I love Rhonas’ Last Stand and wish more decks made use of it. But in our deck I think we have to choose whether we are building for big-play Aspect of Hydra or not. And if we are (and I think we are) we don’t want to be spending effectively 4 green mana putting a permanent with zero devotion onto the board.
I love Rhonas's Last Stand as well but I doubt its tournament viable at all.
No, I don’t think it’s viable in most fair decks (4 mana is a huge cost if that’s what it winds up costing, which is what it does in fair decks). I think a modern shell theoretically exists where you drop it t1 with only one land down (assisted by Chancellor of the Tangle), where the cost is mitigated somewhat. But that’s a discussion for a different deck.
(I was sad when Elvish Spirit Guide was not printed in Modern Horizons - that in modern would provide some much needed redundancy for that sort of effect in green).
No, I don’t think it’s viable in most fair decks (4 mana is a huge cost if that’s what it winds up costing, which is what it does in fair decks). I think a modern shell theoretically exists where you drop it t1 with only one land down (assisted by Chancellor of the Tangle), where the cost is mitigated somewhat. But that’s a discussion for a different deck.
(I was sad when Elvish Spirit Guide was not printed in Modern Horizons - that in modern would provide some much needed redundancy for that sort of effect in green).
Gotta think they just never intend to introduce ESG. On top of that I was fingers crossed that it might hit Pauper as well by being reprinted at common. A guy can dream
Back on the subject of porting this deck to pioneer... one card I didn’t see mentioned as a loss is Savage Swipe - people may have it in mind as a ‘recent’ card and thus will come forward to pioneer, but as a card in Modern Horizons, it won’t. So we’re back to finding a playable removal spell with that gone.
And in another direction - if we’re interested in finding a similar-utility replacement for Rancor, we might look at Rosethorn Halberd again. When it came out we dismissed it for this deck because it simply wasn’t as good as Rancor. But in rancorless Pioneer, we should look again. It gives the similar power boost, devotion, and eventual (albeit slower) reusability if its first host goes away. It loses trample of course (trading it for +1 toughness) but on the other hand, it’s ‘permanent’ devotion - even if the creature goes away it stays on board, and while Rancor can be sent to grave for-real if removal removes its target while it’s on the stack, this at least stays on the battlefield for devotion and possible eventual reattach.
So, not as good as Rancor ... but is it good enough to replace Rancor in the new format where Rancor does not exist?
I tested Mandrills with 11 fetch lands sometime ago, still feels kind of slow. In a no fetchland format like Pioneer, Mandrills feels like would be unusable.
I actually made a modern mono green deck. I’m new to the thread so hopefully this turns out well. It’s not the typical list, but i can generally win by turn 3.
For something this much of a glass cannon you really need more defensive spells. You seemed to have mashed up an infect list with a stompy list built around Syr farren but missed the core cards to make this strategy work.
The main points.
You only have 3 protection spell, a will placed path or push kill the deck, if your running the deck this way you need 4 blossoming defences and the vines.
Without curving out aspect is pretty useless and ground swell is inconsistent at best without fetches. Might of old Korsa and scale up would serve better. Yorvo need cretures to make him big. You don't run that many cretures. He also has no evasion, try steel leaf champion as it at least has evasion. How do you plan or crewing heart of Keiran? You want to be attacking with your cretures, Syr, elf, birds cannot crew it and you really don't what to crew it with a groundbreaker and you only have 2 nissas.
These are the tip of the iceberg. Please read through the decks primer on pages 1 of this thread ( I also recommend reading through the infect thread)
eh..... its kinda good and maybe a pair would be nice but overall if they can keep you off creatures this is kinda meh even with keeping all the +1 counters the deck can theoretically create.
If they can keep you off of creatures, then replacing this for a creature or buff would not be great. This card is great specifically BECAUSE people try and keep you off creatures. It hard to kill EVERYTHING on your board, and this makes sure that the payoff the get for trying to do so is minimal.
Is Ram Through the best candidate mono-green removal option we’ve seen in a while? Instant Rabid Bite that actually makes tramplers ‘trample’. On a beefy Avatar of the Resolute, thy could do some heavy lifting.
i think you are right!, i usually run 2dismember and 2 savage swipe as removal, but i like very muchram throught, i think i'll put it in the main(at least 2)
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I love Rhonas's Last Stand as well but I doubt its tournament viable at all.
(I was sad when Elvish Spirit Guide was not printed in Modern Horizons - that in modern would provide some much needed redundancy for that sort of effect in green).
Gotta think they just never intend to introduce ESG. On top of that I was fingers crossed that it might hit Pauper as well by being reprinted at common. A guy can dream
And in another direction - if we’re interested in finding a similar-utility replacement for Rancor, we might look at Rosethorn Halberd again. When it came out we dismissed it for this deck because it simply wasn’t as good as Rancor. But in rancorless Pioneer, we should look again. It gives the similar power boost, devotion, and eventual (albeit slower) reusability if its first host goes away. It loses trample of course (trading it for +1 toughness) but on the other hand, it’s ‘permanent’ devotion - even if the creature goes away it stays on board, and while Rancor can be sent to grave for-real if removal removes its target while it’s on the stack, this at least stays on the battlefield for devotion and possible eventual reattach.
So, not as good as Rancor ... but is it good enough to replace Rancor in the new format where Rancor does not exist?
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I actually made a modern mono green deck. I’m new to the thread so hopefully this turns out well. It’s not the typical list, but i can generally win by turn 3.
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4 Birds of paradise
4 llanowar elves
4 syr Farren, the hengegammer
3 yorvo, lord of garenbrig
4 groundbreaker
2 smuggler’s copter
2 heart of Kiran
2 nissa, voice of zendikar
4 mutagenic growth
4 groundswell
3 vines of vastwood
2 aspect of hydra
2 once upon a time
sideboard
2 grafdigger’s cage
2 tormid’s crypt
3 kitchen finks
1 thrun, the last troll
2 fracturing gust
2 nature’s claim
2 vine mare
1 krosan grip
the deck is rough, but it seems to do alright. What do you think?
The main points.
You only have 3 protection spell, a will placed path or push kill the deck, if your running the deck this way you need 4 blossoming defences and the vines.
Without curving out aspect is pretty useless and ground swell is inconsistent at best without fetches. Might of old Korsa and scale up would serve better. Yorvo need cretures to make him big. You don't run that many cretures. He also has no evasion, try steel leaf champion as it at least has evasion. How do you plan or crewing heart of Keiran? You want to be attacking with your cretures, Syr, elf, birds cannot crew it and you really don't what to crew it with a groundbreaker and you only have 2 nissas.
These are the tip of the iceberg. Please read through the decks primer on pages 1 of this thread ( I also recommend reading through the infect thread)
Competitive Decks
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Monkey Conservation WUGR ---- Dragon WorshipR
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Want to play a UW control deck in modern, but don't have jace or snaps?
Please come visit us at the Emeria Titan control thread
Competitive Decks
Devotion to the Lash B ----
Monkey Conservation WUGR ---- Dragon WorshipR
Nexus MTG News // Nexus - Magic Art Gallery // MTG Dual Land Color Ratios Analyzer // MTG Card Drawing Odds Calculator
Want to play a UW control deck in modern, but don't have jace or snaps?
Please come visit us at the Emeria Titan control thread
Nexus MTG News // Nexus - Magic Art Gallery // MTG Dual Land Color Ratios Analyzer // MTG Card Drawing Odds Calculator
Want to play a UW control deck in modern, but don't have jace or snaps?
Please come visit us at the Emeria Titan control thread