No love for Rancor or Lead The Stampede? I feel like theyre both pretty stapley in aggro decks
But we're also stopping them from playing their game at 100%. Neither of those cards really attack any part of the meta game as effectively as we already are.
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But we're also stopping them from playing their game at 100%. Neither of those cards really attack any part of the meta game as effectively as we already are.
EDIT: Yeah, Ambusher is coming out for Mindcensors. It's bad. No matter how much I want it to be decent, it's too reactive and crappy.
Now when you say it's coming out. Just from the main or altogether? Because it's really a solid card in the board if you have the room for it(and you do if you just swap them with Mindcensors). There are plenty of decks where free reaction cards are more than welcome.
Can anyone post kiblers latest version, with the md sword of light and shadow?
I have still been unsuccessful in finding it.
As for the Ambushers: they were a fancy play, especially when I had a liege out. That ended well. I don't like to count on opponents attacking, though, so I did remove them from the maindeck. I may put them in the sideboard, but the real-estate is precious.
I also ended up maindecking 4 Spectral Procession over souls so that I could keep black out of the manabase and militants in the maindeck, and it's working out really well.
Has anyone tried running Tarmogoyfs? I know the intent is to curve out and put a 3 drop down on turn 2, but it doesn't always happen that way and it seems some goyfs would be solid.. better than Dryad Militant which is an awful topdeck?
Has anyone tried running Tarmogoyfs? I know the intent is to curve out and put a 3 drop down on turn 2, but it doesn't always happen that way and it seems some goyfs would be solid.. better than Dryad Militant which is an awful topdeck?
Militant comes down often as a 4/3 topdeck. It's not that bad.
Have a big string of PTQs in my area starting on 3/02 and I'm planning on playing this deck as I have most of the cards and I think the deck will still be fine because even though Jund won't be as big of a player, Lilliana and Thoughtseize will still be heavily played. Right now, this is the list I'm going to test, although some feedback would be great.
The sideboard is built with the most possible hate for Affinity, Infect, Scapeshift, and UWR. The dismembers and mindscensor also come in vs Pod. Not sure what else I can do about Bogle besides another Spellskite and maybe Tempest of Light. It does make me want to add more Pridemages since they do double duty vs Bogle and Affinity. If anyone has any advice for SB vs Burn that isn't really useless elsewhere that'd be great also.
The sideboard is built with the most possible hate for Affinity, Infect, Scapeshift, and UWR. The dismembers and mindscensor also come in vs Pod. Not sure what else I can do about Bogle besides another Spellskite and maybe Tempest of Light. It does make me want to add more Pridemages since they do double duty vs Bogle and Affinity. If anyone has any advice for SB vs Burn that isn't really useless elsewhere that'd be great also.
Focusing on Bogle, for a second. Pridemages are not enough in this matchup, and it's definitely becoming a big part of the meta, at least for me. I can't even consider running any fewer than 3 Back to Nature because of that ridiculous deck. Maybe you guys are seeing less of it than I am, but it's really irritating. Back to Nature is such a bad card, otherwise.
Also, I'd agree with chard on leyline... but it's so hard to commit enough slots to it to make it worthwhile. It's really great in the RDW matchup, and even against Jund and one or two other decks, but you really have to run 3 or 4 to make sure you see it in your opening hand without aggressive mulls
Ok for all you people out there that think Leyline of Sanctity is the Silver Bullet vs. Burn that makes them auto scoop, you severely misguided. My best friend plays burn in both Modern and Legacy, with multiple Top 8's and just laugh's at people when they get all excited about dropping a T0 Leyline. Burn STILL plays creatures, anywhere from 12-16. So he just burns out your creatures and gets through with his. If you really want to hose burn, Kor Firewalker does an amazing job, Thorn of Amethyst hurts as well.
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I also play burn, and yes they run creatures, and yes they still frequently scoop to a t0 leyline. Chalice of the Void hurts even more, however, and I tend to drop both, if I can. If you play burn and you don't get pissed when you see a t0 leyline, you're absolutely lying to yourself. Your gameplan just got a heck of a lot slower and more complicated than it should be, and you're probably going to lose against midrange.
A few SB cars are a meta call for my region as Burn seems to be rather popular in the Mid-West. Kibler runs 2 Mindcensors MD and 2 in the side, only 3 Path's MD and a 3rd Dismember in the side. His new list was not showing any swords but it was also short 2 cards, those sneaky pro's leaving out their ultra secret tech . So at this time I am not for sure if I am going to run this deck this weekend for our local PTQ or a B/U Vampire (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=484642) deck me and a friend fleshed out during our 30+ hours of driving to and from Atlanta last weekend.
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I also play burn, and yes they run creatures, and yes they still frequently scoop to a t0 leyline. Chalice of the Void hurts even more, however, and I tend to drop both, if I can. If you play burn and you don't get pissed when you see a t0 leyline, you're absolutely lying to yourself. Your gameplan just got a heck of a lot slower and more complicated than it should be, and you're probably going to lose against midrange.
Yes I agree Chalice hurts real bad but he has never scooped to leyline and I am pretty sure he has never lost to it either. The problem is when people play leyline they lean on it WAY to hard. A creature that laughs at leyline is Figure of Destiny which he tends to run.
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I also play burn, and yes they run creatures, and yes they still frequently scoop to a t0 leyline. Chalice of the Void hurts even more, however, and I tend to drop both, if I can. If you play burn and you don't get pissed when you see a t0 leyline, you're absolutely lying to yourself. Your gameplan just got a heck of a lot slower and more complicated than it should be, and you're probably going to lose against midrange.
UMMM.... i also play burn... and the white in my SB says ive never scooped to a leyline. Keening apparition begs to differ. As does erase. Leyline of sanctity itself is no longer safe.
Also: Imagine the horror in people eyes when i path to exile their kor firewalker... then proceed to burn them out (insert evil laugh here)
The UWR matchup also seems brutal. May cut Pridemage entirely for a second main board Thalia (bringing it up to 4 for the full 75) and a Thrun(s)since some of the builds literally can't deal with it outside of combat. Knight of the Reliquary could also be an option as it could get out of burn range and only die to Path.
how is our matchup vs tron? and the 2 stompy decks auras and infect ? I am new to the format legacy player mostly. I decided to jump head first into modern with this deck. I can tell how most of the matchups are but these three im on the fence about and wether or not i should adjust my sideboard for them.
how is our matchup vs tron? and the 2 stompy decks auras and infect ? I am new to the format legacy player mostly. I decided to jump head first into modern with this deck. I can tell how most of the matchups are but these three im on the fence about and wether or not i should adjust my sideboard for them.
Tron all depends on how many hatebears you play and which ones. I play 4x Mindcensor and 4x Leonin Arbiter. I crush Tron.
I handle Auras and Infect with Spellskite and Ghostly Prison. Skite steals all their gamewinning spells. Prison forces them to decide between development and attacking, giving you time.
The UWR matchup also seems brutal. May cut Pridemage entirely for a second main board Thalia (bringing it up to 4 for the full 75) and a Thrun(s)since some of the builds literally can't deal with it outside of combat. Knight of the Reliquary could also be an option as it could get out of burn range and only die to Path.
But we're also stopping them from playing their game at 100%. Neither of those cards really attack any part of the meta game as effectively as we already are.
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Makes sense
Now when you say it's coming out. Just from the main or altogether? Because it's really a solid card in the board if you have the room for it(and you do if you just swap them with Mindcensors). There are plenty of decks where free reaction cards are more than welcome.
I have still been unsuccessful in finding it.
As for the Ambushers: they were a fancy play, especially when I had a liege out. That ended well. I don't like to count on opponents attacking, though, so I did remove them from the maindeck. I may put them in the sideboard, but the real-estate is precious.
I also ended up maindecking 4 Spectral Procession over souls so that I could keep black out of the manabase and militants in the maindeck, and it's working out really well.
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Militant comes down often as a 4/3 topdeck. It's not that bad.
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That's classic BSC thinking. It's still Savannah Lions, which is fairly unplayable.
Edit: OP, that's me! But please take the 'i' out of my last name. Stupid typo on Wizards's site.
3 Gavony Township
1 Godless Shrine
2 Horizon Canopy
1 Marsh Flats
1 Overgrown Tomb
4 Razorverge Thicket
2 Forest
1 Plains
3 Stirring Wildwood
1 Temple Garden
4 Verdant Catacomb
Creatures (29)
2 Aven Mindscensor
1 Baneslayer Angel
3 Birds of Paradise
1 Deathrite Shaman
4 Fauna Shaman
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
4 Loxodon Smiter
4 Noble Hierarch
1 Orzhov Pontiff
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Wilt-Leaf Liege
4 Lingering Souls
Instants 4
4 Path to Exile
1 Aven Mindcensor
1 Baneslayer Angel
2 Chalice of the Void
2 Creeping Corrosion
1 Kataki, War's Wage
2 Dismember
3 Rest in Peace
1 Spellskite
2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
The sideboard is built with the most possible hate for Affinity, Infect, Scapeshift, and UWR. The dismembers and mindscensor also come in vs Pod. Not sure what else I can do about Bogle besides another Spellskite and maybe Tempest of Light. It does make me want to add more Pridemages since they do double duty vs Bogle and Affinity. If anyone has any advice for SB vs Burn that isn't really useless elsewhere that'd be great also.
Leyline of Sanctity?
Focusing on Bogle, for a second. Pridemages are not enough in this matchup, and it's definitely becoming a big part of the meta, at least for me. I can't even consider running any fewer than 3 Back to Nature because of that ridiculous deck. Maybe you guys are seeing less of it than I am, but it's really irritating. Back to Nature is such a bad card, otherwise.
Also, I'd agree with chard on leyline... but it's so hard to commit enough slots to it to make it worthwhile. It's really great in the RDW matchup, and even against Jund and one or two other decks, but you really have to run 3 or 4 to make sure you see it in your opening hand without aggressive mulls
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Current Decks
Standard : WB Orzhov Vampires BW GUB Sultai Constrictor BUG
Brawl : GB Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons BG
Modern : GB Golgari Elves BG GR Atarka Goblins RG
Pauper : W Heroic W GB Delve BG
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4x noble hierarch
4x Deathrite Shaman
2x gaddock teeg
2x qasali pridemage
3x aven mindcensor
2x baneslayer angel
2x linvala, keeper of silence
4x loxodon smiter
4x wilt-leaf liege
SPELLS
4x lingering souls
4x path to exile
2x dismember
2x forest
2x plains
3x gavony township
1x godless shrine
1x horizon canopy
2x marsh flats
1x overgrown tomb
4x razorverge thicket
3x temple garden
4x verdant catacombs
3x kitchen finks
2x Kor Firewalker
3x stony silence
1x sword of war and peace
2x thrun, the last troll
2x torpor orb
2x zealous persecution
A few SB cars are a meta call for my region as Burn seems to be rather popular in the Mid-West. Kibler runs 2 Mindcensors MD and 2 in the side, only 3 Path's MD and a 3rd Dismember in the side. His new list was not showing any swords but it was also short 2 cards, those sneaky pro's leaving out their ultra secret tech . So at this time I am not for sure if I am going to run this deck this weekend for our local PTQ or a B/U Vampire (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=484642) deck me and a friend fleshed out during our 30+ hours of driving to and from Atlanta last weekend.
Current Decks
Standard : WB Orzhov Vampires BW GUB Sultai Constrictor BUG
Brawl : GB Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons BG
Modern : GB Golgari Elves BG GR Atarka Goblins RG
Pauper : W Heroic W GB Delve BG
Yes I agree Chalice hurts real bad but he has never scooped to leyline and I am pretty sure he has never lost to it either. The problem is when people play leyline they lean on it WAY to hard. A creature that laughs at leyline is Figure of Destiny which he tends to run.
Current Decks
Standard : WB Orzhov Vampires BW GUB Sultai Constrictor BUG
Brawl : GB Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons BG
Modern : GB Golgari Elves BG GR Atarka Goblins RG
Pauper : W Heroic W GB Delve BG
UMMM.... i also play burn... and the white in my SB says ive never scooped to a leyline. Keening apparition begs to differ. As does erase. Leyline of sanctity itself is no longer safe.
Also: Imagine the horror in people eyes when i path to exile their kor firewalker... then proceed to burn them out (insert evil laugh here)
Tron all depends on how many hatebears you play and which ones. I play 4x Mindcensor and 4x Leonin Arbiter. I crush Tron.
I handle Auras and Infect with Spellskite and Ghostly Prison. Skite steals all their gamewinning spells. Prison forces them to decide between development and attacking, giving you time.
It's not the best MU, but I've had worse. Dryad Militant shuts off Snapcaster. Thalia and Leonine Arbiter are both must-kills. Loxodon Smiter is outside of burn range. I play 6 anthem effects, so Serra Avenger often beats Restoration Angel (without an anthem by me or resto by them, Avenger is still a must-kill). Honestly, the hardest part is Electrolyze. What I'd give for a Kraken Hatchling with reach! (Yes, I'm seriously considering Wall of Denial)
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