Quote from Farodin666 »@Simon DS nurturing peatland is great. I fear taking too much damage when drawing too much. Having some burn, mono red phoenix, 8whack and some other aggro decks in meta. I really understand to maximize on them.
what's your take on sideboarding against phoenix?
Planning to playtest a lot this weekend against my ur phoenix friend who´s won the bye for gp frankfurt in germany.
Quote from FoodChainGoblins »I also assumed that you had "Burn type decks" in your meta, so I didn't question the 3 Nurturing Peatland. In that case, I personally do believe that 3 is correct. You don't ever really want 2 of those out as your only lands ever. I have felt that pain before, mostly with Devoted Druid Company.
Me personally, I'd side my 2 Dismember and my 2 Surgical Extraction. I personally don't think that Damping Sphere does enough and it further waters down Company, which I hate, hate, hate to take out ever.
My current SB is
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2 Shaper's Sanctuary2 Heroic Intervention1 Fracturing Gust2 Dismember2 Surgical Extraction1 Scavenging Ooze1 Essence Warden2 Reclamation Sage2 Damping Sphere
I know for sure this is not the best current SB. I personally would make sure every deck I play runs 2-3 Ravenous Trap, as the Hogaak Vine deck is insane. I'm not sure what else I'd do to reconfigure the SB, as I don't play Elves regularly. I usually play the other 2 decks or Humans.
I guess I should clarify that the first 4 cards should not be necessary in a GP meta. My meta has tons of people trying to interact, although occasionally those people "disappear" and it becomes not so much like this.
Quote from drew02k »How bad is mono-red phoenix for this deck and strategies or cards do we play to help with it?
Quote from coastiemike »Here’s my list. https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/12-06-17-fWM-gb-elves/#c3509441
Is Nurturing Peatland needed in this list? I’ve been trying to figure what I would pull out to add it and nothing really jumps out.
Quote from caller of the claw »Does people play Nurturing Peatland in GB Elf deck?
Quote from Melves72 »I am looking at 2 cards. One for the side and one for the side/main
This last is Icon of Ancestry
is an artifact at cost 3 that is not removed by mass removal, allow to filter the best creature etc.
I would test it in the spots of lead the stampede
Only for the side I would test Thought Distortion
It is a non counterable sorcery that, if we are able to solve in the 3/4 round totally destroy decks like
UWx control, storms, tron etc.
Moreover, there is leyline of the void. It is not new. But I am very happy to see its re-print
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Quote from MTG_Bob »I'm running pretty much the same list Simon DS posted last, but I'm not making headway. I'm not running the Peatlands, since I already own a playset of the Woodland Cemetery, but other than that deck is the same.
The current meta in my area is heavy Infect, followed by UW Control and Burn/Mono Red Phoenix. I can't seem to even get started before I'm either dead or they control the board state. Any suggestions?
Quote from thesedaiv »Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis i saw. As this deck uses LOTS of green. And possibly black, and it poops oit creatures, would this be an affective beatstick?
Quote from Simon DS »[quote from="MTG_Bob »" url="/forums/the-game/modern/established-modern/aggro-tempo/767834-collected-company-elves?comment=2540"]None of those are particularly good matchups, although UW Control is easier I think since they no longer run terminus. You could consider removing some number of Dismember from your sideboard in favor of Fatal Push, as they're functionally equivalent in the matchups you named and the life loss from Dismember is significant against Burn. Melira, Sylvok Outcast is also a very real hate card against Infect, and worth considering in your SB if it's a major portion of your local meta.
To be frank I don't think the Mono Red Phoenix/Prowess Burn matchups are fixable. Any deck running Gut Shot and/or Lava Dart should be heavily favored vs. Elves. I mostly hope to get lucky in those matches.
With limited information, the best advice I feel I can offer is to know your role in these matchups. Don't be afraid to block early and trade off creatures against Infect, as we have more sources of card advantage than them. Force U/W to have the sweeper on curve - play aggressively and try to apply as much pressure as possible in the early turns. Going into a match with a gameplan helps me play the early turns successfully and also helps me understand what I needed to do differently when I lose.
Quote from MTG_Bob »I've been trying to outrace them as much as possible. I think with the Bridge from Below banning, my area will go to even more Infect/Burn/UW Control then before since there won't be as much of a need for graveyard hate. Perhaps it is time to shelf Elves again until they come up with something that makes them truly impressive once again? Which sucks, I enjoy playing the deck and they aren't played locally by anyone else.
Quote from Simon DS »I would actually expect Infect and possibly Burn to decrease in popularity, as the format should slow down and become more interaction-oriented now that BFB has been banned. I am looking forward to seeing more Humans, Dredge, Amulet Titan, and Tron again. Humans especially is probably my favorite Tier 1 matchup in modern.
It is true though that Elves doesn't feel amazing right now. Modern Horizons gave us Nurturing Peatland and Collector Ouphe, which were both nice upgrades but neither was a huge shot in the arm. Lava Dart, Wrenn and Six, and Plague Engineer are all seeing a lot of play right now and can be pretty unbeatable. I would not recommend Elves to anyone going into a large tournament with high level competition. As a "casually competitive" FNM-level deck though I think it's still totally fine.
Quote from MTG_Bob »A recent $1k in my area was won by Mono Red Phoenix. There were 2 of the Pyromancer decks in the T8, a BG Rock, Devoted Devastation, Thopter Sword, and 2 UR Phoenix. I haven't seen the results of one from yesterday and we have a $5k coming up in a few weeks that I'd be interested in playing in if I believe I can get a shot at a T16.
I've been seeing an increase in Tron at the weekly tournament. Is Tajuru Preserver a worthwhile SB card for us in that matchup, and if so, what do we pull?
*Edit* Eldrazi Tron won this weekend's $1k. I'm thinking that Tajuru Preserver will be a great help against All is Dust, since that is the only board sweeper they run.
Quote from Simon DS »That meta sounds very hostile to Elves. Honestly I don't think this is a good time for the deck. Ironic that Modern Horizons was supposed to be a boon for Elves, but instead might be one of the worst sets for us in recent memory with the introduction of Lava Dart, Plague Engineer, and Wrenn and Six to the format.
Tajuru Preserver is going pretty deep. That is far too narrow of a card for my tastes. I prefer Damping Sphere, which forces them to make 7 land drops before they can cast All is Dust and also has utility against other Tron and Phoenix decks.