Referring to the last list you posted, did he say why he cut fauna shaman?
Kibler doesn't like Fauna shaman, he never ran it (it was the addition of another player). Hatebears is kinda split into shaman vs no-shaman schools.
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Kibler doesn't like Fauna shaman, he never ran it (it was the addition of another player). Hatebears is kinda split into shaman vs no-shaman schools.
That would be me. And I talked to Kibler at Toronto about it briefly, he was worried the Shamans were a little slow. Which they are.
As for Electrolyze, it's certainly worth testing dropping the utility lands (Wildwood and Canopy) for more fetchlands, but I'm not entirely sure how bad Electrolyze is for this deck. There is a stark contrast between the low drops (0/1's and 2/2's) and the high drops (3/4's, 4/4's, and 5/5's). URW has to fight this deck on two different axes, which makes their job very difficult.
That would be me. And I talked to Kibler at Toronto about it briefly, he was worried the Shamans were a little slow. Which they are.
As for Electrolyze, it's certainly worth testing dropping the utility lands (Wildwood and Canopy) for more fetchlands, but I'm not entirely sure how bad Electrolyze is for this deck. There is a stark contrast between the low drops (0/1's and 2/2's) and the high drops (3/4's, 4/4's, and 5/5's). URW has to fight this deck on two different axes, which makes their job very difficult.
They have spot removal up the wazoo. The way to deal them would probably maindeck a few thrun. I have played the matchup a lot, and it's a pretty brutal matchup (if you have shaman). Without shaman, it's about as brutal because you go into top-deck mode.
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If anyone can post a sideboarding guide it would helpful. Also what is the plan vs tron? I'm probably going to side a couple mindcensors but other than that I'm not sure. Seems like its a tough matchup since they go over the top with wurmcoil and karn quickly.
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"No one may threaten or commit violence ('aggress') against another man's person or property. Violence may be employed only against the man who commits such violence; that is, only defensively against the aggressive violence of another. In short, no violence may be employed against a nonaggressor. Here is the fundamental rule from which can be deduced the entire corpus of libertarian theory." - Murray Rothbard, Cited from "War, Peace, and the State"
As for fauna shaman: yes its a bear as it CIP, but if he survives the turn you're bound to win and that's personally a reason to play him. He's my opponents worst fear, as it procedures the right hate for whatever they're holding...
but that is just it they usually always let him make it and just save there removal for what you go get with him because they know it is a one of where as not running him you run more copies of your real threat cards ie teeg ,thalia, mindcensor. With the current jalopy of decks that see play now at least in my meta i cant see myself cutting the number of those to any less than three specially with the rise in popularity of scapeshift, and gifts. Not to mention how mindcensor just bends pod over the table and make them cry uncle
but that is just it they usually always let him make it and just save there removal for what you go get with him because they know it is a one of where as not running him you run more copies of your real threat cards ie teeg ,thalia, mindcensor. With the current jalopy of decks that see play now at least in my meta i cant see myself cutting the number of those to any less than three specially with the rise in popularity of scapeshift, and gifts. Not to mention how mindcensor just bends pod over the table and make them cry uncle
So that's the same exact thing as if you just 'happen' to have your hate creature in hand and you play it. What, do you magically have additional copies of that in your hand?
I think Fauna Shaman as a 3 of is fine. 4 is a bit excessive, you'd much rather draw ANYTHING else than the 2nd fauna shaman.
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Is it worth bringing in stony silence against tron to turn off oblivion stone and the few eggs they run? I suppose against monoblue it also turns off mindslaver.
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still doesn't stop her from being a horrible topdeck.
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So refreshing to me that none of those lists run DRS. But Avacyn's Pilgrim? I guess when you're trying to power out an early BSA or Sigarda... no, I'm still not seeing it.
Oh hey, they're also main decking spellskite, which I started to main deck about 3 weeks ago.
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That's not the point. It's mainly about the inclusion of Leonin Arbiter, Ghost Quarter and shying away from Fetchlands. According to some people in this thread, Fauna Shaman is where it's at. Guess what, Shaman and Arbiter don't play well together.
Sure, a bunch of cards overlap. But these lists also overlap with GW DnT quite a bit. Do you want to take the discussion there?
There's a significant difference in the design of the lists that were posted above and Hatebears as we know it. And there's no reason to be butthurt about it.
But hey, maybe I just made an [insert word for behind] out of myself and you just wanted to put emphasis on the inclusion of Spellskite, saying "told ya" to everyone who shot you down 3 weeks ago when you said it's the best thing next to canned milk.
Anyways, my point is that these lists do not belong here.
Anyways, my point is that these lists do not belong here.
No, they really do belong here. They all fit under the GW Aggro umbrella. Despite the name of this primer, that's what the kibler deck has been all along. Most lists do no run Fauna Shaman. It's a variant.
For those playing with fauna shaman, what creatures with flash can we tutor up to protect other creatures?
Against spot removal I know there is restoration angel and possibly briarhorn.
Against sweepers I don't know any flash creature which makes everything regenerate or indestructable?
That's all that comes to my mind.
However, they must be put onto the battlefield preemptively and thus they are prone to spot removal. However, once you untap with them, you can use Restoration Angel to protect them.
Currently I'm playing 4 finks maindeck since modo is all about aggro...
That means I've got some sb slots available again!
I'm looking for 3 sb cards to bring in all 3 of them vs zoo and urw and at least 2 if those have to be brought in vs RDw/burn as well! Who suggests what ;-)?
(Dont mention Spellskite, he aint gonna beat the crap out of urw)
Spellskite, and thrun. (Spellskite is actually good vs UWR)
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Kibler doesn't like Fauna shaman, he never ran it (it was the addition of another player). Hatebears is kinda split into shaman vs no-shaman schools.
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That would be me. And I talked to Kibler at Toronto about it briefly, he was worried the Shamans were a little slow. Which they are.
As for Electrolyze, it's certainly worth testing dropping the utility lands (Wildwood and Canopy) for more fetchlands, but I'm not entirely sure how bad Electrolyze is for this deck. There is a stark contrast between the low drops (0/1's and 2/2's) and the high drops (3/4's, 4/4's, and 5/5's). URW has to fight this deck on two different axes, which makes their job very difficult.
They have spot removal up the wazoo. The way to deal them would probably maindeck a few thrun. I have played the matchup a lot, and it's a pretty brutal matchup (if you have shaman). Without shaman, it's about as brutal because you go into top-deck mode.
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but that is just it they usually always let him make it and just save there removal for what you go get with him because they know it is a one of where as not running him you run more copies of your real threat cards ie teeg ,thalia, mindcensor. With the current jalopy of decks that see play now at least in my meta i cant see myself cutting the number of those to any less than three specially with the rise in popularity of scapeshift, and gifts. Not to mention how mindcensor just bends pod over the table and make them cry uncle
So that's the same exact thing as if you just 'happen' to have your hate creature in hand and you play it. What, do you magically have additional copies of that in your hand?
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That's the beauty. You can pitch Fauna Shaman to Fauna Shaman.
still doesn't stop her from being a horrible topdeck.
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Sure, a bunch of cards overlap. But these lists also overlap with GW DnT quite a bit. Do you want to take the discussion there?
There's a significant difference in the design of the lists that were posted above and Hatebears as we know it. And there's no reason to be butthurt about it.
But hey, maybe I just made an [insert word for behind] out of myself and you just wanted to put emphasis on the inclusion of Spellskite, saying "told ya" to everyone who shot you down 3 weeks ago when you said it's the best thing next to canned milk.
Anyways, my point is that these lists do not belong here.
No, they really do belong here. They all fit under the GW Aggro umbrella. Despite the name of this primer, that's what the kibler deck has been all along. Most lists do no run Fauna Shaman. It's a variant.
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If you plan on building up a bigger board presence, you have 3 options:
Get Gaddock Teeg.
Get Dauntless Escort.
Get Loxodon Hierarch.
That's all that comes to my mind.
However, they must be put onto the battlefield preemptively and thus they are prone to spot removal. However, once you untap with them, you can use Restoration Angel to protect them.
4 noble hierarch
4 deathrite shaman
4 loxodon smiter
4 aven mindcensor
4 wilt-leaf liege
3 gaddock teeg
3 thalia, guardian of thraben
3 qasali pridemage
2 thrun, the last troll
2 linvala, keeper of silence
4 path to exile
land
3 forest
2 plains
4 horizon canopy
4 verdant catacombs
3 misty rainforest
2 marsh flats
2 temple garden
1 overgrown tomb
1 godless shrine
1 eiganju castle
4 abrupt decay
2 stony silence
2 torpor orb
4 kitchen finks
3 spellskite
Spellskite, and thrun. (Spellskite is actually good vs UWR)
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