Quote from ThatStoryTeller120Sidenote: i am proxying a 1x of proclamation of rebirth for consideration in the maindeck for active card advantage. The consideration of the card as a 1-of is as a recovery tactic against certain sweepers or massive quantities of spot removal
Quote from PuddlejumperI don't anyone's really explored the potential of monowhite Jund, but it could be amazing.
Quote from urafeverThat seems terrible. The game should be over before you ever get to cast that.
Quote from pierrebaiYou lost the thread.
Quote from RhinneI dunno about that. Do we really need a 3 cmc spell to recover a few creatures?
By that point in the game, the other dude should be in bolt/helix range already.
I think i will side with urafever on this one.
And i dont mean by the point you can get 3 mana online, but at the point you could get 2 creatures back to attack and get some value out of them returning to the field.
BTW, when they come back they will be 1/1 or 0/1, without landrops or instants to transform, so im not too convinced.
Quote from CorpTI've used Proclamation before and it's better than it looks. Even getting back 2 is a lot of creatures for 3 mana. The thing is, you're already maxed on Bolts and Helix. This is another way to provide reach. It should at least be explored before being dismissed.
Quote from pedee pabloThere was a pro player that said delver is the most powerful creature that can be printed. There is no other one drop in modern that has been printed that matches delver. Hes one of the only one drops that is a good top card, and always a threat in almost every situation. People just talk crap about him because hes a 50 cent common. If he was a 60$ mythic he would get the respect he deserves. If they banned delver tomarrow decks in all format would suffer, there is no replacment of delver. And he almost created tempo decks overnight.
Quote from MastodonI disagree with this. Cards like goblin guide, nimble mongoose, and wild nacatl are just flat out better one-drops. Sure, nacatl and mongoose aren't in the format, but goblin guide still has delver beat out by a long shot in terms of consistency. Delver has nothing to do with tempo, either. He's a vanilla creature with a chance to increase his p/t. If anything, he's the best aggro blue has outside merfolk, which isn't saying much.
Quote from urafeverYes, cards that aren't legal and/or banned in modern are better than the best one drop in modern. Goblin guide isn't better, because it doesn't go into decks that are good.
Quote from RhinneIm sorry but goblin guide doesnt cut it here IMO.
People seem to forget a lot that goblin gives your opponent lands which fixes their draws, making them faster, something we do not want. He doesnt have evasion like delver, either, and is always in bolt range, unlike lynx, who can get really bad, if left untouched.
I brought up this discussion `cause i think they are the best one drops modern has to offer for WUR, but goblin guide is a card you get on UR delver, since they dont run white to support lynx.
Quote from RhinnePeople seem to forget a lot that goblin gives your opponent lands which fixes their draws, making them faster, something we do not want. He doesnt have evasion like delver, either, and is always in bolt range, unlike lynx, who can get really bad, if left untouched.
Quote from MastodonExtra lands and fixing draws is hardly ever a legitimate problem, and sometimes a non-land revealed card is one worth knowing about (a counterspell, or removal, for instance). Delver doesn't have evasion on his own either, and flying is hardly what some decks would even consider evasion anyway. Both are boltable as well, which makes that irrelevant.
I'm going to have to be foolish and stubborn here and say that I still think delver is the worst card in this deck and hardly what I would consider the backbone of this deck that relies more on the power of cards like lightning bolt and remand than something as inconsistent as delver. Against other more aggressive aggro strategies he's just another blocker. Against combo and control, there are faster aggro cards that this deck would be better off with than waiting for a delver to flip. Both while playing with and against this deck, delver is usually the card I am most disappointed with (except for maybe serum visions). He might be the best blue one-drop creature in the format, but like I said, that's not saying much.
On a side note: student of warfare and figure of destiny would be other one-drops that I'd still consider quite better than delver in the format.
Quote from HomelandZecurityBut your going to have a hard time time convincing this thread that our best card is actually our worst.
Quote from MastodonYeah, I gave it my best shot.
And I am disappointed with serum visions...because it's not as good as brainstorm or ponder. I understand its the best blue draw spell the deck has in this format, but it feels really lack-luster when compared to better draw spells that you might play with more frequently in other formats.