybe -1 MD Leonin Relic-Warder for the 4th Thalia?
Man I have got to say, I love love LOVE this list, so much so that I made an account to post here. I'm very possibly going to be trading in some stuff I never use to pick up the few pieces that I don't have to build it.
I'm a little sad to not see any Voices in the list but I definitely get it, it's just not great right now.
One question that may have been answered before, what is the point of the Dryad Arbor? I might just be dumb, but I don't think I quite get it.
One question that may have been answered before, what is the point of the Dryad Arbor? I might just be dumb, but I don't think I quite get it.
Getting land flooded? Your fetchland turns into an extra dude. 7x maindeck Anthem effects mean that 1/1 can do work.
Extra dude is also super relevant for Windbrisk Heights.
Lastly, hold up a fetchland against Liliana of the Veil. When they -2 her, fetch in response and get Dryad Arbor. Sac Arbor to Lili instead of your high quality creatures, then kill Lili on the crackback.
From the start, this is a 'Feel Good' deck. If they win, fair enough, they have done something special.
I enjoy playing this deck, and a 4th Little Thalia adds problems and 'No Fun' draws.
Fair enough. But if you want this deck to be competitive, that 4th Little Thalia should be in the sideboard. She is super relevant against many pillars of the format where the difference between winning and losing is often Turn 2 Thalia: Red Spells, Burn, Death's Shadow, Tron, UWx Control, BGx Midrange, Storm, and more.
Alright, I bought into this list and I'm super excited to try it out.
I found a couple of other fun cards I might try in the board like Wheel of Sun and Moon, Finks, EE, Ethersworn Canonist, and I loved the idea of the Stillmoon Cavaliers so I snagged a pair of them, too. I love GW and I'm looking to just mess around with it and tune it to my local for some fun games.
Anyone trying out wild stuff in the sideboard at all?
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Switch the Tithe Takers to Gaddocks, Switch the landbase to support green, and (horizon canopies) and they are the same."
Yeah, well, I copied it from your list as I believe you've tested it enough and it is refined enough and trully I like it a lot Except Legion's Landing there aren't much better picks for 1-drops IMO. I'm also sceptical about Isamaru but didn't find any better substitute right now. I like Judge's Familiar a lot and may give the bird a try next friday as 2 or 3-of. Was thinking for some time about reducing land count to 21 and Windbrisk Heights to 2 in favor of +1 Plains (it happens to slow me down quite a lot if I see it on opening hand) so 3 birds could find their spot.
WSC is some idea as Grixis is becoming a thing again. I prefer not to play him main deck though, I didn't like him that much. If Takers won't work I'll think about swapping them.
4th Spirit is an idea as well.
Emmara is cool to crew Copter...
Precint Captain with the possibility of opponent doing stuff like turn 2 Angler a 2/2 isn't that dangerous and it won't trigger that often. I played him in Penny Dreadful and he wasn't shining that much.
For the first time I SB disenchant vs Tron and it was good, LRW might be better but I am scared of he being blown out and they getting back stuff.
As for Boros burn I have lost to that deck two weeks in a row even with Auriok champion out, maybe I made a lots of mistakes not attacking when I could and counting their damage, anyway is Martyr of sands really good vs Burn? I am also thinking of Basilisk Collar for that matchup.
Tivadar looks a bit narrow for the slot on the sideboard. Do you think Martyr is also useful vs Storm and Titan Shift? I will give it a try next week for sure.
I am SBording 4 auriok champion vs Burn every game and I normally end with one or two on the board, all games I stabilize around 7 life having a wide board of creatures, they can't attack but I can't either or not in a way that I can close the game quickly and eventually they draw burn spells, so I was thinking of equipping Auriok Champion (which are 2/2 or 3/3 normally after Thalia's Lieutenant or Benalish Marshal ETB)
The other alternative is Leyline of sanctity.
Played vs Lantern Control 3 times, didn't win a single match. Answers did not come early enough and after turn ~4 they just lock me down.
Played vs Storm again, after SB opp kill all my threats and floods with Empty the Warrens.
Played vs mono R prison, double Ensnaring Bridge is way too hard to beat. And Chandra, Torch of Defiance is so strong...
Played vs Spirits. He had bigger creatures and just flew over my head.
Played vs Mardu Pyromancer - was hard but I won. He wasn't playing good though. He didn't know Tithe Taker taxes on fetchlands. He trades 1 for 1 with spells for my threats giving himself tokens and has Lingering Souls vs my Spectral Procession.
Played vs Phoenix. TiT bouncing everything is stupid. This is most disgusting deck I've seen in a long time.
Played vs Bant Toolbox. Spell Quellers and Deputy of Detentions being searched from Chord of Calling or Collected Company ruins this deck. Guy ate my 2 Wilt-Leaf Lieges after blockers were declared with Deputy and wiped my board hard.
Not a single game felt good. Deck does its thing consistently but it does it too slow for current modern metagame.
1x Eiganjo Castle
4x Flagstones of Trokair
4x Ghost Quarter
8x Plains
2x Shefet Dunes
3x Windbrisk Heights
1-drops (13)
4x Dryad Militant
1x Isamaru, Hound of Konda
3x Kytheon, Hero of Akros
1x Legion's Landing
4x Soldier of the Pantheon
2x Leonin Relic-Warder
3x Selfless Spirit
3x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4x Tithe Taker
3-drops (6)
4x Benalish Marshal
2x Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4-drops (3)
3x Wilt-Leaf Liege
6-drop (4)
4x Spectral Procession
2x Martyr of Sands
2x Leonin Relic-Warder
4x Path to Exile
2x Rest in Peace
2x Stillmoon Cavalier
2x Stony Silence
1x Thalia, Heretic Cathar
Tithe Taker is cool and might catch by surprise some players that doesn't know what activated abilities are. Most of the time though he was a little bigger Doomed Traveler. Didn't play him vs control decks though. I see his potential to be good... But he wasn't so far. He's very useful in standard though and screwes up reactive decks here so I wanna give him a try.
4th Selfless Spirit seems like a good idea, he overperforms quite a lot of times. I'll try to get one more.
Maybe deck needs some more taxing/hate. Leonin Arbiter is a thing but he's way better from Aether Vial. I'd lean towards Ethersworn Canonist or Spirit of the Labyrinth more.
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I appreciate the feedback, and have thought quite a lot about it.
.
Each of the decks you are writing about is a serious deck. (And that really should be accepted.)
This is why you do not need to go into much in the way of specifics.
.
I think it is fair to say that you did have game against each of them, but they just did something outrageous, and won outright.
(I mean, that is how Lantern works.)
.
The decks you are losing to are not Aggro decks.
Every one of the matches you lost, the opponent beat you. They pulled off something outrageous.
You need to concentrate on the right fast creatures that gum up their mechanics.
It is still fun to play though.
Not a mention of Wallop just losing to itself.
Get more LeoA and LeoRW, some disenchant effects in the board, and give it another spin . . .
Tithe Taker didn't do well in this iteration of the deck. He's really too small and while he's overall good this deck doesn't actually value hate that much. I dropped all 4.
Added 4th Selfless Spirit. He's a beast.
3 slots left.
Leonin Arbiter I've talked about already. I don't like him that much but will give him a try.
Actually Vialing him is huge in responce to a lot of things.
Going full mana on Whir? Or maybe Chord? Fetching turn 3? Blocks Tron hard as well but works hardcasted here too.
Might be annoying vs Gifts Ungiven but would probably be burned earlier.
But cat does nothing vs Phoenix. Neither vs Dredge. Or Death's Shadow.
I don't want this deck to be good only in my local meta. I'd really like it to be decent in bigger region and that means being prepared for decks that are played in current modern metagame.
Hardcasting Leonin Arbiter isn't good enough for most meta decks.
Same with playing 4 maindeck Leonin Relic-Warders. 2/2 main/side is fine, add in 2 Stony Silence and the artifact hate is strong enough. I may find 1 more slot for Kataki, War's Wage.
Remorseful Cleric might be strong though. Maindeck GY hate paired with 2/1 flying for 2 mana is something that might be good enough for this deck especially with so many graveyard-matters decks running around.
Other card I considered is Jötun Grunt.
I just don't think it's proper meta for this kind of deck to shine and my work to make it competitive is a waste. Too much unfair stuff running around. If White has to keep up with this type of metagame it has to do something unfair as well and the best way to do so in my opinion is in D&T shell.
Maybe should just go Mono W Humans.
But I can't help it. I love fair creature decks and this deck is so fun! That is until it hits Lantern. Or mono R prison. Or Dredge, Phoenix, any tribal deck...
Will try Settle the Wreckage as my Wrath of God of choice. Exiling Phoenixes, Dredge creatures or everything Hollow One has may give some edge to play vs this unfairness.
@WotC ban Gut Shot please :/
Leyline of Sanctity helps vs decks with distruption, yes. But doesn't stop Bridge. They just Thoughtseize or Inquisition of Kozilek themselves. They target any player. So it's not a solution.
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Played Legacy Soldier Stompy some time ago and boy did turn 1 Chalice of the Void or any Thalia was satisfying. I wish there was some more turn 1 acceleration in modern :/
Only change I would make: 4x Thalia in the maindeck is a MUST. She messes with almost every gameplan in the format. And she always gets shot on-sight BECAUSE she's so good, so playing 4 is reasonable and logical, despite the Legendary issue. I would go -1 MD Gaddock Teeg for +1 MD Thalia, Guardian of Thraben. But I know you've very partial to Teeg, despite the Spectral Procession nonbo. Maybe -1 MD Leonin Relic-Warder for the 4th Thalia?
Legacy: Strawberry Shortcake, Aggro Loam, DnT+b
Modern: Devoted Karn
Vintage: Survival
I'm a little sad to not see any Voices in the list but I definitely get it, it's just not great right now.
One question that may have been answered before, what is the point of the Dryad Arbor? I might just be dumb, but I don't think I quite get it.
Fair enough. But if you want this deck to be competitive, that 4th Little Thalia should be in the sideboard. She is super relevant against many pillars of the format where the difference between winning and losing is often Turn 2 Thalia: Red Spells, Burn, Death's Shadow, Tron, UWx Control, BGx Midrange, Storm, and more.
Legacy: Strawberry Shortcake, Aggro Loam, DnT+b
Modern: Devoted Karn
Vintage: Survival
I found a couple of other fun cards I might try in the board like Wheel of Sun and Moon, Finks, EE, Ethersworn Canonist, and I loved the idea of the Stillmoon Cavaliers so I snagged a pair of them, too. I love GW and I'm looking to just mess around with it and tune it to my local for some fun games.
Anyone trying out wild stuff in the sideboard at all?