Built this list for a big tournament in Mobile, AL where top prize is a 2005 Mustang GT. I'm concerned about if I'm running too many colorless sources and if I should shove in Voice of Resurgence somehow.
Built this list for a big tournament in Mobile, AL where top prize is a 2005 Mustang GT. I'm concerned about if I'm running too many colorless sources and if I should shove in Voice of Resurgence somehow.
It may very well be one or two colorless source too many. Perhaps more importantly, you've only twelve G-sources not counting Dorks. I've got 15, 14 that enter untapped. Twelve seems thin to me. I'm sure there's a resource somewhere that shows the correct number to have to ensure a reasonable chance of having one turn-one.
I tried FoR for a while and it just never worked for me. Perhaps I was just doing it wrongly. Have you used it yet?
Have you found four each of Vial and CoCo to coexist peacefully? I want to run some number of CoCo, but I'll drop the deck before I drop the Vials.
You can't know how pleased I am to see a little activity here. This is the most fun deck in Modern.
This must have been tested before but has someone tried ramunap excavator and 8 of the destroy lands?
I have an Excavator in the side-board but I've never seen anyone try more than six LD lands. I'm on five now. Ghost Quarter seems to me to be the only one that really fits the strategy well.
It may very well be one or two colorless source too many. Perhaps more importantly, you've only twelve G-sources not counting Dorks. I've got 15, 14 that enter untapped. Twelve seems thin to me. I'm sure there's a resource somewhere that shows the correct number to have to ensure a reasonable chance of having one turn-one.
I tried FoR for a while and it just never worked for me. Perhaps I was just doing it wrongly. Have you used it yet?
Have you found four each of Vial and CoCo to coexist peacefully? I want to run some number of CoCo, but I'll drop the deck before I drop the Vials.
You can't know how pleased I am to see a little activity here. This is the most fun deck in Modern.
FoR isn't bad, I think its better than tec edge because you get to search and they hopefully don't. and I think I may cut a gavony for a forest. coco wants 30 targets in the deck, I will whiff more often than not but this is a good meta for vial IMO.
Built this list for a big tournament in Mobile, AL where top prize is a 2005 Mustang GT. I'm concerned about if I'm running too many colorless sources and if I should shove in Voice of Resurgence somehow.
It may very well be one or two colorless source too many. Perhaps more importantly, you've only twelve G-sources not counting Dorks. I've got 15, 14 that enter untapped. Twelve seems thin to me. I'm sure there's a resource somewhere that shows the correct number to have to ensure a reasonable chance of having one turn-one.
I tried FoR for a while and it just never worked for me. Perhaps I was just doing it wrongly. Have you used it yet?
Have you found four each of Vial and CoCo to coexist peacefully? I want to run some number of CoCo, but I'll drop the deck before I drop the Vials.
You can't know how pleased I am to see a little activity here. This is the most fun deck in Modern.
FoR isn't bad, I think its better than tec edge because you get to search and they hopefully don't. and I think I may cut a gavony for a forest. coco wants 30 targets in the deck, I will whiff more often than not but this is a good meta for vial IMO.
I have two Forests now, twenty-two lands total. Five dorks. Thirty creatures.
I get the logic behind FoR, that was my thinking, it just never worked out. The deck often doesn't seem to have the spare mana to use it.
Built this list for a big tournament in Mobile, AL where top prize is a 2005 Mustang GT. I'm concerned about if I'm running too many colorless sources and if I should shove in Voice of Resurgence somehow.
I think you either run vial or CoCo tbh. Also, CoCo at 5cost because of thalia
Vial and Coco give the deck more consistency. Vial offers counterless creatures and tricks but not digging capability and coco offers digging but is more mana and deck composition stringent, using both gets the best of both worlds.
Built this list for a big tournament in Mobile, AL where top prize is a 2005 Mustang GT. I'm concerned about if I'm running too many colorless sources and if I should shove in Voice of Resurgence somehow.
I think you either run vial or CoCo tbh. Also, CoCo at 5cost because of thalia
Vial and Coco give the deck more consistency. Vial offers counterless creatures and tricks but not digging capability and coco offers digging but is more mana and deck composition stringent, using both gets the best of both worlds.
There are times I wish I could have CoCo, but it cuts into the creature count, and has the noted anti-synergy with Thalia - who is a darling, by the way.
I've thought I might try two or perhaps some number main and some number in the side. But I don't think I want four main-deck. My deck does need something, I just am not sure what it is yet. Someone mentioned Big Thalia but I haven't even looked to see if I have any yet. Militia Bugler just crossed my mind, but I'm pretty sure it's not really good enough without the Human synergy. Blade Splicer is an old favorite and just might be the right card still.
Built this list for a big tournament in Mobile, AL where top prize is a 2005 Mustang GT. I'm concerned about if I'm running too many colorless sources and if I should shove in Voice of Resurgence somehow.
I think you either run vial or CoCo tbh. Also, CoCo at 5cost because of thalia
Vial and Coco give the deck more consistency. Vial offers counterless creatures and tricks but not digging capability and coco offers digging but is more mana and deck composition stringent, using both gets the best of both worlds.
There are times I wish I could have CoCo, but it cuts into the creature count, and has the noted anti-synergy with Thalia - who is a darling, by the way.
I've thought I might try two or perhaps some number main and some number in the side. But I don't think I want four main-deck. My deck does need something, I just am not sure what it is yet. Someone mentioned Big Thalia but I haven't even looked to see if I have any yet. Militia Bugler just crossed my mind, but I'm pretty sure it's not really good enough without the Human synergy. Blade Splicer is an old favorite and just might be the right card still.
For me, Blade Splicer just seems like a big dumb stick, which I think sometimes this deck can use that, but not what I want it to do. Militia Bugler feels as bad as Lead the Stampede. Big Thalia has done work for me before but seems too slow for this meta. You'd need to run 8 dorks and 3/4 of her. I mean if you get it turn 2 on the play against Phoenix, you're gonna be ahead, but the same would be true for little Thalia too.
Blade Splicer is deffinitely better in Eldrataxes and higher blinking synergy. in specific cases it can be very good, I don't think its our case.
4 chalices seems to be the go to competitive list in GW right now, with declaration in stone and all that. I don't own Chalices so I can't really test meself, but it has been doing well on MODO lately.
Big Thalia is a tech I didnt really think about tbh, the art alone should have made me consider the card. I'll test it saturday
Blade Splicer is deffinitely better in Eldrataxes and higher blinking synergy. in specific cases it can be very good, I don't think its our case.
4 chalices seems to be the go to competitive list in GW right now, with declaration in stone and all that. I don't own Chalices so I can't really test meself, but it has been doing well on MODO lately.
Big Thalia is a tech I didnt really think about tbh, the art alone should have made me consider the card. I'll test it saturday
Sadly I have none to test. I shall await your results. It is a beautiful card. By this standard I suppose one should give the new Serra a go as well, huh?
Blade Splicer is deffinitely better in Eldrataxes and higher blinking synergy. in specific cases it can be very good, I don't think its our case.
4 chalices seems to be the go to competitive list in GW right now, with declaration in stone and all that. I don't own Chalices so I can't really test meself, but it has been doing well on MODO lately.
Big Thalia is a tech I didnt really think about tbh, the art alone should have made me consider the card. I'll test it saturday
Sadly I have none to test. I shall await your results. It is a beautiful card. By this standard I suppose one should give the new Serra a go as well, huh?
Blade Splicer is deffinitely better in Eldrataxes and higher blinking synergy. in specific cases it can be very good, I don't think its our case.
4 chalices seems to be the go to competitive list in GW right now, with declaration in stone and all that. I don't own Chalices so I can't really test meself, but it has been doing well on MODO lately.
Big Thalia is a tech I didnt really think about tbh, the art alone should have made me consider the card. I'll test it saturday
Sadly I have none to test. I shall await your results. It is a beautiful card. By this standard I suppose one should give the new Serra a go as well, huh?
Blade Splicer is deffinitely better in Eldrataxes and higher blinking synergy. in specific cases it can be very good, I don't think its our case.
4 chalices seems to be the go to competitive list in GW right now, with declaration in stone and all that. I don't own Chalices so I can't really test meself, but it has been doing well on MODO lately.
Big Thalia is a tech I didnt really think about tbh, the art alone should have made me consider the card. I'll test it saturday
Sadly I have none to test. I shall await your results. It is a beautiful card. By this standard I suppose one should give the new Serra a go as well, huh?
Blade Splicer is deffinitely better in Eldrataxes and higher blinking synergy. in specific cases it can be very good, I don't think its our case.
4 chalices seems to be the go to competitive list in GW right now, with declaration in stone and all that. I don't own Chalices so I can't really test meself, but it has been doing well on MODO lately.
Big Thalia is a tech I didnt really think about tbh, the art alone should have made me consider the card. I'll test it saturday
Sadly I have none to test. I shall await your results. It is a beautiful card. By this standard I suppose one should give the new Serra a go as well, huh?
its gonna be really really good in BW tokens, which is on the rise right now. I think mardu pyromancer can use it too, may be better than Nahiri.
BW tokens generally runs Bitterblossom; it would be face-plant time to lose to one's own Bitterblossom. Face-palming would be insufficient.
BW tokens in general and particularly those that don't run Bitterblossom run a fair amount of non-flying tokens. It's unlikely that Serra will replace Sorin, Solemn Visitor. Some builds run one or, rarely, more of Gideon, Ally of Zendikar, but it's questionable whether Serra will even replace him.
It's possible she will see play there, but she's not a lock.
Mardu runs only Lingering Souls in the flying category - I think - so I'm not certain about that either. Serra certainly can't do that "Say hello to my little friend trick" that makes Nahiri such a charming young lady. And as far as I know, Mardu doesn't usually run anything that would justify using Serra's Worship-effect
She might well substitute for the Worship that some decks run, particularly side-board. Spirits looks like a good place. I'm not sure Serra will revive Troll-Worship, but who knows?
It's entirely possible that I am entirely wrong, I usually seem to be. It is very likely she will find a home.
so I went 1-2 with my list at my local LGS Modern Monday.
M1- 4c Prime Speaker Vannifar. 2-0. G1 had the perfect curve of Coco on T3 and had the vial on 3 for a sweet EOT vial in Flickerwisp targeting his Voice of Resurgence token for the win. He didn't see Vannifar or Restoration Angel but did get out the Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker. G2 He didn't see any relevant combo pieces and I got the Leonin Arbiter lock on T2. I honestly didn't fully realize it was a Vannifer deck until he showed it to me after the match, but I think its a pretty favorable matchup with all the tricks we have. Vial with flickerwisp is pretty good. For G2 I sided out the Thalia's for a Surgical and two settle the wreckage's
M2-Elves. 0-2. G1 he went just went nuts and had out Elvish Archdruid and two Elvish Clancaller's on T2, making T3 lethal. G2 I sided in the two Settles in place of two Thalia's. I got the early pick on his one land hand with Arbiter on top of Pathing his Heritage druid, but he got me with a Coco into a Shaman of the Pack, and I just didn't have the board-state to keep up. This is easily one of the worst matchups as if you chose to put anything in your sideboard to wipe them out, you would be hurting yourself. Even a G2 Worship still dies to Rec Sage.
M3-Tron. 1-2. G1 I got the Arbiter Ghost quarter off early and kept him off tron with a draw step vial in Flickerwisp but still lost to Natural tron with Ugin wiping my board with no cards in hand. G2 I sided in 2 Dampening spheres, Gaddock Teeg, Surgical and the two Ramanup's, taking out 2 Vials, Eidelon of rhetoric and 3 Scavenging Ooze's. Won with Arbiter GQ and just a large creature base, keeping him off tron the whole game. G3 no SB changes. It was a very back and forth game, he got tron but I had Teeg, but he got out Walking Balista and Wurmcoil Engine and I just didn't see any other sb cards. Lost to just too much incremental advantage of Balista killing all my creatures.
Overall, I am realizing that my local meta is not the same as the bigger, overall meta. Facing two decks I wasn't prepared for at all was pretty eye-opening. I'm not sure what I will be doing next.
so I went 1-2 with my list at my local LGS Modern Monday.
M1- 4c Prime Speaker Vannifar. 2-0. G1 had the perfect curve of Coco on T3 and had the vial on 3 for a sweet EOT vial in Flickerwisp targeting his Voice of Resurgence token for the win. He didn't see Vannifar or Restoration Angel but did get out the Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker. G2 He didn't see any relevant combo pieces and I got the Leonin Arbiter lock on T2. I honestly didn't fully realize it was a Vannifer deck until he showed it to me after the match, but I think its a pretty favorable matchup with all the tricks we have. Vial with flickerwisp is pretty good. For G2 I sided out the Thalia's for a Surgical and two settle the wreckage's
M2-Elves. 0-2. G1 he went just went nuts and had out Elvish Archdruid and two Elvish Clancaller's on T2, making T3 lethal. G2 I sided in the two Settles in place of two Thalia's. I got the early pick on his one land hand with Arbiter on top of Pathing his Heritage druid, but he got me with a Coco into a Shaman of the Pack, and I just didn't have the board-state to keep up. This is easily one of the worst matchups as if you chose to put anything in your sideboard to wipe them out, you would be hurting yourself. Even a G2 Worship still dies to Rec Sage.
M3-Tron. 1-2. G1 I got the Arbiter Ghost quarter off early and kept him off tron with a draw step vial in Flickerwisp but still lost to Natural tron with Ugin wiping my board with no cards in hand. G2 I sided in 2 Dampening spheres, Gaddock Teeg, Surgical and the two Ramanup's, taking out 2 Vials, Eidelon of rhetoric and 3 Scavenging Ooze's. Won with Arbiter GQ and just a large creature base, keeping him off tron the whole game. G3 no SB changes. It was a very back and forth game, he got tron but I had Teeg, but he got out Walking Balista and Wurmcoil Engine and I just didn't see any other sb cards. Lost to just too much incremental advantage of Balista killing all my creatures.
Overall, I am realizing that my local meta is not the same as the bigger, overall meta. Facing two decks I wasn't prepared for at all was pretty eye-opening. I'm not sure what I will be doing next.
Worship is pretty bad to side in VS green decks. Have you tried Cataclysmic Gearhulk? They seem to work pretty well.
2x Aven Mindcensor
1x Eidolon of Rhetoric
4x Flickerwisp
2x Kitchen Finks
2x Knight of Autumn
4x Leonin Arbiter
4x Noble Hierarch
2x Qasali Pridemage
3x Scavenging Ooze
3x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2x Field of Ruin
3x Forest
2x Gavony Township
4x Ghost Quarter
3x Horizon Canopy
1x Plains
2x Razorverge Thicket
4x Temple Garden
Artifact (4)
4x Aether Vial
Instant (8)
4x Collected Company
4x Path to Exile
2x Damping Sphere
2x Gaddock Teeg
3x Kataki, War's Wage
2x Ramunap Excavator
3x Rest in Peace
2x Settle the Wreckage
1x Surgical Extraction
Frenzy-Affinity-Ghost Quarter-Rock-Tokens- RGWPhyrexian Zoo- WVial KnightsStandard:
BW Knights(Rotated)Pioneer: RW Knights - BW Rally Zombies - UW Heroes
Commander:WUG
Jenara, Asura of War- WGSigarda, Host of HeronsCasualties of economicsLegacy: Good-night, sweet prince. Mono-R Burn
I tried FoR for a while and it just never worked for me. Perhaps I was just doing it wrongly. Have you used it yet?
Have you found four each of Vial and CoCo to coexist peacefully? I want to run some number of CoCo, but I'll drop the deck before I drop the Vials.
You can't know how pleased I am to see a little activity here. This is the most fun deck in Modern.
Frenzy-Affinity-Ghost Quarter-Rock-Tokens- RGWPhyrexian Zoo- WVial KnightsStandard:
BW Knights(Rotated)Pioneer: RW Knights - BW Rally Zombies - UW Heroes
Commander:WUG
Jenara, Asura of War- WGSigarda, Host of HeronsCasualties of economicsLegacy: Good-night, sweet prince. Mono-R Burn
Frenzy-Affinity-Ghost Quarter-Rock-Tokens- RGWPhyrexian Zoo- WVial KnightsStandard:
BW Knights(Rotated)Pioneer: RW Knights - BW Rally Zombies - UW Heroes
Commander:WUG
Jenara, Asura of War- WGSigarda, Host of HeronsCasualties of economicsLegacy: Good-night, sweet prince. Mono-R Burn
FoR isn't bad, I think its better than tec edge because you get to search and they hopefully don't. and I think I may cut a gavony for a forest. coco wants 30 targets in the deck, I will whiff more often than not but this is a good meta for vial IMO.
I think you either run vial or CoCo tbh. Also, CoCo at 5cost because of thalia
I get the logic behind FoR, that was my thinking, it just never worked out. The deck often doesn't seem to have the spare mana to use it.
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Leonin Arbiter
2 Scavenging Ooze
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Voice of Resurgence
4 Flickerwisp
2 Knight of Autumn
4 Loxodon Smiter
2 Restoration Angel
1 Shalai, Voice of Plenty
1 Gavony Township
4 Ghost Quarter
4 Horizon Canopy
1 Plains
4 Razorverge Thicket
1 Stirring Wildwood
1 Tectonic Edge
4 Temple Garden
4 Aether Vial
4 Path to Exile
4 Kor Firewalker
1 Knight of Autumn
1 Reclamation Sage
2 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Dromoka's Command
3 Rest in Peace
1 Settle the Wreckage
1 Wrath of God
Frenzy-Affinity-Ghost Quarter-Rock-Tokens- RGWPhyrexian Zoo- WVial KnightsStandard:
BW Knights(Rotated)Pioneer: RW Knights - BW Rally Zombies - UW Heroes
Commander:WUG
Jenara, Asura of War- WGSigarda, Host of HeronsCasualties of economicsLegacy: Good-night, sweet prince. Mono-R Burn
Vial and Coco give the deck more consistency. Vial offers counterless creatures and tricks but not digging capability and coco offers digging but is more mana and deck composition stringent, using both gets the best of both worlds.
I've thought I might try two or perhaps some number main and some number in the side. But I don't think I want four main-deck. My deck does need something, I just am not sure what it is yet. Someone mentioned Big Thalia but I haven't even looked to see if I have any yet. Militia Bugler just crossed my mind, but I'm pretty sure it's not really good enough without the Human synergy. Blade Splicer is an old favorite and just might be the right card still.
Frenzy-Affinity-Ghost Quarter-Rock-Tokens- RGWPhyrexian Zoo- WVial KnightsStandard:
BW Knights(Rotated)Pioneer: RW Knights - BW Rally Zombies - UW Heroes
Commander:WUG
Jenara, Asura of War- WGSigarda, Host of HeronsCasualties of economicsLegacy: Good-night, sweet prince. Mono-R Burn
For me, Blade Splicer just seems like a big dumb stick, which I think sometimes this deck can use that, but not what I want it to do. Militia Bugler feels as bad as Lead the Stampede. Big Thalia has done work for me before but seems too slow for this meta. You'd need to run 8 dorks and 3/4 of her. I mean if you get it turn 2 on the play against Phoenix, you're gonna be ahead, but the same would be true for little Thalia too.
4 chalices seems to be the go to competitive list in GW right now, with declaration in stone and all that. I don't own Chalices so I can't really test meself, but it has been doing well on MODO lately.
Big Thalia is a tech I didnt really think about tbh, the art alone should have made me consider the card. I'll test it saturday
Frenzy-Affinity-Ghost Quarter-Rock-Tokens- RGWPhyrexian Zoo- WVial KnightsStandard:
BW Knights(Rotated)Pioneer: RW Knights - BW Rally Zombies - UW Heroes
Commander:WUG
Jenara, Asura of War- WGSigarda, Host of HeronsCasualties of economicsLegacy: Good-night, sweet prince. Mono-R Burn
Serra looks like SB at best, but I think Elspeth, Knight-Errant is better
It's a beautiful card and, BTW, pre-sale is nearly $50. I really don't know what's going to use it, but someone must surely want to.
Frenzy-Affinity-Ghost Quarter-Rock-Tokens- RGWPhyrexian Zoo- WVial KnightsStandard:
BW Knights(Rotated)Pioneer: RW Knights - BW Rally Zombies - UW Heroes
Commander:WUG
Jenara, Asura of War- WGSigarda, Host of HeronsCasualties of economicsLegacy: Good-night, sweet prince. Mono-R Burn
its gonna be really really good in BW tokens, which is on the rise right now. I think mardu pyromancer can use it too, may be better than Nahiri.
The Magali Villeneuve tribal dream is alive
BW tokens generally runs Bitterblossom; it would be face-plant time to lose to one's own Bitterblossom. Face-palming would be insufficient.
BW tokens in general and particularly those that don't run Bitterblossom run a fair amount of non-flying tokens. It's unlikely that Serra will replace Sorin, Solemn Visitor. Some builds run one or, rarely, more of Gideon, Ally of Zendikar, but it's questionable whether Serra will even replace him.
It's possible she will see play there, but she's not a lock.
Mardu runs only Lingering Souls in the flying category - I think - so I'm not certain about that either. Serra certainly can't do that "Say hello to my little friend trick" that makes Nahiri such a charming young lady. And as far as I know, Mardu doesn't usually run anything that would justify using Serra's Worship-effect
She might well substitute for the Worship that some decks run, particularly side-board. Spirits looks like a good place. I'm not sure Serra will revive Troll-Worship, but who knows?
It's entirely possible that I am entirely wrong, I usually seem to be. It is very likely she will find a home.
Frenzy-Affinity-Ghost Quarter-Rock-Tokens- RGWPhyrexian Zoo- WVial KnightsStandard:
BW Knights(Rotated)Pioneer: RW Knights - BW Rally Zombies - UW Heroes
Commander:WUG
Jenara, Asura of War- WGSigarda, Host of HeronsCasualties of economicsLegacy: Good-night, sweet prince. Mono-R Burn
M1- 4c Prime Speaker Vannifar. 2-0. G1 had the perfect curve of Coco on T3 and had the vial on 3 for a sweet EOT vial in Flickerwisp targeting his Voice of Resurgence token for the win. He didn't see Vannifar or Restoration Angel but did get out the Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker. G2 He didn't see any relevant combo pieces and I got the Leonin Arbiter lock on T2. I honestly didn't fully realize it was a Vannifer deck until he showed it to me after the match, but I think its a pretty favorable matchup with all the tricks we have. Vial with flickerwisp is pretty good. For G2 I sided out the Thalia's for a Surgical and two settle the wreckage's
M2-Elves. 0-2. G1 he went just went nuts and had out Elvish Archdruid and two Elvish Clancaller's on T2, making T3 lethal. G2 I sided in the two Settles in place of two Thalia's. I got the early pick on his one land hand with Arbiter on top of Pathing his Heritage druid, but he got me with a Coco into a Shaman of the Pack, and I just didn't have the board-state to keep up. This is easily one of the worst matchups as if you chose to put anything in your sideboard to wipe them out, you would be hurting yourself. Even a G2 Worship still dies to Rec Sage.
M3-Tron. 1-2. G1 I got the Arbiter Ghost quarter off early and kept him off tron with a draw step vial in Flickerwisp but still lost to Natural tron with Ugin wiping my board with no cards in hand. G2 I sided in 2 Dampening spheres, Gaddock Teeg, Surgical and the two Ramanup's, taking out 2 Vials, Eidelon of rhetoric and 3 Scavenging Ooze's. Won with Arbiter GQ and just a large creature base, keeping him off tron the whole game. G3 no SB changes. It was a very back and forth game, he got tron but I had Teeg, but he got out Walking Balista and Wurmcoil Engine and I just didn't see any other sb cards. Lost to just too much incremental advantage of Balista killing all my creatures.
Overall, I am realizing that my local meta is not the same as the bigger, overall meta. Facing two decks I wasn't prepared for at all was pretty eye-opening. I'm not sure what I will be doing next.
Worship is pretty bad to side in VS green decks. Have you tried Cataclysmic Gearhulk? They seem to work pretty well.