That sounds like a pretty fun idea. Plenty of cards to look up the Cascading Cataracts with and can potentially drop three threats with one activation.
How many Golos would you run. Just one?
I've only been able to find room for 1 maindeck and 1 in the wishboard. In fact, I'd put Golos, Tireless Pilgrim in the wishboard before the maindeck. Pretty much the only Stony Silence effects this guy can't kill by tutoring for Blast Zone are the ones backed by incredible clocks, land destruction, or Blood Moon/Alpine Moon. I doubt Cascading Cataracts is worth it if you don't maindeck Golos, though. (I guess Mycosynth Lattice also fixes your mana for Golos, but that feels win-more unless Karn, the Great Creator eats removal immediately after landing Mycosynth or you're behind Ensnaring Bridge.)
Golos takes up deceptively many deck slots, though, so I understand not playing it.
Here's a card I feel is being overlooked: Veil of Summer.
I've long had a soft spot for Autumn's Veil as sideboard tech against counterspell decks, but it was never quite good enough to justify putting into the sideboard. Veil of Summer, however, is a strict upgrade, drawing you a card if an opponent played a Black or Blue spell, which of course they would have if you were casting it in response to a counterspell or creature removal spell. For that matter, even if they didn't cast one of those, it can function as a cantrip as long as they cast a blue or black spell--which is what will generally be the case for decks you bring it in against.
So I have been going pretty hard on the wishboard, I want it to do everything. it has bugged me that I actually have to side in my artifact/enchantment removal and have to draw it, I can't go the '4 KGC gives me a functional 4 mainboard' route. Quick Gatherer search, Sylvok Replica seems pretty sweet. can't be cast at instant speed, but it can go off, cast it early, have it chilling there for a target. It might be too cute, but it would be nice to have the Surgicals be the only thing I actually have to side in.
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So I have been going pretty hard on the wishboard, I want it to do everything. it has bugged me that I actually have to side in my artifact/enchantment removal and have to draw it, I can't go the '4 KGC gives me a functional 4 mainboard' route. Quick Gatherer search, Sylvok Replica seems pretty sweet. can't be cast at instant speed, but it can go off, cast it early, have it chilling there for a target. It might be too cute, but it would be nice to have the Surgicals be the only thing I actually have to side in.
I think Sylvok Replica is too cute because it's hosed by Stony Silence and friends. While Sylvok Replica is better against Blood Moon, Oblivion Stone in the wishboard is often good enough against that.
My personal current anti-Stony Silence tech in the wishboard is Golos, Tireless Pilgrim tutoring for Blast Zone. While it may be somewhat slow and it's hosed by Blood Moon, at least it can attack opposing Karn, the Great Creator, unlike Culling Scales (whuch can't even kill Karn GC), and it costs less than 7 mana, unlike Meteor Golem.
Is there a thread for more random Tron decks? I don't like netdecking and am looking for people that like to play home brews and I've got a set of each urza land but was to to do something different.
Is there a thread for more random Tron decks? I don't like netdecking and am looking for people that like to play home brews and I've got a set of each urza land but was to to do something different.
Beyond G(x) Tron, Mono-U Tron, and UW Tron, which all have their own threads in Established, I think you're stuck with Deck Creation. (Heck, I suspect the UR Tron thread disappeared.)
So I've been playing this deck for about 2 weeks now on MTGO and didnt event realize I've been playing the deck without Ancient Stirrings in my 75.
No reason... I just complete forgot to add it. Had no clue until I was watching this weekends SCG event and someone played it.
I used to play G Tron in paper, now just MTGO and I guess it just missed it. Not having physical cards in front of you make deck building different.
Upside! The deck has been fine without it even if there is a banning. Now that I realized its not in I might actually take out Expedition Maps to add them. Crazy right? I find map too slow.
Big picture, with the new London Mulligan and aggressive mulligans this deck is fine without.
Personally I think the the Mulligan rule needs to go an it makes deck like Tron seriously consistent. However, it does make sideboard cards more viable.
I just thought it would be cool to share. Before Hogaak/Bridge there was tons of talk about Stirrings banning and I'm not worried about it anymore.
Any new ideas on how we are bulding our deck after the b&r announcement?
Do we stick with the wishboard or do we go a more oldschool route?
I don't feel the need to change anything because of this. I don't think there is a clear answer on which one is better, but this changes nothing. if anything, it matters less now because Tron will be better positioned and either will do better.
On the topic of reacting to bannings, I don't have a great feeling about Stirrings. if it were to take a banhammer to the teeth, what do we think would replace it? I already run Oath of Nissa but I don't know what would go in those spots
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With control running 4 field of ruin, should we run 5 basics? should blast zone get cut?
The most commonly cut utility land I've seen lately is actually Ghost Quarter.
I'm not quite confident that Field of Ruin control will actually spike high enough to justify cutting a utility land for a 5th basic; Stoneforge Mystic may be going through New Toy Syndrome if the latest MTGO results are any indication, but a substantial number of those SFM decks cannot support Field of Ruin or Ghost Quarter, and SFM decks seem willing enough to board in Stony Silence effects (because they do not hose the cheat-in-Batterskull plan) that I don't think dropping Blast Zone is the right call. (SFM is inordinately good against decks like Humans, so I predict it will actually shape the meta.)
Ok thanks. I can see u/w control being not being the top deck, but lots of odd midrange decks are floating around that like running field of ruin that I thought it was worth mentioning.
The other thing I'm thinking of is cutting mainboard relics in favor of dismembers. I'm assuming there's going to be a lot less graveyard decks. Plus I've always wondered why eldrazi tron played dismember while we played relic. I get that our deck likes the eggs package but theres still some overalp in the decks.
But yeah, everything still needs to settle into place
Oh and one more thing, is world breaker gone from the mainboard now?
Digging through some old sideboarding notes and it says to board out o-stone and relics and dismembers against u/w control but I have mixed feelings on this. Dismember feels like an easy cut but o-stone deals with their walkers. I've seen some websites advise boarding out the ulamogs and world breakers but that never worked out for me personally. Wurmcoil looks bad but I was thinking leave it in so the deck is so top heavy that something eventually sticks around. It's not like they're boarding in fulminator anyways. Then there's the issue of stony silence being boarded in against us and where nature's claim fits in. I've usually liked nature's claim because it also hits detention sphere and search for azcanta but I don't know if they're still playing those.
I'm pretty good with boarding for other matchups but something about control is tricky. Partly because their decklist changes so much.
Sideboarding over all is kind of all over the place right now. There are so many "new" decks floating arround with a lot of different configs.
Im still waiting for a little bit to decide how I built my Sideboard.
On another issue: How good is mystic forge? Ive seen it in quite a lot of sideboards. Is the card really worth it and when do you pick it up with karn?
On another issue: How good is mystic forge? Ive seen it in quite a lot of sideboards. Is the card really worth it and when do you pick it up with karn?
While Mystic Forge is becoming increasingly common in Eldrazi Tron sideboards, I basically haven't seen it in Gx Tron sideboards. And for good reason: we're way too prone to blowing it up with our own Oblivion Stone and it whiffs too often in this deck.
(I still believe Golos, Tireless Pilgrim is better than Mystic Forge in Gx Tron: its ability whiffs less often and produces more CA from my testing, we need the Tron badly enough that its land search matters more, and it can tutor for a way to blow up Stony Silence effects: Blast Zone. Of course, squeezing in a Cascading Cataracts to support Golos is costly deckbuilding-wise.)
Anybody have any advice for these damn prowess decks? they're just so fast. I'm rusty, getting back after a long time of mostly commander and it just feels like a bad time to keep having these solid hands but i'm dead before it matters
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Anybody have any advice for these damn prowess decks? they're just so fast. I'm rusty, getting back after a long time of mostly commander and it just feels like a bad time to keep having these solid hands but i'm dead before it matters
Trinisphere is a beating out of the Karn, the Great Creator wishboard that slows Prowess's spellcasting to a crawl or even stops it entirely, and maindeck Thragtusk often comes down and gains life just early enough to matter (unlike Wurmcoil Engine). One of the most successful MTGO lists lately runs Wandering Archaic to hopefully either stifle their spellcasting rate or copy a burn spell and zap one of their dudes. I suspect that using Nature's Claim in the sideboard might give you enough life gain against Prowess.
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I've only been able to find room for 1 maindeck and 1 in the wishboard. In fact, I'd put Golos, Tireless Pilgrim in the wishboard before the maindeck. Pretty much the only Stony Silence effects this guy can't kill by tutoring for Blast Zone are the ones backed by incredible clocks, land destruction, or Blood Moon/Alpine Moon. I doubt Cascading Cataracts is worth it if you don't maindeck Golos, though. (I guess Mycosynth Lattice also fixes your mana for Golos, but that feels win-more unless Karn, the Great Creator eats removal immediately after landing Mycosynth or you're behind Ensnaring Bridge.)
Golos takes up deceptively many deck slots, though, so I understand not playing it.
I've long had a soft spot for Autumn's Veil as sideboard tech against counterspell decks, but it was never quite good enough to justify putting into the sideboard. Veil of Summer, however, is a strict upgrade, drawing you a card if an opponent played a Black or Blue spell, which of course they would have if you were casting it in response to a counterspell or creature removal spell. For that matter, even if they didn't cast one of those, it can function as a cantrip as long as they cast a blue or black spell--which is what will generally be the case for decks you bring it in against.
I think Sylvok Replica is too cute because it's hosed by Stony Silence and friends. While Sylvok Replica is better against Blood Moon, Oblivion Stone in the wishboard is often good enough against that.
My personal current anti-Stony Silence tech in the wishboard is Golos, Tireless Pilgrim tutoring for Blast Zone. While it may be somewhat slow and it's hosed by Blood Moon, at least it can attack opposing Karn, the Great Creator, unlike Culling Scales (whuch can't even kill Karn GC), and it costs less than 7 mana, unlike Meteor Golem.
Beyond G(x) Tron, Mono-U Tron, and UW Tron, which all have their own threads in Established, I think you're stuck with Deck Creation. (Heck, I suspect the UR Tron thread disappeared.)
No reason... I just complete forgot to add it. Had no clue until I was watching this weekends SCG event and someone played it.
I used to play G Tron in paper, now just MTGO and I guess it just missed it. Not having physical cards in front of you make deck building different.
Upside! The deck has been fine without it even if there is a banning. Now that I realized its not in I might actually take out Expedition Maps to add them. Crazy right? I find map too slow.
Big picture, with the new London Mulligan and aggressive mulligans this deck is fine without.
Personally I think the the Mulligan rule needs to go an it makes deck like Tron seriously consistent. However, it does make sideboard cards more viable.
I just thought it would be cool to share. Before Hogaak/Bridge there was tons of talk about Stirrings banning and I'm not worried about it anymore.
Do we stick with the wishboard or do we go a more oldschool route?
I don't feel the need to change anything because of this. I don't think there is a clear answer on which one is better, but this changes nothing. if anything, it matters less now because Tron will be better positioned and either will do better.
On the topic of reacting to bannings, I don't have a great feeling about Stirrings. if it were to take a banhammer to the teeth, what do we think would replace it? I already run Oath of Nissa but I don't know what would go in those spots
The most commonly cut utility land I've seen lately is actually Ghost Quarter.
I'm not quite confident that Field of Ruin control will actually spike high enough to justify cutting a utility land for a 5th basic; Stoneforge Mystic may be going through New Toy Syndrome if the latest MTGO results are any indication, but a substantial number of those SFM decks cannot support Field of Ruin or Ghost Quarter, and SFM decks seem willing enough to board in Stony Silence effects (because they do not hose the cheat-in-Batterskull plan) that I don't think dropping Blast Zone is the right call. (SFM is inordinately good against decks like Humans, so I predict it will actually shape the meta.)
The other thing I'm thinking of is cutting mainboard relics in favor of dismembers. I'm assuming there's going to be a lot less graveyard decks. Plus I've always wondered why eldrazi tron played dismember while we played relic. I get that our deck likes the eggs package but theres still some overalp in the decks.
But yeah, everything still needs to settle into place
Oh and one more thing, is world breaker gone from the mainboard now?
I'm pretty good with boarding for other matchups but something about control is tricky. Partly because their decklist changes so much.
Im still waiting for a little bit to decide how I built my Sideboard.
On another issue: How good is mystic forge? Ive seen it in quite a lot of sideboards. Is the card really worth it and when do you pick it up with karn?
While Mystic Forge is becoming increasingly common in Eldrazi Tron sideboards, I basically haven't seen it in Gx Tron sideboards. And for good reason: we're way too prone to blowing it up with our own Oblivion Stone and it whiffs too often in this deck.
(I still believe Golos, Tireless Pilgrim is better than Mystic Forge in Gx Tron: its ability whiffs less often and produces more CA from my testing, we need the Tron badly enough that its land search matters more, and it can tutor for a way to blow up Stony Silence effects: Blast Zone. Of course, squeezing in a Cascading Cataracts to support Golos is costly deckbuilding-wise.)
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4 mine
4 tower
4 power plant
4 forest
1 blast zone
1 sanctum of ugin
1 Seagate wreckage
4 chrome star
4 chrome sphere
4 map
4 Karn liberated
4 Karn great creator
2 ugin , the spirit dragon
2 o-stone
2 thragtusk
2 wurmcoil
2 walking ballista
2 ulamog
4 ancient stirring
3 once apon a time
2 sylvian scrying
SB ( work in progress)
1 Mycosynth lattice
1 ensnaring bridge
1 liquimetal coating
1 sorcerous spyglass
1 crusible of the worlds
1 witchbane orb
2 dismember
1 warping wail
2 natures claim
1 all is dust
1 weather the storm
1 emerkul, the promised end
Am I going in the right direction? Thoughts? Concerns?
Thank you
Trinisphere is a beating out of the Karn, the Great Creator wishboard that slows Prowess's spellcasting to a crawl or even stops it entirely, and maindeck Thragtusk often comes down and gains life just early enough to matter (unlike Wurmcoil Engine). One of the most successful MTGO lists lately runs Wandering Archaic to hopefully either stifle their spellcasting rate or copy a burn spell and zap one of their dudes. I suspect that using Nature's Claim in the sideboard might give you enough life gain against Prowess.