Just because they said they are reprinting staples doesnt mean they will reprint the shock lands. That is an extremely vague statement that could range from any number of cards.
Modern is supposed to be the eternal format that doesnt price people out. Not reprinting shocklands at some defeats the whole purpose of the format. W/O shockland reprints the format will die people simply will not care about modern if the format is not affordable and if that happens shocklands go down to 5-10 cards again. Pretty much every outcome leads to shocklands not holding value, above the 10-20$ range.
Also hallowed fountain is down to as low as 25$ BIN on ebay... 5$ less then yesterday.
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I have no intention of playing Modern, but at one of our local stores (Card Kingdom), there has been some interest in holding an occasional tournament. The problem is no one has shocklands and the store is sold out. After some deliberation, the first unsanctioned tournament will allow the use of A/B/U/R original duals as proxies for shocklands, since the former is much more available.
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I have no intention of playing Modern, but at one of our local stores (Card Kingdom), there has been some interest in holding an occasional tournament. The problem is no one has shocklands and the store is sold out. After some deliberation, the first unsanctioned tournament will allow the use of A/B/U/R original duals as proxies for shocklands, since the former is much more available.
that sounds completely ridiculous. I sure wish there was someway to search the worlds vendors via some sort of inter networked system of tubes.
Lots available here too. Huh, they seem to cost a lot more though.
does Card Kingdom retail ABUR duals at an obscenely low cost?
As common stated, the prices are going down all over the place. There was an initial surge because modern became the flavor of the month, but it will balance out and people will stop QQing about how much lands are. Even Goyf has gone back down. You can find him in NM for 70 bucks again, unlike last week where he was 100 bucks a pop.
If WoTC really wanted to do something for the game's sake and not money's, they should just reprint all the powerhouses in purple border and make them tournament legal. Period. Anything besides that will only inevitably raise card prices. Creating a new Eternal format hoping that it'll stay affordable over time is just wishful thinking. WoTC is really pushing Modern at the moment, so I wouldn't be surprised if Modern eventually turned out to be more prohibitive to buy into than Legacy. At this point in time, the price of two shocklands is equal to one original dual land. If the saving grace of this format is that Modern cards *might* be reprinted sometime in the future, what kind of incentive is that versus a card guaranteed to be out of print for the rest of this game's lifetime? We're already seeing what this is doing to cards that in the Eternal community were and still are ignored (Vesuva is one of the first that comes to mind). Also think about all the new cards, legal in all Limited and Eternal environments, that will become staples. Now there's another reason to find that chase rare.
If anything another format creates more demand for the same cards, and this will drive prices up for cards that are already sought after, or cards that nobody could use before in competitive play. So it'll still be a question of whether you want to pay your rent, or play in that PTQ next weekend.
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Since these sets are designed a number of years before they're released I have no reason to believe modern staples will be reprinted and I don't understand why everyone else does either(other than manabases). New cards will be printed that could be just as good if not better than current staples.
I'm fortunate to have goyfs and bobs( had shocks too but sold em off cheap when they were rotating). It just seems that every player who started playing magic within the past two years wants every staple reprinted ASAP for them. Players who have been playing for a long time should have an advantage where older cards are concerned. I bet 2 years from now people will be begging for puresteel paladin to get reprinted. The whining in these threads are quite immature.
Since these sets are designed a number of years before they're released I have no reason to believe modern staples will be reprinted and I don't understand why everyone else does either(other than manabases). New cards will be printed that could be just as good if not better than current staples.
If the rumor is true that the next block is Ravnica, there's no reason to not believe they'd reprint them. They tend to reprint stuff when they revisit planes.
If the rumor is true that the next block is Ravnica, there's no reason to not believe they'd reprint them. They tend to reprint stuff when they revisit planes.
LOL. Like what? How many cards did they reprint from Mirrodin? Like 3 cards with Mindslaver being the only significant one. On what are you bassing your oppinion?
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LOL. Like what? How many cards did they reprint from Mirrodin? Like 3 cards with Mindslaver being the only significant one. On what are you bassing your oppinion?
Not everything is a direct reprint, sometimes they do reprints under new names with slight changes as part of story progression.
Stuff gets reprinted. It has occurred since the beginning of the game. That is what I'm basing my opinion on. There is no reason to doubt the possibility. Based on what they have done and said, more likely the probability.
I don't care if you ever reprint Shocklands, Bob, or, Goyf. But please reprint Vendilion Clique. The price tag he is commanding right now is effing absurd for what he does, his CMC, and his over all effect on the game in general. He is legendary for chris'sake.
Since these sets are designed a number of years before they're released I have no reason to believe modern staples will be reprinted and I don't understand why everyone else does either(other than manabases). New cards will be printed that could be just as good if not better than current staples.
This is misleading. It is true sets start being designed years in advance, however they are not finalized to just before they enter the first print run(which im guessing is about 3 months prior to the sets release) things are often changed, added, droped up until that point. If you look at another thing people complained recently the lack of enemy dual lands in standard. People really started complaining after m11 came out. A little over a year later WoTC prints Enemy duals in INN. About the same time frame from Modern becoming official and the return to ravnica block. Now as far as a Master edition type set. That could be rather far off 3-5 years,
I'm fortunate to have goyfs and bobs( had shocks too but sold em off cheap when they were rotating). It just seems that every player who started playing magic within the past two years wants every staple reprinted ASAP for them. Players who have been playing for a long time should have an advantage where older cards are concerned. I bet 2 years from now people will be begging for puresteel paladin to get reprinted. The whining in these threads are quite immature.
You might wanna re-read this thread. Very little whinning going for once... Pretty much just a hand full of people that understand most modern staples can and will be reprinted at some point. Saying calm down these prices are inflated and wont hold... which might i add has started to happen on ebay.
LOL. Like what? How many cards did they reprint from Mirrodin? Like 3 cards with Mindslaver being the only significant one. On what are you bassing your oppinion?
Mindslaver, Trinket mage, all 5 versions of silver myr, Leonin skyhunter. Also They finished or redid the following cycles Replicas, spellbombs, towers, Swords. That is just off the top of my head.
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I'm fortunate to have goyfs and bobs( had shocks too but sold em off cheap when they were rotating). It just seems that every player who started playing magic within the past two years wants every staple reprinted ASAP for them. Players who have been playing for a long time should have an advantage where older cards are concerned. I bet 2 years from now people will be begging for puresteel paladin to get reprinted. The whining in these threads are quite immature.
Sorry to burst your "fortunate bubble" these statements are classic of a player that didn't get on board legacy when it was affordable, and clinging to the notion their goyphs and bobs as if they were the next dual lands.
Unfortunatley for your perception, Modern card are being reprinted as confirmed by Aaron Forsythe, director of Magic R&D. He states Wizards will be reprinting Modern staples to keep the price of the format affordable.
Modern is supposed to be the eternal format that doesnt price people out. Not reprinting shocklands at some defeats the whole purpose of the format. W/O shockland reprints the format will die people simply will not care about modern if the format is not affordable and if that happens shocklands go down to 5-10 cards again. Pretty much every outcome leads to shocklands not holding value, above the 10-20$ range.
Also hallowed fountain is down to as low as 25$ BIN on ebay... 5$ less then yesterday.
The thing is if they reprint all the staple like bob, goyf, shocks, whatever whatever, then Modern will just become the last extend. All the good decks in standard will be all the good decks in Modern with a few added cards.
I mean I could be totally wrong here but it seems to make a little sense.
The thing is if they reprint all the staple like bob, goyf, shocks, whatever whatever, then Modern will just become the last extend. All the good decks in standard will be all the good decks in Modern with a few added cards.
I mean I could be totally wrong here but it seems to make a little sense.
Reprinting the cards or not doesn't change what decks will be the goods decks in any way shape or form. Its not like those cards are *currently* legal in modern. They are jsut expensive.
"Reprints" and "Reprints in standard legal sets" are 2 completely different things. There's plenty of other products that allow for reprints that won't be standard legal.
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"Reprints" and "Reprints in standard legal sets" are 2 completely different things. There's plenty of other products that allow for reprints that won't be standard legal.
Yea I understand that, but everyone on this forum is saying these things will get reprinted in the Blocks, and if they plan on reprinting the Shocks in like duel decks or things like that they will have to make so many of those in order to reprint all of them. I find it very unlikely they will put a one of each shocks in one of those things.
The easiest thing they can do to stabilize the secondary market (which WoTC doesn't care about anyway) is to fix up that stupid ban list. They neutered several viable decks and in the process narrowed down the power band to a handful of high tier competitive decks which will of course skyrocket demand for their respective card base, hence raising prices as well as the bar to entry.
Maybe if the general interest in the format declines enough because of initial costs, they might consider fixing up this mess. The huge spike in future sight prices is staggeringly unappealing to me and is really keeping me from entering the format. I dream of the days when you can build the absolute best deck for $200-300. Now that won't even get you a play-set of Goyfs, what a joke.
Combo players auctually have a selection of decks to play when has that ever happened in standard
hmmm, I wonder if it's because Modern has a card pool of 6300 cards while standard has about 1500 or so. It's pointless to compare this format to standard.
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I would be surprised if they didn't reprint Goyf and Dark Confidant as well as shocklands within the first year or two of the format. What's the point of banning Mental Misstep if no one can afford to play Zoo in the first place?
If I owned Goyf I would absolutely sell him now, his value will never be higher. He was always destined for a reprint anyway, he's future-shifted after all.
Goyf/Confidant will never be reprinted in standard legal sets because they would dominate standard (like mystic) and everyone will be clamoring for the ban hammer on them. They seem most likely to be reprinted in some ftv modern set or something with a larger print run.
And functional reprinting of goyf/confidant would mean you could play 8, which would be crazy.
And I think 300 dollars gets you every UR combo deck or the infect deck which are all at least tier two, with storm and ascension being tier one.
Goyf/Confidant will never be reprinted in standard legal sets because they would dominate standard (like mystic) and everyone will be clamoring for the ban hammer on them.
That's interesting, considering they were already in an entire standard and were never banned, or even up for consideration. I'm not saying they will be reprinted in standard, but what's your evidence that they will dominate, the fact that they are good in other formats? Spell Pierce and Nature's Claim see more play in vintage than Goyf.
There were 4 Goyf and 0 Dark confidant in the PT Top 8 for Modern, and that's a format where they are better than they would be/were in Standard.
He stated on GGsLive broadcast of GP Pitts that the next FTV would "be the nuts."
He did not say it would have Modern staples in it. What he did say was that he realizes the shock lands are being speculated and gouged and that "help is on the way."
Very cryptic, he could have been referring to a reprint of the Rav cycle or a completely new cycle or even just expecting us to use the Innistrad lands. Nothing was promised for sure except that the next FTV will not suck as bad as FTV: Legends.
He stated on GGsLive broadcast of GP Pitts that the next FTV would "be the nuts."
He did not say it would have Modern staples in it. What he did say was that he realizes the shock lands are being speculated and gouged and that "help is on the way."
Very cryptic, he could have been referring to a reprint of the Rav cycle or a completely new cycle or even just expecting us to use the Innistrad lands. Nothing was promised for sure except that the next FTV will not suck as bad as FTV: Legends.
It simply has to be Tarmo for online purposes. Everything else is reasonable, 20 tickets or less which is acceptable but tarmogoyf is 75$ and thats crazy. I don't see how they can push the format with one of the keystones being a $300 playset critter. Of course the broken combo decks are so fast right now its irrelevant.
If all cards were worthless or even worth very little, do you think you'd pay $12-$15 to draft? Considering that the prizes for winning drafts are normally either packs or store-credit? Which would probably be useless to you if you aren't willing to spend them on more packs/drafts.
I know this much is sure, no drafts = no Magic Online. Take it for whatever it means for paper magic.
But you say, oh, well then packs would just be cheaper, Yippee! Well, would store owners even want to carry a product that generates them very little income since they're so cheap? Drafts take a long time and take up lots of space. Would it even be worth it for store owners?
Expensive cards are a good thing, because it means the game is vibrant and growing. I mean, it's very hard to own a Ferrari b/c they're so expensive. So that means I probably will not own one in my life. Not necessarily the outcome that I want for myself, but it's a good thing for Ferrari. If Ferrari ever bowed down to my own selfish wants and built their cars for next to nothing, I don't think I'd even want one anymore. It'd probably be low-quality and built by poor-unskilled laborers in the developing world.
If WOTC ever just reprinted everything, I'm pretty sure that's the end of MTG. They couldn't come up with anything else, so they resorted to their last cash-grab. For them to just give way and prostitute the intellectual property they worked so hard to build for 15+ years through mass reprints, it'd be very disappointing.
A lot of people like drafting because it is a fun format regardless of the cards you get.
I personally think that WotC should make it so that no card in modern is above $20 average on the secondary market and no mana fixing land is above $10 but that is just me thinking that accessibility to a format makes it a healthier format.
Now foils, let those be hundreds of dollars for all I care.
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Modern is supposed to be the eternal format that doesnt price people out. Not reprinting shocklands at some defeats the whole purpose of the format. W/O shockland reprints the format will die people simply will not care about modern if the format is not affordable and if that happens shocklands go down to 5-10 cards again. Pretty much every outcome leads to shocklands not holding value, above the 10-20$ range.
Also hallowed fountain is down to as low as 25$ BIN on ebay... 5$ less then yesterday.
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Junk PodMagic: the Buylistingthat sounds completely ridiculous. I sure wish there was someway to search the worlds vendors via some sort of inter networked system of tubes.
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/magic_single_card.asp?cn=Breeding%20Pool
PLENTY available.
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/magic_single_card.asp?cn=Tropical%20Island&sn=Revised%20Edition
Lots available here too. Huh, they seem to cost a lot more though.
does Card Kingdom retail ABUR duals at an obscenely low cost?
As common stated, the prices are going down all over the place. There was an initial surge because modern became the flavor of the month, but it will balance out and people will stop QQing about how much lands are. Even Goyf has gone back down. You can find him in NM for 70 bucks again, unlike last week where he was 100 bucks a pop.
If anything another format creates more demand for the same cards, and this will drive prices up for cards that are already sought after, or cards that nobody could use before in competitive play. So it'll still be a question of whether you want to pay your rent, or play in that PTQ next weekend.
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I'm fortunate to have goyfs and bobs( had shocks too but sold em off cheap when they were rotating). It just seems that every player who started playing magic within the past two years wants every staple reprinted ASAP for them. Players who have been playing for a long time should have an advantage where older cards are concerned. I bet 2 years from now people will be begging for puresteel paladin to get reprinted. The whining in these threads are quite immature.
If the rumor is true that the next block is Ravnica, there's no reason to not believe they'd reprint them. They tend to reprint stuff when they revisit planes.
LOL. Like what? How many cards did they reprint from Mirrodin? Like 3 cards with Mindslaver being the only significant one. On what are you bassing your oppinion?
Not everything is a direct reprint, sometimes they do reprints under new names with slight changes as part of story progression.
Stuff gets reprinted. It has occurred since the beginning of the game. That is what I'm basing my opinion on. There is no reason to doubt the possibility. Based on what they have done and said, more likely the probability.
I don't care if you ever reprint Shocklands, Bob, or, Goyf. But please reprint Vendilion Clique. The price tag he is commanding right now is effing absurd for what he does, his CMC, and his over all effect on the game in general. He is legendary for chris'sake.
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This is misleading. It is true sets start being designed years in advance, however they are not finalized to just before they enter the first print run(which im guessing is about 3 months prior to the sets release) things are often changed, added, droped up until that point. If you look at another thing people complained recently the lack of enemy dual lands in standard. People really started complaining after m11 came out. A little over a year later WoTC prints Enemy duals in INN. About the same time frame from Modern becoming official and the return to ravnica block. Now as far as a Master edition type set. That could be rather far off 3-5 years,
You might wanna re-read this thread. Very little whinning going for once... Pretty much just a hand full of people that understand most modern staples can and will be reprinted at some point. Saying calm down these prices are inflated and wont hold... which might i add has started to happen on ebay.
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Mindslaver, Trinket mage, all 5 versions of silver myr, Leonin skyhunter. Also They finished or redid the following cycles Replicas, spellbombs, towers, Swords. That is just off the top of my head.
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Calling someone a Commie is flaming and must be stopped, but turning the word Conservative into a loaded pejorative and using it over and over again is perfectly acceptable.
Sorry to burst your "fortunate bubble" these statements are classic of a player that didn't get on board legacy when it was affordable, and clinging to the notion their goyphs and bobs as if they were the next dual lands.
Unfortunatley for your perception, Modern card are being reprinted as confirmed by Aaron Forsythe, director of Magic R&D. He states Wizards will be reprinting Modern staples to keep the price of the format affordable.
The thing is if they reprint all the staple like bob, goyf, shocks, whatever whatever, then Modern will just become the last extend. All the good decks in standard will be all the good decks in Modern with a few added cards.
I mean I could be totally wrong here but it seems to make a little sense.
Reprinting the cards or not doesn't change what decks will be the goods decks in any way shape or form. Its not like those cards are *currently* legal in modern. They are jsut expensive.
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Yea I understand that, but everyone on this forum is saying these things will get reprinted in the Blocks, and if they plan on reprinting the Shocks in like duel decks or things like that they will have to make so many of those in order to reprint all of them. I find it very unlikely they will put a one of each shocks in one of those things.
Maybe if the general interest in the format declines enough because of initial costs, they might consider fixing up this mess. The huge spike in future sight prices is staggeringly unappealing to me and is really keeping me from entering the format. I dream of the days when you can build the absolute best deck for $200-300. Now that won't even get you a play-set of Goyfs, what a joke.
hmmm, I wonder if it's because Modern has a card pool of 6300 cards while standard has about 1500 or so. It's pointless to compare this format to standard.
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If I owned Goyf I would absolutely sell him now, his value will never be higher. He was always destined for a reprint anyway, he's future-shifted after all.
And functional reprinting of goyf/confidant would mean you could play 8, which would be crazy.
And I think 300 dollars gets you every UR combo deck or the infect deck which are all at least tier two, with storm and ascension being tier one.
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That's interesting, considering they were already in an entire standard and were never banned, or even up for consideration. I'm not saying they will be reprinted in standard, but what's your evidence that they will dominate, the fact that they are good in other formats? Spell Pierce and Nature's Claim see more play in vintage than Goyf.
There were 4 Goyf and 0 Dark confidant in the PT Top 8 for Modern, and that's a format where they are better than they would be/were in Standard.
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He stated on GGsLive broadcast of GP Pitts that the next FTV would "be the nuts."
He did not say it would have Modern staples in it. What he did say was that he realizes the shock lands are being speculated and gouged and that "help is on the way."
Very cryptic, he could have been referring to a reprint of the Rav cycle or a completely new cycle or even just expecting us to use the Innistrad lands. Nothing was promised for sure except that the next FTV will not suck as bad as FTV: Legends.
It simply has to be Tarmo for online purposes. Everything else is reasonable, 20 tickets or less which is acceptable but tarmogoyf is 75$ and thats crazy. I don't see how they can push the format with one of the keystones being a $300 playset critter. Of course the broken combo decks are so fast right now its irrelevant.
I know this much is sure, no drafts = no Magic Online. Take it for whatever it means for paper magic.
But you say, oh, well then packs would just be cheaper, Yippee! Well, would store owners even want to carry a product that generates them very little income since they're so cheap? Drafts take a long time and take up lots of space. Would it even be worth it for store owners?
Expensive cards are a good thing, because it means the game is vibrant and growing. I mean, it's very hard to own a Ferrari b/c they're so expensive. So that means I probably will not own one in my life. Not necessarily the outcome that I want for myself, but it's a good thing for Ferrari. If Ferrari ever bowed down to my own selfish wants and built their cars for next to nothing, I don't think I'd even want one anymore. It'd probably be low-quality and built by poor-unskilled laborers in the developing world.
If WOTC ever just reprinted everything, I'm pretty sure that's the end of MTG. They couldn't come up with anything else, so they resorted to their last cash-grab. For them to just give way and prostitute the intellectual property they worked so hard to build for 15+ years through mass reprints, it'd be very disappointing.
I personally think that WotC should make it so that no card in modern is above $20 average on the secondary market and no mana fixing land is above $10 but that is just me thinking that accessibility to a format makes it a healthier format.
Now foils, let those be hundreds of dollars for all I care.