I had doubt too in regard of E1.
What i like of him is that it stick to the board. And almost all of the creature will trigger evolve, including the tokens produced by Voice. Still, you mentioned a good alternative and will look at that.
Yup, Helix and path are in my maybe bord. What to take off? I could remove a boros Charm, maybe two are enough. Maybe it is not the deck to Run Domri Rade? It contain a Lot of noncreature spells and lands, making his +1 ability less consistent...
I have things to think!
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''Know thy self, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, a thousand victories.''
This is based off of Kibler's latest version of his Naya deck. Sideboard has some differences (kibler had a combust and a thrun in there and no gaddock teeg and I don't think he had swords). His list is below:
"He plays in a walk in humidor so keep his foils from bending. He once kept an all land hand just to know what it felt like to be mana flooded. He uses power nine for ante. He is the most interesting magic playing in the world." Old man, "I don't always tap basic lands for mana, but when i do, I tap Gurus."
It's going to be tested in both my Zoo decks in the sideboard. It has potential to swing the iffy UWR midrange and UW Control matchups.
EDIT:
I've just started testing it, and it's amazing. I had 3 in my aggro Zoo sb. I'm going to 4.
Why not main board? I think Voice of Resurgence is going to be the next break threw card for Zoo. It has no cons, and so many pros its not funny. It breaks down control. It is a 2 for 1 // 3 for 1, or better.
VoR is a 2/2 for 2. Its undervalue in the one place zoo cares about, damage. It has value but I don't think zoo can use it because of this. You have to remember when your playing zoo you always have this little clock in you head, turn 1 damage go, turn 2 damage go, turn 3 damage go, turn 4 damage go, ALERT need to have won by now...lol. Zoo's resilience falls like a stone after turn 4 if it exists at all. In all most every case VoR will use up your turn 2 mana and not deal damage until turn 3.
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Burn
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Dredge
Affinity EDH W Akroma GBW Ghave BRU Thrax GR Ruric I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
Why not main board? I think Voice of Resurgence is going to be the next break threw card for Zoo. It has no cons, and so many pros its not funny. It breaks down control. It is a 2 for 1 // 3 for 1, or better.
Aggro beating control is the usual scenario, isn't it? That rock, paper, scissors analogy?
This being said, I really like this card for a maverick like build. Zoo wants to race and this card doesn't race by itself. But, if you are building your position in Zoo and use Domri Rade fight ability to trade VoR with a potential blocker, she (you know the voice of resurgence
must be female right?) becomes pretty awsome in this scenario.
Aggro beating control is the usual scenario, isn't it? That rock, paper, scissors analogy?
This being said, I really like this card for a maverick like build. Zoo wants to race and this card doesn't race by itself. But, if you are building your position in Zoo and use Domri Rade fight ability to trade VoR with a potential blocker, she (you know the voice of resurgence
must be female right?) becomes pretty awsome in this scenario.
Would be an awful odd female with antlers...lol;)
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Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity EDH W Akroma GBW Ghave BRU Thrax GR Ruric I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
Has anyone done any experimentation with a Human Zoo list? Where you use cards like Experiment one and Champion of the Parish in concert with BTE, gore-house chainwalker, wild cantor etc. Probably run a bolt, helix, path removal suite and maybe a walker for back up (likely candidates would be Elspeth, Ajani V, Domri or Sarkhan).
Modern GB Rock U Flooding Merfolk RUG Delver Midrange WU Monks UW Tempo Geist GW Bogle GW Liege UR Tron B Vampires
Affinity Legacy
Fish
Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity EDH W Akroma GBW Ghave BRU Thrax GR Ruric I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
Has anyone done any experimentation with a Human Zoo list? Where you use cards like Experiment one and Champion of the Parish in concert with BTE, gore-house chainwalker, wild cantor etc. Probably run a bolt, helix, path removal suite and maybe a walker for back up (likely candidates would be Elspeth, Ajani V, Domri or Sarkhan).
I played with the idea of humans and it was OK.
PS. There are much better options for humans outside of standard Naya Humans. I posted a few a couple pages back.
Been playtesting the oringanal aquarium list with proxies for what I'm missing before I commit. I already own dark confidants and I don't really like might if alara Boris charm or path to exile in the MD is confidant playable here? I know blacks not the main color of choice and the ddck wins fast so he seems like a bad top deck but he had been pretty decent in testing I have 2 in place of the might if alara and I cut a single linger for a 3rd snap. Can someone direct me to talk about bob in this deck if there is any? Also what are all
Those ddcks with molten rain in SB doing us that for scape shift or what?
I've noticed that the last few 4-0/3-1 lists posted here have all been the mid-range flavor of Naya Zoo. Is Small Naya falling out of favor? If so, what's killing it?
Are we better off going for the Gruul flavor if we want fast aggro?
Also, big props to Lantern for continuously posting placing decklists for review! Very good information.
ANd I think its because gruul can push in more damage (or at least gruul flavor) but it leans on maximizing damage, firespout hits it hard, and it has little to now disruption.
So it's mostly a case of min/maxing at the cost of flexibility.
I still intending on playing small naya, because I love what white brings to it (lion/smiter/helix/path/boros charm), but I am also acutely aware of how much a third color can screw up consistency.
I was just concerned that there was a major roadblock in opposing decks that was stuffing small naya, leading to the adoption of big naya.
Yep. Though... theres rumors there on the webs that ON fetchs may be reprinted in theros or M14. If so, then you'll suddenly see Gruul turn Naya with out ANY reason not to.
What i like of him is that it stick to the board. And almost all of the creature will trigger evolve, including the tokens produced by Voice. Still, you mentioned a good alternative and will look at that.
Yup, Helix and path are in my maybe bord. What to take off? I could remove a boros Charm, maybe two are enough. Maybe it is not the deck to Run Domri Rade? It contain a Lot of noncreature spells and lands, making his +1 ability less consistent...
I have things to think!
60 cards
4 Arid Mesa
1 Blood Crypt
2 Forest
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Kessig Wolf Run
1 Marsh Flats
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Plains
1 Sacred Foundry
2 Stomping Ground
1 Temple Garden
1 Treetop Village
4 Verdant Catacombs
23 lands
2 Kitchen Finks
4 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Lotus Cobra
4 Loxodon Smiter
4 Noble Hierarch
1 Qasali Pridemage
4 Tarmogoyf
2 Thundermaw Hellkite
25 creatures
1 Ajani Vengeant
3 Domri Rade
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Path to Exile
12 other spells
2 Aven Mindcensor
1 Batterskull
3 Blood Moon
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Qasali Pridemage
2 Stony Silence
2 Sword of War and Peace
1 Tectonic Edge
2 Torpor Orb
This is based off of Kibler's latest version of his Naya deck. Sideboard has some differences (kibler had a combust and a thrun in there and no gaddock teeg and I don't think he had swords). His list is below:
3 Deathrite Shaman
2 Kitchen Finks
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Lotus Cobra
4 Loxodon Smiter
3 Noble Hierarch
1 Qasali Pridemage
4 Tarmogoyf
2 Thundermaw Hellkite
Planeswalkers (5)
1 Ajani Vengeant
3 Domri Rade
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
Spells (7)
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Path to Exile
3 Forest
1 Plains
4 Arid Mesa
1 Blood Crypt
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Kessig Wolf Run
1 Marsh Flats
2 Misty Rainforest
1 Sacred Foundry
2 Stomping Ground
1 Temple Garden
1 Treetop Village
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Batterskull
1 Torpor Orb
3 Aven Mindcensor
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Thundermaw Hellkite
3 Blood Moon
2 Stony Silence
1 Combust
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Tectonic Edge
Differences (from Kibler's to the 4-0):
MD +1 Noble Hierarch -1 Lotus Cobra
SB: +2 Sword of War and Peace +1 Torpor Orb +1 Gaddock Teeg -1 Aven Mindcensor -1 Combust -1 Thrun -1 Thundermaw Hellkite
Why not main board? I think Voice of Resurgence is going to be the next break threw card for Zoo. It has no cons, and so many pros its not funny. It breaks down control. It is a 2 for 1 // 3 for 1, or better.
GB Rock
U Flooding Merfolk
RUG Delver Midrange
WU Monks
UW Tempo Geist
GW Bogle
GW Liege
UR Tron
B Vampires
Affinity
Legacy
Fish
Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity
EDH
W Akroma
GBW Ghave
BRU Thrax
GR Ruric
I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
Aggro beating control is the usual scenario, isn't it? That rock, paper, scissors analogy?
This being said, I really like this card for a maverick like build. Zoo wants to race and this card doesn't race by itself. But, if you are building your position in Zoo and use Domri Rade fight ability to trade VoR with a potential blocker, she (you know the voice of resurgence
must be female right?) becomes pretty awsome in this scenario.
Would be an awful odd female with antlers...lol;)
GB Rock
U Flooding Merfolk
RUG Delver Midrange
WU Monks
UW Tempo Geist
GW Bogle
GW Liege
UR Tron
B Vampires
Affinity
Legacy
Fish
Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity
EDH
W Akroma
GBW Ghave
BRU Thrax
GR Ruric
I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
I am halucinting there is a humanoid figure below with an antler bearing headdress.
GB Rock
U Flooding Merfolk
RUG Delver Midrange
WU Monks
UW Tempo Geist
GW Bogle
GW Liege
UR Tron
B Vampires
Affinity
Legacy
Fish
Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity
EDH
W Akroma
GBW Ghave
BRU Thrax
GR Ruric
I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
I played with the idea of humans and it was OK.
PS. There are much better options for humans outside of standard Naya Humans. I posted a few a couple pages back.
Those ddcks with molten rain in SB doing us that for scape shift or what?
Edit : oops wrong thread
Damia http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=410191
DDFT Legacyhttp://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=505247
Domain Zoo http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=10212429#post10212429
60 cards
4 Arid Mesa
1 Blood Crypt
2 Forest
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Marsh Flats
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Plains
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Stirring Wildwood
2 Stomping Ground
1 Temple Garden
1 Treetop Village
4 Verdant Catacombs
23 lands
3 Deathrite Shaman
2 Kitchen Finks
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Loxodon Smiter
3 Noble Hierarch
1 Qasali Pridemage
4 Tarmogoyf
1 Thundermaw Hellkite
24 creatures
1 Ajani Vengeant
3 Domri Rade
2 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Path to Exile
13 other spells
3 Aven Mindcensor
1 Batterskull
1 Blood Moon
1 Combust
2 Magus of the Moon
1 Qasali Pridemage
3 Stony Silence
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Ulvenwald Tracker
4 Vines of vastwood
3 Boros Charm
2 Domri Rade
4 Noble Hierarch
3 Dryad militant
4 Voice of resurgence
4 Knight of the reliquary
4 Kitchen Finks
2 Loxodon smither
3 Wilt-leaf liege
3 Restoration Angel
2 Forest
1 Mountain
2 Stomping ground
2 Temple garden
3 Arid Mesa
3 Misty Rainforest
4 Flagstones of Trokair
2 Dryad arbor
Boros Charm, Vines, Resto, voice and finks give me the evasion I need.
Boros charm and vines give me some punch.
Dryad arbor is a land and a creature, really good thing for Domri Rade +1 ability.
Just lacking some good and cheap flying. Wondering if Birds of paradise woudn't be better than Noble...
Are we better off going for the Gruul flavor if we want fast aggro?
Also, big props to Lantern for continuously posting placing decklists for review! Very good information.
ANd I think its because gruul can push in more damage (or at least gruul flavor) but it leans on maximizing damage, firespout hits it hard, and it has little to now disruption.
I still intending on playing small naya, because I love what white brings to it (lion/smiter/helix/path/boros charm), but I am also acutely aware of how much a third color can screw up consistency.
I was just concerned that there was a major roadblock in opposing decks that was stuffing small naya, leading to the adoption of big naya.