I'm curious as to what red adds to 12post. I hope they deck tech him.
Based on the event coverage from the Wizards website, it looks like Red added Through the Breach as an alternate and faster win condition for the Twelvepost engine. Given that the deck consistently can cast Breach on turn 3, this seems like an awesome addition.
Also, a LOT of Terastodon is around for the Twelvepost mirror matchup. Definitely a strong play if you are on the draw in the mirror and need to regain some tempo, or on the play to shut down the opponent's mana base.
I like trickbind as it's uncounterable as well as able to be useful in other matchups: the round 2 coverage up at wizards talks about cracking 2 scalding tarns at once: trickbind really messes with that, if I remember wording correctly.
Teachings decks would run a lot smoother against all these UR decks if they pack one Mind Break trap. It has been a good matchup for me on MODO because with 2 teachings, I have 3 answers. All I have to do is slow them down until I get them.
I'm going to lay my head on the block and claim this early: If they don't follow up with *massive* bannings or print FoW (or some kind of equivalent), Modern will not take off as a format after this tournament.
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Suggests LSV is playing Zoo?
What's Conley playing? He's also 4-0.
That was a weird post by LSV, because earlier he wrote: I splintered twin in three close games, making me 2-0 at #MWPhi. Plus, I thought that I saw a few other tweets suggesting he was playing Twin. I might be wrong, but I think a few other people have confirmed this on twitter.
I'm going to lay my head on the block and claim this early: If they don't follow up with *massive* bannings or print FoW (or some kind of equivalent), Modern will not take off as a format after this tournament.
To be honest, I think that this is unlikely. The vast majority of these combos fold against well-tuned control decks, but the problem is that there was no reason to tune a control deck against an unknown metagame. Now, there is a good foundation for control players to build up from. Teachings and Gifts give you outrageously powerful, reactive answers to the combo decks in this format, whether Slaughter Pact to deal with Twin, Mindbreak Trap to deal with Storm/Elves, or even Pact of Negation for some immediate countermagic. Plus, with access to Duress, Thoughtseize, and Inquisition of Kozilek, not to mention Spell Pierce and even the sleeper Disrupting Shoal, control players have a lot of tools at their disposal.
If combo takes off and Zoo goes away, Gifts decks are waiting to pounce on the format. As it stands, against a slower local meta-game you are basically immune to combo and control with the right Gifts piles.
Online Zoo decks still put up some results after reajusting their lists. As are Affinity.
If anything needs to be banned it's either Emrakul or cloudpost so control decks could play also. Or some blue cards unbanned, dunno. Format entirely without control feels awkward.
That was a weird post by LSV, because earlier he wrote: I splintered twin in three close games, making me 2-0 at #MWPhi. Plus, I thought that I saw a few other tweets suggesting he was playing Twin. I might be wrong, but I think a few other people have confirmed this on twitter.
I think Amulet of Vigor might be the proper card to ban in Twelvepost, if we're going to think about making it a fair deck that can still compete. Especially with two in play, the mana production becomes obscene.
I think Amulet of Vigor might be the proper card to ban in Twelvepost, if we're going to think about making it a fair deck that can still compete. Especially with two in play, the mana production becomes obscene.
TBQH it isn't even really good. Most list won't run it unless they think it gives them a chance vs faster combo decks. Glimmerpost needs to get banned.
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That was a weird post by LSV, because earlier he wrote: I splintered twin in three close games, making me 2-0 at #MWPhi. Plus, I thought that I saw a few other tweets suggesting he was playing Twin. I might be wrong, but I think a few other people have confirmed this on twitter.
He could be saying that he "splintered" a Twin deck by smashing it with Zoo.
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I think Amulet of Vigor might be the proper card to ban in Twelvepost, if we're going to think about making it a fair deck that can still compete. Especially with two in play, the mana production becomes obscene.
Um, I've never even seen this card used in any list, let alone the best ones.
Also, Podcast is now up. It is not a live stream, but it has a lot of good interviews with players. Lots of insight into the metagame at Philly. Here is the link, and I advise everyone to listen in, as it is the best thing we are going to get to coverage. Props to Wizards for posting this up after the Twitter rage about the lack of live coverage. http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/podcast/41
NOTE: This is NOT A LIVE STREAM. This is archived podcast footage from throughout the day. But it still has a lot of cool tidbits of information.
That was a weird post by LSV, because earlier he wrote: I splintered twin in three close games, making me 2-0 at #MWPhi. Plus, I thought that I saw a few other tweets suggesting he was playing Twin. I might be wrong, but I think a few other people have confirmed this on twitter.
That tweet could have been an LSV pun, meaning that he beat twin.
I'm going to lay my head on the block and claim this early: If they don't follow up with *massive* bannings or print FoW (or some kind of equivalent), Modern will not take off as a format after this tournament.
All they have to do is unban faeries. These decks fold to a U/B agro-control deck with the kind of resiliency and synergy Fae has.
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According to his Twitter, Patrick Chapin wishes he'd played control. I find this interesting given the "control sucks in Modern" attitude that seems to be prevalent.
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Um, I've never even seen this card used in any list, let alone the best ones.
Then perhaps I should clarify by saying that I've only played against two different decks running twelvepost, and got smashed on by the one running Amulet courtesy of turn 1 Amulet, turn 2 Amulet both games. Perhaps I'm a bit jaded. Consider my comment rescinded.
Control players are so sickening. Their answer to any format is just to piss and moan if control is not tier 1 all the time. No one goes bananas when combo or aggro are on the downside of things, but the world is crumbling if you can't draw/island/go.
Not surprisingly mono G post is the worst deck in the format. Boggemes posted and article about it and has 0-4'ed. When the dust clears you can be sure that one card will be standing tall, and thats tarmo. Zoo is CLEARLY the best deck in the format. Not flashy, not exciting, just brutally consistent and powerful. I'm not seeing ANYONE playing burn decks to punish the life loss from shocklands so without that holding them in check and with some tweeks (such as playing the all mighty and godly Knight of the Reliquary) the deck is a monster.
12 Post used to thrash it into submission until they started Running KOTR fetching ghost quarters and tec edges. Suprised to not see Jund making any noise as its nasty with thoughtseize and Bob in it.
To the earlier poster who talked about MBC, theres another deck that just beats the holy hell out of 12 post variants. Turn one discard spell, turn two critter that forces you to discard again, Toss in Bob and you can just crush many of the decks in this format. Discard is INCREDIBLY well positioned right now, at least online.
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I'm curious as to what red adds to 12post. I hope they deck tech him.
Firespout and Banefire out of the sideboard I presume.
Based on the event coverage from the Wizards website, it looks like Red added Through the Breach as an alternate and faster win condition for the Twelvepost engine. Given that the deck consistently can cast Breach on turn 3, this seems like an awesome addition.
Also, a LOT of Terastodon is around for the Twelvepost mirror matchup. Definitely a strong play if you are on the draw in the mirror and need to regain some tempo, or on the play to shut down the opponent's mana base.
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Suggests LSV is playing Zoo?
What's Conley playing? He's also 4-0.
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That was a weird post by LSV, because earlier he wrote: I splintered twin in three close games, making me 2-0 at #MWPhi. Plus, I thought that I saw a few other tweets suggesting he was playing Twin. I might be wrong, but I think a few other people have confirmed this on twitter.
To be honest, I think that this is unlikely. The vast majority of these combos fold against well-tuned control decks, but the problem is that there was no reason to tune a control deck against an unknown metagame. Now, there is a good foundation for control players to build up from. Teachings and Gifts give you outrageously powerful, reactive answers to the combo decks in this format, whether Slaughter Pact to deal with Twin, Mindbreak Trap to deal with Storm/Elves, or even Pact of Negation for some immediate countermagic. Plus, with access to Duress, Thoughtseize, and Inquisition of Kozilek, not to mention Spell Pierce and even the sleeper Disrupting Shoal, control players have a lot of tools at their disposal.
Have faith!
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If anything needs to be banned it's either Emrakul or cloudpost so control decks could play also. Or some blue cards unbanned, dunno. Format entirely without control feels awkward.
He may be playing something like Sower of Temptation or Threads of Disloyalty out of the side.
MBC (ugh) might do well here too: so much hand disruption.
TBQH it isn't even really good. Most list won't run it unless they think it gives them a chance vs faster combo decks. Glimmerpost needs to get banned.
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He could be saying that he "splintered" a Twin deck by smashing it with Zoo.
Um, I've never even seen this card used in any list, let alone the best ones.
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UPDATES TO THE STANDINGS AS OF ROUND 5. SOME NEW DECKS ADDED.
PLAYER - DECK: ROUND 3 STANDING
Cedric Phillips – Infect Shoal: 3-1
Patrick Chapin – Twin: 1-3
Luis Scott Vargas – Zoo: 4-0
Martin Juza – Infect Shoal: 2-2
David Sharfman – BG Deathcloud: 3-1
Robert Van Medevoort – Ascension: 3-1
Todd Anderson – Twelvepost: 2-2
Nassif – UBW Tezzeret: 2-2
Timothy Thomason – Hive Mind: 3-1
Adam Yurchick – RG Twelvepost: 3-1
Kyle Boggemes – Mono G Twelvepost: 1-3
Brad Nelson – Zoo: 3-1
Pat Cox – Zoo: 3-1
Christian Valenti – RG Twelvepost: 3-1
Brian Eason – Mono G Twelvepost: 0-4
Ferrari Spampinato – Twin: 2-2
Eetu Perttula – Ascension: 0-4
Johannes Lochert – UG ScapePost: 3-1
Stephen Murray – Twin: 0-4
Florian Pils – Affinity: 1-3
Pierre Dagen – Elves Combo: 1-3
Christopher Bennett – Hive Mind: 2-2
Daniel Grafensteiner – Affinity: 2-2
Frank Karsten - UR Gifts Ascension Combo: 2-2
Gaudenis Vidugiris - Grapeshot Swath: 2-2
David Williams – Twelvepost: 3-1
Ari Lax – Zoo: 2-2
Erik Landriz – Twin: 2-2
Kevin Chiche – Elves: 2-2
Christian Calcano – Elves: 1-3
Gregory Cassini - Twin: 1-3
Cedric Marlet - Jund: 1-3
Conley Woods - Pyromancer's Swath: 4-0
Matthew Nass - Pyromancer's Swath: 3-1
Also, Podcast is now up. It is not a live stream, but it has a lot of good interviews with players. Lots of insight into the metagame at Philly. Here is the link, and I advise everyone to listen in, as it is the best thing we are going to get to coverage. Props to Wizards for posting this up after the Twitter rage about the lack of live coverage.
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/podcast/41
NOTE: This is NOT A LIVE STREAM. This is archived podcast footage from throughout the day. But it still has a lot of cool tidbits of information.
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That tweet could have been an LSV pun, meaning that he beat twin.
All they have to do is unban faeries. These decks fold to a U/B agro-control deck with the kind of resiliency and synergy Fae has.
Then perhaps I should clarify by saying that I've only played against two different decks running twelvepost, and got smashed on by the one running Amulet courtesy of turn 1 Amulet, turn 2 Amulet both games. Perhaps I'm a bit jaded. Consider my comment rescinded.
Not surprisingly mono G post is the worst deck in the format. Boggemes posted and article about it and has 0-4'ed. When the dust clears you can be sure that one card will be standing tall, and thats tarmo. Zoo is CLEARLY the best deck in the format. Not flashy, not exciting, just brutally consistent and powerful. I'm not seeing ANYONE playing burn decks to punish the life loss from shocklands so without that holding them in check and with some tweeks (such as playing the all mighty and godly Knight of the Reliquary) the deck is a monster.
12 Post used to thrash it into submission until they started Running KOTR fetching ghost quarters and tec edges. Suprised to not see Jund making any noise as its nasty with thoughtseize and Bob in it.
To the earlier poster who talked about MBC, theres another deck that just beats the holy hell out of 12 post variants. Turn one discard spell, turn two critter that forces you to discard again, Toss in Bob and you can just crush many of the decks in this format. Discard is INCREDIBLY well positioned right now, at least online.