In Boros colors, I'd say a couple of Mirran Crusaders can easily steal games, stabilize well VS Dredge and Bogles. Since BGx can be challenging post-SB, Crusader makes a nice Deus ex-Machina.
I'd play 4 Paths in the 75, and back to the main, maybe Tithe Taker is worth investigating. It's designed for aggro decks after all !
Back to the 5C vs 4C conversation, I feel that without KCI in the mix and the rise of phoenix decks we want to go back to running freebooter and don't need the sideboard threats from white as much. What does everyone else think? Thalia is also likely to remain an all star.
I wouldn't change much in my own list. I am a big fan of 3 Sin Collectors in the SB personally, and I already play Buglers in the main.
I also like 2 Whirler Rogues, they chump UR Phoenix & Spirits, which are top tier decks, Rogues are CA VS control and midrange, they may be better than ever if fair and aggro decks overcome combo decks.
On the other hand, I hate to play 2 copies of redundant cards (like Damping Sphere, Stony Silence, etc...). Humans win with small advantages and attack on different angles. I was never a fan of noncreature spells in the 75, and it won't change.
Honestly, the death of KCI only changes how Humans will perform, but I don't think it forces us to change anything in the 75, unless you used to play dedicated cards for KCI that didn't play a role in other MUs, which I doubt. In general we have multi-purpose cards in the SB.
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So, I have a mono-white humans deck from when it was in standard back during Scars of Mirrodin/Innistrad block. I'm looking to keep it mono-white, mostly due to budget concerns; is there a huge drop off in power because of that, or is it possible to stay mostly competitive without splashing for other colors/coco?
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Record: 22-3-0
So, I have a mono-white humans deck from when it was in standard back during Scars of Mirrodin/Innistrad block. I'm looking to keep it mono-white, mostly due to budget concerns; is there a huge drop off in power because of that, or is it possible to stay mostly competitive without splashing for other colors/coco?
Obviously there is a major drop off in power playing a mono white version, mostly because of a slower clock and less versability, but it's a good budget option.
This is roughly what I'm running. I guess I misspoke when I said budget, because upon further review it looks like the most value comes from the Aether Vials and Caverns more than anything multicolored. The newer Thalia (3 cmc) is interesting, but for now I'll content myself to read up on the thread to avoid asking duplicate questions (such as why Silverblade isn't brought up). Appreciate the quick responses nonetheless; Humans was my first truly successful deck I've piloted; over pod, delver, and RDW alike. I'll be around.
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Record: 22-3-0
This is roughly what I'm running. I guess I misspoke when I said budget, because upon further review it looks like the most value comes from the Aether Vials and Caverns more than anything multicolored. The newer Thalia (3 cmc) is interesting, but for now I'll content myself to read up on the thread to avoid asking duplicate questions (such as why Silverblade isn't brought up). Appreciate the quick responses nonetheless; Humans was my first truly successful deck I've piloted; over pod, delver, and RDW alike. I'll be around.
Horizon Canopy is quite expensive as well. Meddling Mage is probably the most expensive other piece in the currently popular multi-colored decks. Still, even at just a few dollars each, things can add up pretty fast.
can you tell me how you feel about Auriok Champion? I see her popping up in every SB between 3-4 copies.
Maybe I'm missing something here... in what Matchups do you want to see her?
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Legacy: Maverick
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Hello guys, I'm new here, just discovered this page and I find it very insteresting.
Answering to BartHenryksson, just won a local tournament yesterday. Only played two Auriok on my SB, but I really recommended 3 copies (I consider 4 too much). Its really really good against Grixis Shadow and freewin against Burn, also good against Dredge and Jund. No doubt Auriok is one of the best cards right now after the ban of KCI on the SB, and also Knight of Atumumn (in love with this card).
Hello guys, I'm new here, just discovered this page and I find it very insteresting.
Answering to BartHenryksson, just won a local tournament yesterday. Only played two Auriok on my SB, but I really recommended 3 copies (I consider 4 too much). Its really really good against Grixis Shadow and freewin against Burn, also good against Dredge and Jund. No doubt Auriok is one of the best cards right now after the ban of KCI on the SB, and also Knight of Atumumn (in love with this card).
Thank you both for your replies and congrats to your win Dirty Rat!
Do you mind sharing your list?
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Legacy: Maverick
Pauper: UB Delver
Sure. This is my list. I knew that some people on the store would play cementery decks (Phoenix and Dredge), so I decided to test 2x Rest in peace (good results btw)
Sure. This is my list. I knew that some people on the store would play cementery decks (Phoenix and Dredge), so I decided to test 2x Rest in peace (good results btw)
Solid list! The addition of RiP is spicey. I tried it but I used a fetch/shock manabase. Did you had issues casting it?
Are you happy with 3x Phantasmal Image and 3x Reflector Mage?
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Legacy: Maverick
Pauper: UB Delver
Yes¡ I've been testing this list two weeks and I'm totally sure that 3 Images is good. Indeed, I've playing the deck with 2 Phantasmal Image and 1 Militia Bugler, and still strong. Maybe the problem is 3 Reflector Mage. Too important in the deck, but I wanted to test 1 Tajic, Legion's Edge against Dredge and Burn (instead of 4 Reflector Mage).
I've got 3 questions:
1. What about Thalia, Heretic Cathar Maybe could be fine in our SB against Phoenix. I'm gonna test it, but still think in good events I would play Rest in peace.
2. What do you think about Whirler Rogue? Never played this card. Is it good? When?
I'm by far no expert so it's just my humble opinon:
1. What about Thalia, Heretic Cathar Maybe could be fine in our SB against Phoenix. I'm gonna test it, but still think in good events I would play Rest in peace.
Turn 2 Thalia 2.0 is nuts! I played her in bant midrange decks when EldraziTron was tier1 and she was too good!
I often thought about her in the "two flexslots" we've got but sometimes she does nothing game one. The other question is what to cut from the sideboard? I think you want at least two copies... one copy is not enough. Maybe in favor of the RiP because she's easier to cast. Definitely a strong card to try out.
2. What do you think about Whirler Rogue? Never played this card. Is it good? When?
One of my favorite SB cards! At first I didn't like her but she is good in a lot of matchups. I board her in in the mirror and vs spirits to deal with opposing Phantasmal Image or to break boardstalls. Also she comes handy in grindy matchups leaving three bodies.
3. Sideboard Guide against God Tier/Tier 1 Decks?
It's a bit old but still a good overview to a lot of matchups - Ondrej Strasky made this up.
Sideboarded Deputy of Detention was amazing, @Viral_Drake suggested it last minute and I wish I played 2. Definitely would look to find room for another. Also definitely certain Damping Sphere should be a 3 of minimum. Best Tron hate for Humans IMO not close
I will test Thalia 2.0, Kambal and Whirler Rogue this weekend.
I think Deputy of Detention is worst than Izzet Staticaster right now... so I will continue playing our girl. Tell us your experience this weekend with Deputy.
Grixis Death's Shadow, Burn, and Dredge are decks 2 thru 4 in the current meta (14-15% of total share). Since an early Auriok basically wins all those matchups, I keep a full four copies in my sideboard.
I get the downside of the card but it just seems like an easy call to me.
I took Dylan's list but realised I only own 1x Tajic, Legion's Edge... so I throw in Thalia 2.0 for (FNM 30 ppl).
Finished 3-1
W Burn 2-0
W Restore Balance 2-1
W BG Rock 2-0
L Storm 1-2
The deck felt good so I ran it back on saturday (only 12 ppl):
Finished 2-2
W Dredge 2-1
L 0-2 Zoo
L Burn 1-2
W Oldschool Affinity 2-0
Thalia, Heretic Cathar: The taxing was nice even when she entered t3/t4. I think I will drop her in favor on the second Tajic... Tajic, Legion's Edge: Was really strong! Mantis Rider 5-6 and the protection is strong vs Dredge and Lightning Bolt decks. I'll go up to two copies. Really liked him. Damping Sphere: My meta is flooded with Amulet Titan so it's more of a meta call. It's also good vs storm and UR Phoenix so for me the 3rd copie is set in stone. Auriok Champion: Only had 2 copies on friday because the other two where in the mail... Due to the ok finish on friday I didn't change my list. Maybe I'll go up to three because of your feedback. Deputy of Detention: She is like another Reflector Mage and I think is good to lock out Dredge and other go wide decks. I think I will cut one copie from the sideboard in favor of the third copy of Auriok Champion.
All in all deck felt super solid and I had a blast to play it. Will do further testing against some tier 1 decks.
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Legacy: Maverick
Pauper: UB Delver
I played some games against the new boogeyman UR Phoenix yesterday.
Match up is pretty tough but not as unwinnable as I thought. We've found that being on the play is huge for us as well for the Phoenix pilot. MVPs are definitely Reflector Mage and Meddling Mage. Preventing Bolt is huge and bouncing TiTi changes the boardstate significant.
Postboard Phoenix tend to be a little bit more controly. In those cases I really liked Mantis Rider and Tajic, Legion's Edge. Tajic even transfroms Anger of the God into a 3cmc spot removal.
One annoying thing... Blood Moon. Never played against it with 5c Humans. Do you think it's necessary to bring Knight of Autumn? I mean... without dork/vial we can't play her anyway. And those two won't stay on the battlefied for long.
I have been absolutely also loving Kambal - there was one match against Orzhov Tokens (happy to link the video if interested) that Kambal did all of the heavy lifting. I have been playing 2 in the SB.
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In Boros colors, I'd say a couple of Mirran Crusaders can easily steal games, stabilize well VS Dredge and Bogles. Since BGx can be challenging post-SB, Crusader makes a nice Deus ex-Machina.
I'd play 4 Paths in the 75, and back to the main, maybe Tithe Taker is worth investigating. It's designed for aggro decks after all !
I wouldn't change much in my own list. I am a big fan of 3 Sin Collectors in the SB personally, and I already play Buglers in the main.
I also like 2 Whirler Rogues, they chump UR Phoenix & Spirits, which are top tier decks, Rogues are CA VS control and midrange, they may be better than ever if fair and aggro decks overcome combo decks.
On the other hand, I hate to play 2 copies of redundant cards (like Damping Sphere, Stony Silence, etc...). Humans win with small advantages and attack on different angles. I was never a fan of noncreature spells in the 75, and it won't change.
Honestly, the death of KCI only changes how Humans will perform, but I don't think it forces us to change anything in the 75, unless you used to play dedicated cards for KCI that didn't play a role in other MUs, which I doubt. In general we have multi-purpose cards in the SB.
:symw::symw:W/u Humans (No Geist!):symw::symu:
Record: 22-3-0
It would involve somewhat costly Aether Vial but after that, you get Path to Exile for removal, Thraben Inspector and Militia Bugler for some card draw, Tithe Taker and both Thalia's for tax effects and Mirran Crusader alongside Champion of the Parish and Thalia's Lieutenant as your primary beatsticks. Dare i say, this deck could even run some copies of Rest in Peace maindeck.
Splashing blue gains Reflector Mage, Meddling Mage and Lavinia, Azorius Renegade.
Splashing Green gains Noble Hierarch or Avacyn's Pilgrim, Mayor of Avabruck and some sideboard flexibility
Splashing Black gains Kitesail Freebooter and some extra disruptive sideboard pieces
Splashing Red only makes you more aggressive.
Modern: WUBRG Humans - GBW Traverse - GWU Knightfall - GRW Bushwhacker Zoo -
Even mono-colored Tribal decks could use a Cavern of Souls or two. Mutavault is another thought.
Frenzy-Affinity-Ghost Quarter-Rock-Tokens- RGWPhyrexian Zoo- WVial KnightsStandard:
BW Knights(Rotated)Pioneer: RW Knights - BW Rally Zombies - UW Heroes
Commander:WUG
Jenara, Asura of War- WGSigarda, Host of HeronsCasualties of economicsLegacy: Good-night, sweet prince. Mono-R Burn
Others card you should consider are:
- Gather the Townsfolk
- Hanweir Militia Captain
- Kytheon, Hero of Akros
- Frontline Medic
- Declaration in Stone (side option)
Obviously there is a major drop off in power playing a mono white version, mostly because of a slower clock and less versability, but it's a good budget option.
4x Champion of the Parish
4x Doomed Traveler
4x Thalia's Lieutenant
4x Grand Abolisher
3x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4x Mirran Crusader
4x Silverblade Paladin
2x Hero of Bladehold
4x Gather the Townsfolk
4x Honor of the Pure
Land:
23x Plains
This is roughly what I'm running. I guess I misspoke when I said budget, because upon further review it looks like the most value comes from the Aether Vials and Caverns more than anything multicolored. The newer Thalia (3 cmc) is interesting, but for now I'll content myself to read up on the thread to avoid asking duplicate questions (such as why Silverblade isn't brought up). Appreciate the quick responses nonetheless; Humans was my first truly successful deck I've piloted; over pod, delver, and RDW alike. I'll be around.
:symw::symw:W/u Humans (No Geist!):symw::symu:
Record: 22-3-0
Horizon Canopy is quite expensive as well. Meddling Mage is probably the most expensive other piece in the currently popular multi-colored decks. Still, even at just a few dollars each, things can add up pretty fast.
Student of Warfare is a pretty neat card; he's a one-drop that isn't a bad top-deck. Mutavault's are an option. Brave the Elements is pretty solid in a mono-white deck.
Metallic Mimic is worth a thought in a Tribal deck.
Frenzy-Affinity-Ghost Quarter-Rock-Tokens- RGWPhyrexian Zoo- WVial KnightsStandard:
BW Knights(Rotated)Pioneer: RW Knights - BW Rally Zombies - UW Heroes
Commander:WUG
Jenara, Asura of War- WGSigarda, Host of HeronsCasualties of economicsLegacy: Good-night, sweet prince. Mono-R Burn
can you tell me how you feel about Auriok Champion? I see her popping up in every SB between 3-4 copies.
Maybe I'm missing something here... in what Matchups do you want to see her?
Legacy: Maverick
Pauper: UB Delver
Modern: WUBRG Humans - GBW Traverse - GWU Knightfall - GRW Bushwhacker Zoo -
Answering to BartHenryksson, just won a local tournament yesterday. Only played two Auriok on my SB, but I really recommended 3 copies (I consider 4 too much). Its really really good against Grixis Shadow and freewin against Burn, also good against Dredge and Jund. No doubt Auriok is one of the best cards right now after the ban of KCI on the SB, and also Knight of Atumumn (in love with this card).
Thank you both for your replies and congrats to your win Dirty Rat!
Do you mind sharing your list?
Legacy: Maverick
Pauper: UB Delver
4x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4x Thalia's Lieutenant
4x Meddling Mage
4x Champion of the Parish
3x Reflector Mage
4x Mantis Rider
4x Kitesail Freeboter
3x Phantasmal Image
2x Mayor of Avabruck
1x Tajic, Legion's Edge
4x Aether Vial
4x Horizon Canopy
4x Cavern of Souls
4x Ancient Ziggurat
4x Unclaimed Territory
1x Seachrome Coast
1x Island
1x Plains
2x Izzet Staticaster
2x Damping Sphere
2x Dismember
2x Knight of Autumn
2x Auriok Champion
2x Rest in Peace
1x Gaddock Teeg
1x Sin Collector
1x Anafenza, the Foremost
Tell me your impressions if you want¡
Solid list! The addition of RiP is spicey. I tried it but I used a fetch/shock manabase. Did you had issues casting it?
Are you happy with 3x Phantasmal Image and 3x Reflector Mage?
Legacy: Maverick
Pauper: UB Delver
Yes¡ I've been testing this list two weeks and I'm totally sure that 3 Images is good. Indeed, I've playing the deck with 2 Phantasmal Image and 1 Militia Bugler, and still strong. Maybe the problem is 3 Reflector Mage. Too important in the deck, but I wanted to test 1 Tajic, Legion's Edge against Dredge and Burn (instead of 4 Reflector Mage).
I've got 3 questions:
1. What about Thalia, Heretic Cathar Maybe could be fine in our SB against Phoenix. I'm gonna test it, but still think in good events I would play Rest in peace.
2. What do you think about Whirler Rogue? Never played this card. Is it good? When?
3. Sideboard Guide against God Tier/Tier 1 Decks?
Thank you guys¡¡¡
Turn 2 Thalia 2.0 is nuts! I played her in bant midrange decks when EldraziTron was tier1 and she was too good!
I often thought about her in the "two flexslots" we've got but sometimes she does nothing game one. The other question is what to cut from the sideboard? I think you want at least two copies... one copy is not enough. Maybe in favor of the RiP because she's easier to cast. Definitely a strong card to try out.
One of my favorite SB cards! At first I didn't like her but she is good in a lot of matchups. I board her in in the mirror and vs spirits to deal with opposing Phantasmal Image or to break boardstalls. Also she comes handy in grindy matchups leaving three bodies.
It's a bit old but still a good overview to a lot of matchups - Ondrej Strasky made this up.
http://arnbl.blogspot.com/2018/09/the-ultimate-humans-primer.html
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I will try Dylan Hand's list for the weekend.
4x Noble Hierarch
4x Champion of the Parish
4x Thalia's Lieutenant
4x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3x Kitesail Freebooter
4x Meddling Mage
4x Phantasmal Image
2x Tajic, Legion's Edge
4x Reflector Mage
4x Mantis Rider
Lands:
4x Unclaimed Territory
4x Cavern of Souls
4x Horizon Canopy
4x Ancient Ziggurat
1x Seachrome Coast
1x Island
1x Plains
2x Dismember
2x Damping Sphere
1x Deputy of Detention
1x Whirler Rogue
2x Knight of Autumn
3x Auriok Champion
1x Hostage Taker
1x Kambal, Consul of Allocation
2x Sin Collector
I really like the list and I think Deputy of Detention is an upgrade to Izzet Staticaster - to bad it's no human
Legacy: Maverick
Pauper: UB Delver
I will test Thalia 2.0, Kambal and Whirler Rogue this weekend.
I think Deputy of Detention is worst than Izzet Staticaster right now... so I will continue playing our girl. Tell us your experience this weekend with Deputy.
I get the downside of the card but it just seems like an easy call to me.
This is my list I played on FNM and on a tournament on saturday.
4x Noble Hierarch
4x Champion of the Parish
4x Thalia's Lieutenant
4x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3x Kitesail Freebooter
4x Meddling Mage
4x Phantasmal Image
1x Tajic, Legion's Edge
1x Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4x Reflector Mage
4x Mantis Rider
Lands:
4x Unclaimed Territory
4x Cavern of Souls
4x Horizon Canopy
4x Ancient Ziggurat
1x Seachrome Coast
1x Island
1x Plains
2x Dismember
3x Damping Sphere
2x Deputy of Detention
1x Whirler Rogue
2x Knight of Autumn
2x Auriok Champion
1x Kambal, Consul of Allocation
2x Sin Collector
I took Dylan's list but realised I only own 1x Tajic, Legion's Edge... so I throw in Thalia 2.0 for (FNM 30 ppl).
Finished 3-1
W Burn 2-0
W Restore Balance 2-1
W BG Rock 2-0
L Storm 1-2
The deck felt good so I ran it back on saturday (only 12 ppl):
Finished 2-2
W Dredge 2-1
L 0-2 Zoo
L Burn 1-2
W Oldschool Affinity 2-0
Thalia, Heretic Cathar: The taxing was nice even when she entered t3/t4. I think I will drop her in favor on the second Tajic...
Tajic, Legion's Edge: Was really strong! Mantis Rider 5-6 and the protection is strong vs Dredge and Lightning Bolt decks. I'll go up to two copies. Really liked him.
Damping Sphere: My meta is flooded with Amulet Titan so it's more of a meta call. It's also good vs storm and UR Phoenix so for me the 3rd copie is set in stone.
Auriok Champion: Only had 2 copies on friday because the other two where in the mail... Due to the ok finish on friday I didn't change my list. Maybe I'll go up to three because of your feedback.
Deputy of Detention: She is like another Reflector Mage and I think is good to lock out Dredge and other go wide decks. I think I will cut one copie from the sideboard in favor of the third copy of Auriok Champion.
All in all deck felt super solid and I had a blast to play it. Will do further testing against some tier 1 decks.
Legacy: Maverick
Pauper: UB Delver
I played some games against the new boogeyman UR Phoenix yesterday.
Match up is pretty tough but not as unwinnable as I thought. We've found that being on the play is huge for us as well for the Phoenix pilot. MVPs are definitely Reflector Mage and Meddling Mage. Preventing Bolt is huge and bouncing TiTi changes the boardstate significant.
Postboard Phoenix tend to be a little bit more controly. In those cases I really liked Mantis Rider and Tajic, Legion's Edge. Tajic even transfroms Anger of the God into a 3cmc spot removal.
One annoying thing... Blood Moon. Never played against it with 5c Humans. Do you think it's necessary to bring Knight of Autumn? I mean... without dork/vial we can't play her anyway. And those two won't stay on the battlefied for long.
Boarding:
-3x Kitesail Freebooter (felt often to slow)
-2x Thalia's Lieutenant
-2x Phantasmal Image (copying Awaken Horror is huge but dies to Gut Shot)
+3x Damping Sphere
+1x Deputy of Detention
+2x Dismember
+1x Kambal, Consul of Allocation
Legacy: Maverick
Pauper: UB Delver
I have been absolutely also loving Kambal - there was one match against Orzhov Tokens (happy to link the video if interested) that Kambal did all of the heavy lifting. I have been playing 2 in the SB.
Modern: Humans, Spirits