Quote from Ferragamo »Excellent discussion and great suggestions even though some of them were already considered in the old primer. Chord is an interesting card, definitely a very powerful in certain situations but what I really feel is that primal command should be the core of every G-devo decks supplemented with either chord, G-wave etc. Primal command is really such a flexible card and represents every answer you need against current meta, gains you life, wrecks every graveyard based decks, stops combo and control decks with looping and fetches creatures.
In my opinion the way to go with G-devo is to try and tempo out your opponent with attacking their mana base with tools like Primal Command, Acidic Slime, Avalanche Riders and Plow under.
Quote from ChiefMcCloud »Thanks! I'll consider cutting one of the primal commands or chords for the 4th plow under, as like I said in my post, Its really really hard to lose if you can resolve that card. I might be undervaluing it.
For the 4th garruk, I've always been worried about drawing a 2-garruk opening hand. In my current list, there really aren't any cards (other than prime time and nykthos) that I am not happy to have 2 of in my opening hand. Do you all feel like the 4th garruk is just a neccesity due to how powerful he is in this list?
As to the elesh norn, I would be super happy to chord of calling for her, but would be most concerned about being able to cast her if I draw into her. I don't own any fetchlands, so I would most likely need to replace a few forests with temple gardens and my overgrowth's with fertile grounds to support her. I'm not sure if even that would be enough to consistently cast double white if she ends up in my hand. It would certainly open up a few more sideboard cards for the toolkit though (kataki, thalia) and even a few cool mainboard cards (knight of the reliquary, resto angel). Its definitely something worth testing online before I go out and buy her in paper!
Quote from Cranial_extraction »I feel like the elf version is going to catch a lot of hate for other deck that are running Damping Matrix for twin/pod or Anger of the Gods for Zoo/Affinity. Anyone run into these SB problems?
Quote from purklefluff »ok so guys. the discussion here is very positive. cheers for those responses earlier.
elderscale wurm: i'm playing scapeshift at the next PTQ, and i'm looking at my deck right now, struggling to think what beats elderscale wurm except for remanding your chord, or bouncing the wurm with a cryptic command. other than those options, my deck is dead to wurm. that's pretty decent. excellent, even. i either have the bounce or i lose the game. pretty powerful.
same goes for splinter twin. on turn four, they tap out for splinter twin on their dude, safe in the knowledge that you're playing mono green and you can't counter their spell. you tap out for chord in response to them casting Twin, and fetch elderscale wurm, and then what do they do? they don't have the removal, they only run 2 cryptics. seems strong. only downside is they might be running a singleton pact of negation or dispel which could catch us off guard. but if they rush their combo against "the green deck" and we have enough mana for chord, we'll win.
seems excellent guys. maindeckable, even. hadn't considered it until now, but it's strong.
spellskite - i think it's strongly maindeckable. most other combo decks will be rushing for their combo game 1. you can chord for this guy as early as turn 2, and redirect triggers, splinter twin, arcbound ravager counters, karn liberated activations, all kinds of shenanigans. i think we strongly need one game 1 when everyone's trying to rush the combo. it'll take people by surprise, and that wins games.
linvala, keeper of silence i still think maindeckable, just like pod decks keep her in. she just gives you a free win vs. twin/pod, if they can't find the removal. maybe she just stalls them for 2 turns and in the meantime you win. a 3/4 flyer is decent as well. she's better than resto angel for sure. i can see her as a sideboard option though, that's fine. isn't twin our weakest matchup?
elesh norn, grand cenobite - in response to your comments, yes i'd consider dropping craterhoof for Norn. she does craterhoof's job fairly well and also wraths their board. she can also stop Splinter Twin in its tracks, destroy pod, jund, and others. if they have the removal it becomes difficult, that's true. so maybe the deck runs both.
thrun, the last troll - i still really like this guy. he's devotion you can't bolt or kill in response to activating nykthos (the ability checks devotion on resolution) and he blocks everything, forever. against quick decks he's a road block. against control (one of the hardest matchups) he swings in effectively for free. sure he's not flashy. but he's hard to kill. if our opponents cast anger of the gods he's still going to stick around afterwards. perhaps he's sideboard only, but i like the fact that once he's on the board, he's effectively "banked" devotion that they can't really get rid of.
inferno titan - i see what you're saying. i would consider just swapping him our for wurmcoil engine as a replacement. i was just thinking "what's the single most damage dealing creature for 6 mana or less that just wins the game if they let me untap with it". inferno titan is that creature. wurmcoil doesn't care about colour fixing and it stabilises very well. flashing it in off a chord could probably net you enough advantage to win anyway. seems decent either way.
that leaves me with a reduced toolbox of only 4 creatures:
1x linvala, keeper of secrets
1x elesh norn
1x elderscale wurm (even adds devotion. decent!)
and we may still want 1x craterhoof in there for the "i win" moment. but it's unclear. i think kessig wolf run triggers should be enough, so i'll be running a list without craterhoof to test the differences.
now in the sideboard:
1x courser of kruphix gains a million life when you Wave
1x wurmcoil engine
1x burning-tree shaman (chord-able anti twin tech)
yeah that actually seems a lot better. i chose to leave Thrun out of the mix. i'll test a few times with him in and with him out. if i find myself needing or wanting to chord him out with any regularity, i'll suggest to the group that we make a maindeck spot for him.
Quote from Ferragamo »[quote from="purklefluff »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/established-modern/565457-mono-green-nykthos-devotion?comment=93"][quote from="Ferragamo »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/established-modern/565457-mono-green-nykthos-devotion?comment=91"]
This is the list I'm testing atm:
CurdBros's DeckMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards
1x Acidic Slime4x Arbor Elf4x Avalanche Riders4x Burning-Tree Emissary1x Craterhoof Behemoth4x Eternal Witness3x Primeval Titan4x Abundant Growth4x Utopia Sprawl3x Genesis Wave4x Primal Command4x Garruk Wildspeaker11x Forest1x Inkmoth Nexus1x Kessig Wolf Run4x Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx3x Stomping Ground
Quote from Pedros »
What is a minimum number of elves to run Elvish Archdruid? I liked its engine, however is 4 arbor elves, 4 elvish visionary, 3 archdruid enought or not enought?