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A) Most animals are not participants or potential participants in human society.
B) Most animals are not self-aware.
C) Most vegetarians are so obnoxious that it gives me pleasure to eat meat out of sheer spite. OM NOM NOM
Quote from ferro_manI currently am working on a R/G modern LD deck, I'll post it when I get home from work tonight
Quote from DrWormI did not run Boom//Bust because I just have not found that Flagstones shenanegans are that realiable in my matches, and Arbiter makes it much worse.
Quote from mafteechrBut Bloodbraid Elf's cascade into Boom//Bust is the best!
Quote from FlaatTypical keepable hand is 2-3 land 5-4 cards so if your opponent doesn't show land on a first turn blackmail you only cannot choose 1-2 cards. Altho I agree this is giving choise its still a bad situation for them becuase people just dont play bad cards you always get to pick something good. Maybe your right tho, and it could be better to just play 4 Inquisition of Kozilek and get rid of low mana plays first and then destroy lands
The thing is that modern is a fast format, even on the play a Goyf or Delver can come online before your land distruction or on the draw your counters. To me it seems that 1 mana discard solves that situation before it arises.
Another thing that bothers me about U/R is that it has a twofold game plan. It wants to be reactive with counters and proactive with land destruction. These two plans do not work well together, a turn 3 Stone rain means you cannot counter his turn 3 play. Id rather be full on proactive and not have to worry about needing mana open on my opponents turn the first part of the game.
Altho i cannot prove that this is a better game plan my gut feeling tells me to avoid this situation.
Quote from NabbydianI like Frost Titan as the finisher here, the extra 2 required to remove him really does add up when mana is already at a premium.
Quote from mafteechrWere I to play LD, I'd play Naya so I could run Knight of the Reliquary and Bloodbraid Elf. Nothing beats cascading into Boom/Bust and casting Bust for free.
Then you have Acidic Slime, which you can flicker with Restoration Angel. And if you're playing Angel, you can have Kiki in the sideboard for a surprise win.
Quote from ThoughtseizerI also tend to agree that the Naya version must be the most competitive considering the power of the cards the colours offer.
Apart from that i like the U/R version more since it is more "rogue-ish", but splashing the white for Ajani, Vengeant and cheap removal in the early game (Lightning Helix) seems as a must to me, taking the current metagame in consideration.
Hasn't anyone thought about Tamiyo in this deck?
Quote from DOLZeroHere is my attempt at a deck list. Maybe I will get some feedback this time.
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Spells: 194x Lightning Bolt4x Lightning Helix4x Boom // Bust4x Stone Rain3x Wrath of GodPermanents: 74x Spreading Seas3x Ajani VengeantCritters: 114x Figure of Destiny4x Delver of Secrets3x Frost TitanLand: 234x Arid Mesa4x Scalding Tarn4x Sacred Foundry3x Hallowed Fountain3x Steam Vents3x Flagstones of Trokair2x Darksteel Citadel
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Also, I wouldn't base the deck on Bloodbraid Elf. Too much luck involved and the typical list for it would be something like what DrWorm posted and it's really clunky. You won't always be getting that LD from the Cascade. I want to be able to 'consistently' attack their mana base my way and not hope for it to happen with every Cascade activation.
Quote from DOLZeroI really don't think double white is hard by turn 4, especially since 18/23 lands can get white. Wrath seems good, but maybe too slow. This is something I have considered, but I figure the Bolts and Helixs can take care of early game threats, where Wrath can reset the board regardless of how big a Goyf or anything else is. Etched Champion is another big reason why I would use Wrath over burn based sweepers.
Delver and Figure went in as I was pondering what other finishers besides Frost Titan I could run. Nothing else really jumped at me, but I am open to other suggestions. Steppe Lynx could be fun if I dropped a second Flagstones. I run enough fetches to make them worth while too, but at that point I might as well just run a typical URW Delver build.
I could go with basics, and usually try to fit a few in for those Paths that seem to show in every deck with white. Blood Moon isn't a huge threat, as there is only 1 established deck that I know of that runs it (RUG Delver).
Thanks for the input
FYI: Bloodbraid does nothing with Restoration Angel. You have to cast BBE to trigger the cascade, and that doesn't happen as an EtB effect.
Quote from DrWormWhile my deck is not perfect, or even well tuned (I don't spend too much time testing it), I think your assessment of BBE is incorrect. A well tuned and well built deck running BBE will have card quality that is high enough that no matter what you flip you are harming your opponent's board position. Look at Jund- there are some ideal flips, but all others are still good. It is CA and tempo all in one package.
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Okay man, here's the thing. I'm not personally attacking your deck or anything. But look at a typical Jund list. BBE fits right there perfectly. Everything that could be Cascaded in has pretty much an instant effect on the game. But now look at the typical R/G LD lists. You want ramp, birds, spirit guide blah blah blah. Those cards are horrible topdecks for Cascade.
Cascading into a Spirit Guide, Birds, Leonin Arbiter, Fulminator Mage isn't gonna do much for us. Yeah, I know your deck isn't well-tuned or whatever but I'm assessing BBE's role and its usefulness in a typical R/G LD deck. Not the card on its own. It's a great card and Jund is a different deck altogether. BBE belongs there. But with all the ramp creatures (possibly spells) being run here, I just don't think it belongs here. But I don't deny that it's good and warrants testing.
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It's also not necessary to pay life for shock lands. Many people tend to pop their fetches at EoT and put the land into play tapped.
Quote from BaconCatBugDarksteel Citadel makes Boom a 1R Stone Rain.