The deck requires at least 14 green sources if that's what you are curious about. I haven't seen a list anywhere not hitting that number and CoS is not a factor in that.
The deck requires at least 14 green sources if that's what you are curious about. I haven't seen a list anywhere not hitting that number and CoS is not a factor in that.
Exactly. If you are playing a Cavern of Souls T1 and calling Human you are doing it wrong (or you have 2 CoS in hand).
Yeah, removal is a problem for this deck, lucklily, most removal doesn´t work against this deck(Abrupt Decay, Lightning Bolt). Although Jeskai can Path him, but not too worried about that matchup, it seems good.
So, on another note, i´ve been testing Eldrazi Mimic, and i think it is quite good.
I found that this deck is all about grinding against grindy decks and racing against faster decks. You certainly can´t play the control role against fast decks like Bogles, Affinity and Burn. Ancient Tomb and mana dorks makes racing very easy. You just have to mulligan until a fast hands shows up.
Also, i think Plan A for this deck is to close the game ASAP, so Mimic does that very well, it´s a must answer for the opposing deck, and it fits in the curve perfectly. I wouldn´t go above 1 tho...
I just wonder if something like Thalia would be better though since we don't run a ton of non-creature spells and it can wrench up our opponents plans.
I was grinding games over the weekend. I found that 4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben was too many, so I cut a copy and added a Birds of Paradise. I'm very intent on testing Thalias in place of Spellskite. I think Thalia is better vs small zoo, burn (first strikes down their creatures, and taxes their burn), Junk, ESPECIALLY Tron (which is a bad match-up), etc. I think she shores up a lot of our bad match-ups. Also basically no removal in the format can trade tempo-even with Thalia outside of Path/Bolt.
I won't be able to take my deck to FNMs until I get my Cavern of Souls in the mail, so I won't be able to test against a larger field until then. I also found that I preferred my World Breaker in the sideboard rather than the mainboard. I tried him in the mainboard for a while, but it takes too long to ramp to 7 mana, and it's only situationally preferable to Drowner of Hope.
So I have everything from Pascals list, -3 Cavern of Souls. Do I go +3 Ghost Quarter or colored mana?
Pascal runs 3 Brushland + 2 Yavimaya Coast. I'd probably go up to 4 copies of each instead of Caverns while you wait for them. Having tri-lands for this deck is just too good. Ancient Ziggurat is also an amusing budget option lol.
I agree with all this. Also Exalted Thalia becomes very hard to block. Would we consider running a Gavony Township in the landbase at any point? Seems like something we could afford to run as a 1x.
I was also pretty intrigued by all the pros running this deck last weekend, so I decided to cash in some credit to pick up the missing pieces (this deck is super cheap if you just skimp on the caverns!) and try this thing out last night. Mulliganing isn't as straightforward as it looks like it would be on paper. There are a lot of hands where you have to weigh the odds of drawing into a land in x turns or hoping your mana dork doesn't get bolted so that you can ensure a powerful enough curve to take over the game.
I found myself terrified of blood moon in the two matches where it mattered, and my fears were confirmed when it locked me out of just about every spell in the deck. There are 0 colorless sources once you get mooned out, and the only way you can access any colored mana is if you draw one of the 7-8 sources that can become basics / have a dork alive. How do you guys feel about playing against blood moon? I'm considering throwing 1 or 2 Celestial Purge, Krosan Grip, Disenchant etc in the side as a retroactive answer for that and as something that could come in handy against some other decks. It just felt so bad being afraid to tap low to play a non-TKS threat against a deck running moons maindeck since the only answers in the current list are negates and a singleton worldbreaker. Also, has anybody tried Pascal's (?) version with the 1/1 Eldrazi Mimic split between the main and side in place of a BoP? It seemed like having access to a lower curve could be really beneficial against decks that put up less on-board resistance like Ad Nauseam or Storm.
In regards to Gavony Township, I tried adding it as the 4th Cavern of Souls replacement after maxing out the painlands. It only came up in one game, but it put me in a great position to win if my opponent didn't have a way to finish the game right away. This deck definitely comes off as one that would be interested in another mana sink. Too early for me to tell if it is relevant in enough games to warrant the slot over a ghost quarter or not though.
Mulliganing isn't as straightforward as it looks like it would be on paper. There are a lot of hands where you have to weigh the odds of drawing into a land in x turns or hoping your mana dork doesn't get bolted so that you can ensure a powerful enough curve to take over the game.
I found myself terrified of blood moon in the two matches where it mattered, and my fears were confirmed when it locked me out of just about every spell in the deck. There are 0 colorless sources once you get mooned out, and the only way you can access any colored mana is if you draw one of the 7-8 sources that can become basics / have a dork alive. How do you guys feel about playing against blood moon? I'm considering throwing 1 or 2 Celestial Purge, Krosan Grip, Disenchant etc in the side as a retroactive answer for that and as something that could come in handy against some other decks.
I'm running a Wastes in the main instead of a second Forest and a Celestial Purge in the side specifically for decks that want to Blood Moon me. My LGS occasionally has people who run Skred Red and the like, so I'd much rather gimp my mana a little and have outs than just be locked out of the game completely. In fact the first change I made to Todd Stevens' deck was adding a waste lol.
I haven't found mulliganing decisions to have been an issue yet. Sometimes you have to keep slightly risky hands, but no more so than other midrange decks for the most part. Ancient Stirrings is godlike lol.
I am trying to build this deck, though several key pieces are still eluding me (namely Noble Hierarch and Cavern Of Souls, hoping against all hopes that WotC reprints the latter in EMN). Funny thing: I was financing my way into Modern on the back of a couple of Expeditions (Wasteland!) and I had bought everything I needed for the BW Eldrazi Processor deck... a week before the Pro-Tour. The results were disheartening and I decided to wait until the Eye of Ugin ban before deciding the way to go.
I tested a bit Eldrazi and Taxes but it was simply too random for my tastes. RG Eldrazi seemed like a good way to go, but is simply so much slower than this deck which can get out TKS by turn 2, and reliably do so by turn 3.
At this point, I'm torn between this deck and the GW tokens deck (I also have most of the pieces for that one). I'm still watching where it will go from here.
I think this deck is harder to hate out, while tokens can be crapped on if it picks up steam withIllness in the Ranks. The tokens deck is more explosive, but we have resiliency(Ancient Stirrings so good).
I stopped testing Bant And started getting some reps with colorless eldrazi and its been good and fun.
I would like someone to give me their opinion on this deck. I know this isnt the thread but eldrazi are so fringe right now that i dont know who to ask.
What do you think in contrast to bant?
For context proposites: i play 4 chalice 4 thorn And 4 ssg. I think that is kind of stock of you go for colorless.
Pascal´s article on Bant Eldrazi. He says pretty much all the things we already talked about.
Reshaper>Skyspawner for mana purposes. Although Skyspawner helps with the Infect and Affinity matchup.
Mimic is there to race combo(and Rg Tron i guess?). He has one in the SB also, which i think he swapped with Drowner against combo decks.
Such a beautiful deck.....if Eldrazi Winter didn´t hit you hard i guess..
I've been a fan of Eldrazi even through Eldrazi Winter (in which I abandoned playing the BW Processor variant because I made stupid profit on my cards as well as played a lot of random other things). I've been bouncing between 2 Eldrazi decks since then (BW Processor and Eldrazi & Taxes). I will start testing this out because it looks like a solid list. I'll let you all know how it goes.
I liked this article more than Pascal´s. You can sense that Todd invested more time in the deck whereas Pascal played because his team was on it.
Maybe it´s a good time to grab all the pieces now, this deck might be the real thing.
I totally like where this deck is at. It plays the aggro game as well as the midrangey game. The utility of all the cards really increases it's value. It's not as weak to Tron as other decks are (due to being much better against Pyroclasm and Ugin sweeps).
I agree with you assessment. If you want the pieces, get them now. I would start with Nobles, than Caverns (if they're not reprinted in EMA). I'm pretty sure the prices will jump big time if this takes down a tournament when Modern season hits this August.
I agree with you assessment. If you want the pieces, get them now. I would start with Nobles, than Caverns (if they're not reprinted in EMA). I'm pretty sure the prices will jump big time if this takes down a tournament when Modern season hits this August.
I don't see Caverns being reprinted in EMA but it could be reprinted in Eldritch Moon. It doesn't harm standard a ton to reprint it and it will need one sooner or later.
I agree with you assessment. If you want the pieces, get them now. I would start with Nobles, than Caverns (if they're not reprinted in EMA). I'm pretty sure the prices will jump big time if this takes down a tournament when Modern season hits this August.
I don't see Caverns being reprinted in EMA but it could be reprinted in Eldritch Moon. It doesn't harm standard a ton to reprint it and it will need one sooner or later.
I'm torn on this as I only need the caverns but have my main deck to play in the meantime still. I also don't think they will be in EMA, but hopefully reprinted soon... I just can't quite justify over $30 each for the three more I need, but those are the only cards I'm lacking...
Also, I know this isn't the price discussion forums, but does anyone else feel like some of the eldrazi are going to go way up in price a few years down the road after their sets are out of print. Thought Knot feels like a $15-20 card to me, but may just be too niche due to colorless mana.
I agree with you assessment. If you want the pieces, get them now. I would start with Nobles, than Caverns (if they're not reprinted in EMA). I'm pretty sure the prices will jump big time if this takes down a tournament when Modern season hits this August.
I don't see Caverns being reprinted in EMA but it could be reprinted in Eldritch Moon. It doesn't harm standard a ton to reprint it and it will need one sooner or later.
I'm torn on this as I only need the caverns but have my main deck to play in the meantime still. I also don't think they will be in EMA, but hopefully reprinted soon... I just can't quite justify over $30 each for the three more I need, but those are the only cards I'm lacking...
Also, I know this isn't the price discussion forums, but does anyone else feel like some of the eldrazi are going to go way up in price a few years down the road after their sets are out of print. Thought Knot feels like a $15-20 card to me, but may just be too niche due to colorless mana.
Totally now is the time to pick up all the staples. I think Cavern of Souls is at $50 to $60 right now and I can see it staying there for the most part. It's not used in a ton of decks but any deck that is pseudo-tribal is going to want as many as possible (especially if counterspell oriented control decks are around like they are now). I think currently they are in the "nice to have" list and only "required" if you are expecting a ton of control matchups (my meta is swarmed with them atm). Use Corrupted Crossroads if you don't have them.
I have all the pieces because I rebought the Eldrazi I sold out on back before the March Triple GP weekend. I picked them up the week the B&R update took effect so I got in fairly cheap because I agree, TKS and Smasher are going to be great going forward. We have one guy at my shop playing GBC as well. Essentially it's Jund but without Bob and the Red cards. Instead it runs Reshaper, TKS, Smasher. He has been doing pretty well because it turns out Liliana and Smasher are besties. What I am getting at is that these cards are extremely easy to fit into any given strategy by twisting the manabase with a few colorless sources. They are also decent->strong on a normal curve, strong->great on a slightly accelerated curve and great->busted on magic christmas curves.
Exactly. If you are playing a Cavern of Souls T1 and calling Human you are doing it wrong (or you have 2 CoS in hand).
I was grinding games over the weekend. I found that 4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben was too many, so I cut a copy and added a Birds of Paradise. I'm very intent on testing Thalias in place of Spellskite. I think Thalia is better vs small zoo, burn (first strikes down their creatures, and taxes their burn), Junk, ESPECIALLY Tron (which is a bad match-up), etc. I think she shores up a lot of our bad match-ups. Also basically no removal in the format can trade tempo-even with Thalia outside of Path/Bolt.
I won't be able to take my deck to FNMs until I get my Cavern of Souls in the mail, so I won't be able to test against a larger field until then. I also found that I preferred my World Breaker in the sideboard rather than the mainboard. I tried him in the mainboard for a while, but it takes too long to ramp to 7 mana, and it's only situationally preferable to Drowner of Hope.
Pascal runs 3 Brushland + 2 Yavimaya Coast. I'd probably go up to 4 copies of each instead of Caverns while you wait for them. Having tri-lands for this deck is just too good. Ancient Ziggurat is also an amusing budget option lol.
Modern -
I found myself terrified of blood moon in the two matches where it mattered, and my fears were confirmed when it locked me out of just about every spell in the deck. There are 0 colorless sources once you get mooned out, and the only way you can access any colored mana is if you draw one of the 7-8 sources that can become basics / have a dork alive. How do you guys feel about playing against blood moon? I'm considering throwing 1 or 2 Celestial Purge, Krosan Grip, Disenchant etc in the side as a retroactive answer for that and as something that could come in handy against some other decks. It just felt so bad being afraid to tap low to play a non-TKS threat against a deck running moons maindeck since the only answers in the current list are negates and a singleton worldbreaker. Also, has anybody tried Pascal's (?) version with the 1/1 Eldrazi Mimic split between the main and side in place of a BoP? It seemed like having access to a lower curve could be really beneficial against decks that put up less on-board resistance like Ad Nauseam or Storm.
In regards to Gavony Township, I tried adding it as the 4th Cavern of Souls replacement after maxing out the painlands. It only came up in one game, but it put me in a great position to win if my opponent didn't have a way to finish the game right away. This deck definitely comes off as one that would be interested in another mana sink. Too early for me to tell if it is relevant in enough games to warrant the slot over a ghost quarter or not though.
I'm running a Wastes in the main instead of a second Forest and a Celestial Purge in the side specifically for decks that want to Blood Moon me. My LGS occasionally has people who run Skred Red and the like, so I'd much rather gimp my mana a little and have outs than just be locked out of the game completely. In fact the first change I made to Todd Stevens' deck was adding a waste lol.
I haven't found mulliganing decisions to have been an issue yet. Sometimes you have to keep slightly risky hands, but no more so than other midrange decks for the most part. Ancient Stirrings is godlike lol.
Modern -
Not casting bribery for Emrakul... that made me so sad.
With the GP success I was thinking this thread would get more traffic, but maybe Eldrazi Winter still needs to thaw...
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B8-Rack
I tested a bit Eldrazi and Taxes but it was simply too random for my tastes. RG Eldrazi seemed like a good way to go, but is simply so much slower than this deck which can get out TKS by turn 2, and reliably do so by turn 3.
At this point, I'm torn between this deck and the GW tokens deck (I also have most of the pieces for that one). I'm still watching where it will go from here.
WBC Eldrazi & Taxes CBW
UR Keep on Cantripin' (UR Phoenix) RU
WU Surprise! It's not UW Control! (UW Midrange) UW
BG The Rock, Straight BG
U Mono-Blue Fish U
RBW Mardu Pyromancer BWR
RG Rabble! Rabble! (GR Blood Moon Aggro) GR
Legacy
W Death & Taxes W
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I would like someone to give me their opinion on this deck. I know this isnt the thread but eldrazi are so fringe right now that i dont know who to ask.
What do you think in contrast to bant?
For context proposites: i play 4 chalice 4 thorn And 4 ssg. I think that is kind of stock of you go for colorless.
Pascal´s article on Bant Eldrazi. He says pretty much all the things we already talked about.
Reshaper>Skyspawner for mana purposes. Although Skyspawner helps with the Infect and Affinity matchup.
Mimic is there to race combo(and Rg Tron i guess?). He has one in the SB also, which i think he swapped with Drowner against combo decks.
Such a beautiful deck.....if Eldrazi Winter didn´t hit you hard i guess..
I've been a fan of Eldrazi even through Eldrazi Winter (in which I abandoned playing the BW Processor variant because I made stupid profit on my cards as well as played a lot of random other things). I've been bouncing between 2 Eldrazi decks since then (BW Processor and Eldrazi & Taxes). I will start testing this out because it looks like a solid list. I'll let you all know how it goes.
I fell in love with the spaghetti monsters while playing Colorless in Legacy.
In other news: New article on SCG from the first mutant Todd Stevens. http://www.starcitygames.com/article/32993_Enter-Bant-Eldrazi.html
I liked this article more than Pascal´s. You can sense that Todd invested more time in the deck whereas Pascal played because his team was on it.
Maybe it´s a good time to grab all the pieces now, this deck might be the real thing.
I totally like where this deck is at. It plays the aggro game as well as the midrangey game. The utility of all the cards really increases it's value. It's not as weak to Tron as other decks are (due to being much better against Pyroclasm and Ugin sweeps).
I don't see Caverns being reprinted in EMA but it could be reprinted in Eldritch Moon. It doesn't harm standard a ton to reprint it and it will need one sooner or later.
I'm torn on this as I only need the caverns but have my main deck to play in the meantime still. I also don't think they will be in EMA, but hopefully reprinted soon... I just can't quite justify over $30 each for the three more I need, but those are the only cards I'm lacking...
Also, I know this isn't the price discussion forums, but does anyone else feel like some of the eldrazi are going to go way up in price a few years down the road after their sets are out of print. Thought Knot feels like a $15-20 card to me, but may just be too niche due to colorless mana.
Totally now is the time to pick up all the staples. I think Cavern of Souls is at $50 to $60 right now and I can see it staying there for the most part. It's not used in a ton of decks but any deck that is pseudo-tribal is going to want as many as possible (especially if counterspell oriented control decks are around like they are now). I think currently they are in the "nice to have" list and only "required" if you are expecting a ton of control matchups (my meta is swarmed with them atm). Use Corrupted Crossroads if you don't have them.
I have all the pieces because I rebought the Eldrazi I sold out on back before the March Triple GP weekend. I picked them up the week the B&R update took effect so I got in fairly cheap because I agree, TKS and Smasher are going to be great going forward. We have one guy at my shop playing GBC as well. Essentially it's Jund but without Bob and the Red cards. Instead it runs Reshaper, TKS, Smasher. He has been doing pretty well because it turns out Liliana and Smasher are besties. What I am getting at is that these cards are extremely easy to fit into any given strategy by twisting the manabase with a few colorless sources. They are also decent->strong on a normal curve, strong->great on a slightly accelerated curve and great->busted on magic christmas curves.
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