Indeed sir. At least Wizards did their research first. The reasons given for the bans made pretty good sense, and the only thing that left me scratching my head was Ancestral being banned when I thought of that as a major component of Dragonstorm instead of banning something like Lotus instead. I am indeed looking forward to the future of the format and think Wizards did a good job with the list.
Research? Imagine if SFM, JTMS, and FoW were banned in Legacy...because they were warping Extended when they were there. Hypergen, Elves, and sort of SFM were the only ones justified by Modern.
I'd still place SFM in the "should be legal" category, but of all the stupid bans, I'd say it was the least stupid.
QFT.
@Glamis: this is different from M10 rules change. They just banned several of the major decks, leaving only Zoo and 12post (and maybe Jund) to compete- with most of the cards being unjustified. The list will probably see a dozen or so revisions in a few months imo.
That's really backwards. Extended is nowhere near the power level of Legacy.
Isn't it? The bans feel stupid and arbitrary, and hurt Legacy if anything.
More or less what happened to Modern.
I can barely get on board with SFM- but I can live with it. 90% of the list is A.) Not format warping B.) Vulnerable to hate or C.) Just not as good as they think (*cough* valakut *cough* bitterblossom *cough* JTMS *cough*)
Standard:None
Modern:Taxes, Jund, U/W Control | In the works:5c Gifts
Legacy: Main deck = DDFT/Storm Decks - Almost everything
Vintage: Bomberman, Dredge, Shops, Oath, Gush DD
EDH: German Foil Horde 50%, Animar, Iname DA,Patron of the Moon, Karador + more
This list is very unlikely to be final. I really think Wizards is still in the phase of feeling things out. There will probably be more changes after the PT.
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You dont understand, How much I love you right now D:
The changes were well needed - And I guess they just don't like Blue having answers to EVERYTHING...
Hooray for the format looking like....
-12 Post (All Colors)
-Zoo
-Aggro Bant
Sounds fun right?
lol Jund>bant.
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I think the power of the swords alone makes Steelshaper's Gift playable in some decks to pick up the slack where the shadow of Stoneforge Mystic exists (Mental Misstep is my biggest issue though personally). But this is just my theorycrafting, although it is hard to determine whether or not hardcasting a sword would be a mighty tempo-setback. I believe this should be visited when a gauntlet of decks that is to become the format is stabilized first though. For blue players we still have thirst for knowledge and academy ruins not to mention cryptic command. I dont think this is terribad, but its going to be Zoo Boros RDW Bant and Jund for a short while I believe
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Decks I have in my bag of tricks- Needless to say, someone who wants to play will probably have a deck UB/x Faeries UR Storm XURWB Affinity G Elves UW control
Got to love the ridiculous exaggerated reactionary bull**** that comes after every single change wizards makes to the game.
QFT. I love that everybody's freaking out because "oh god we don't know what the best decks of the format are D:"
1) Build what you think is the best deck. The format's just starting out, it shouldn't be predictable already.
2) They can unban cards.
3) Wtf is Ancestral Vision & Mental Misstep doing on there?
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QFT. I love that everybody's freaking out because "oh god we don't know what the best decks of the format are D:"
1) Build what you think is the best deck. The format's just starting out, it shouldn't be predictable already.
2) They can unban cards.
3) Wtf is Ancestral Vision & Mental Misstep doing on there?
Actually, we're flipping out because we know damn well what the best decks in the format are, they've been that good, and went untouched.
1.) See above.
2.) Hope//Pray
3.) See: Everyone's reaction.
If they are going to weaken/nix every deck that was competitive then they missed 3.
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I hardly believe it will be that bad. You guys just need to take a nap or something and think things over in the morning.
And even if that does turn out to be true, Wizards won't let the format stay like that.
Second, we can always unban cards in the future. In Vintage and Legacy, over time we have been continually picking away at the respective restricted and banned lists, and both are at historical lows in terms of the percentage of the card pool that is banned or restricted. As we get more information, we will change the Modern banned list over time. We may have overbanned here, and if we did, we have plenty of time to go back and fix that.
I've said it a thousand times: they're still tweaking the list. This isn't final.
I hardly believe it will be that bad. You guys just need to take a nap or something and think things over in the morning.
And even if that does turn out to be true, Wizards won't let the format stay like that.
I've said it a thousand times: they're still tweaking the list. This isn't final.
CALM DOWN.
well this isn't just about this bro. wotc fails and fails and fails and several of us are really thread bare about it. Oh, and the first 2-3 months of the format will make it or break it. Thus a good reason to be worried.
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Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
If WotC "fails and fails and fails" then you should just quit Magic. I don't see why you should play a game that is apparently so horrifically broken and imbalanced.
Anyway, those first few months have been very successful, actually. This is a minor change that will be mostly reversed come PT Philly. I'm sure the Legacy fluctuated similarly back when it began.
Wizards of the Coast, everytime I think you do something right, you never cease to let me down.
How about you let the ****ing format exist for a little while before you go banning cards because they are/were good in Legacy/Standard. If they did any testing at all, they'd realize that Faeries itself is actually pretty weak without Jitte, and that the Jace decks already get curbstomped by zoo. I'm still not sure why Vision and Misstep are banned; did somebody lose a bet?
What really agrivates me though is that Bloodbraid Elf, Tarmogyf, Dark Confidant, Elspeth, and BLightning are as good as; if not better than Jace, Ancestral, Misstep, and Bitterblossom, yet they remain unbanned because they're uninteractive and turn sideways.
Ug, Wizards of the Coast, you have truly let me down
If WotC "fails and fails and fails" then you should just quit Magic. I don't see why you should play a game that is apparently so horrifically broken and imbalanced.
Anyway, those first few months have been very successful, actually. This is a minor change that will be mostly reversed come PT Philly. I'm sure the Legacy fluctuated similarly back when it began.
i won't have nothing to b!tch about any more. Just kidding I could always just complain about my life in general....I miss magic back when timespiral came out. That standard was the perfect format.
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Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
If WotC "fails and fails and fails" then you should just quit Magic. I don't see why you should play a game that is apparently so horrifically broken and imbalanced.
But the game is more balanced than ever before, every game is a mirror match.
I wonder why they held a community cup to show the diversity of the format, then banned anything diverse.
i won't have nothing to b!tch about any more. Just kidding I could always just complain about my life in general....I miss magic back when timespiral came out. That standard was the perfect format.
I've never seen a perfect Standard. Guess which block I started in?
I've never seen a perfect Standard. Guess which block I started in?
well, any block after timespiral, but your loathing of a certain SFM would imply ZEN.
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If WotC "fails and fails and fails" then you should just quit Magic. I don't see why you should play a game that is apparently so horrifically broken and imbalanced.
Anyway, those first few months have been very successful, actually. This is a minor change that will be mostly reversed come PT Philly. I'm sure the Legacy fluctuated similarly back when it began.
1.) Modern was the reason I didn't quit competitive Magic. The format was fun, and still has potential to stay fun. But I'm worried that this massive wave of bannings says that WotC isn't taking it seriously.
2.) VERY successful, yes. And I expect 90% of the Banned list to be repealed when they remember that the vast majority of Legacy hate for the banned decks is also modern legal, with the exception of Hypergen and Elves!.
Honestly, I'm just worried the format will flounder while they try to assemble a competent B/R list.
Honestly, I'm just worried the format will flounder while they try to assemble a competent B/R list.
Me 2. I don't care if the format is messed up for a while, but most Spikes will. No spikes not tournaments, not tournaments no me.
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Research? Imagine if SFM, JTMS, and FoW were banned in Legacy...because they were warping Extended when they were there. Hypergen, Elves, and sort of SFM were the only ones justified by Modern.
QFT.
@Glamis: this is different from M10 rules change. They just banned several of the major decks, leaving only Zoo and 12post (and maybe Jund) to compete- with most of the cards being unjustified. The list will probably see a dozen or so revisions in a few months imo.
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Isn't it? The bans feel stupid and arbitrary, and hurt Legacy if anything.
More or less what happened to Modern.
I can barely get on board with SFM- but I can live with it. 90% of the list is A.) Not format warping B.) Vulnerable to hate or C.) Just not as good as they think (*cough* valakut *cough* bitterblossom *cough* JTMS *cough*)
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You dont understand, How much I love you right now D:
The changes were well needed - And I guess they just don't like Blue having answers to EVERYTHING...
Hooray for the format looking like....
-12 Post (All Colors)
-Zoo
-Aggro Bant
Sounds fun right?
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Decks:
EDH
Malestrom Wanderer Group Chaotic Hugs
Tasigur, The Golden Fang Valu-Town
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Too many to List...
Legacy
GWBNic-Fit PodGWB
G12-Post (Building)G
Standard:None
Modern:Taxes, Jund, U/W Control | In the works:5c Gifts
Legacy: Main deck = DDFT/Storm Decks - Almost everything
Vintage: Bomberman, Dredge, Shops, Oath, Gush DD
EDH: German Foil Horde 50%, Animar, Iname DA,Patron of the Moon, Karador + more
This list is very unlikely to be final. I really think Wizards is still in the phase of feeling things out. There will probably be more changes after the PT.
Xeno: Lol, yes, I was so excited to be rid of her. But I think I'll try not to talk about her anymore. I don't want to be single myself out like that again.
lol Jund>bant.
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UB/x Faeries
UR Storm
XURWB Affinity
G Elves
UW control
As if their omnipotent banning that no one other than they could possibly see happen is responsible for SCG Open single handedly saving their format.
Brilliant! Format Growth...
Isn't a thing!
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QFT. I love that everybody's freaking out because "oh god we don't know what the best decks of the format are D:"
1) Build what you think is the best deck. The format's just starting out, it shouldn't be predictable already.
2) They can unban cards.
3) Wtf is Ancestral Vision & Mental Misstep doing on there?
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Actually, we're flipping out because we know damn well what the best decks in the format are, they've been that good, and went untouched.
1.) See above.
2.) Hope//Pray
3.) See: Everyone's reaction.
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But true.
If they are going to weaken/nix every deck that was competitive then they missed 3.
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And even if that does turn out to be true, Wizards won't let the format stay like that.
I've said it a thousand times: they're still tweaking the list. This isn't final.
CALM DOWN.
well this isn't just about this bro. wotc fails and fails and fails and several of us are really thread bare about it. Oh, and the first 2-3 months of the format will make it or break it. Thus a good reason to be worried.
Albert Einstein
Thomas Jefferson
Anyway, those first few months have been very successful, actually. This is a minor change that will be mostly reversed come PT Philly. I'm sure the Legacy fluctuated similarly back when it began.
How about you let the ****ing format exist for a little while before you go banning cards because they are/were good in Legacy/Standard. If they did any testing at all, they'd realize that Faeries itself is actually pretty weak without Jitte, and that the Jace decks already get curbstomped by zoo. I'm still not sure why Vision and Misstep are banned; did somebody lose a bet?
What really agrivates me though is that Bloodbraid Elf, Tarmogyf, Dark Confidant, Elspeth, and BLightning are as good as; if not better than Jace, Ancestral, Misstep, and Bitterblossom, yet they remain unbanned because they're uninteractive and turn sideways.
Ug, Wizards of the Coast, you have truly let me down
i won't have nothing to b!tch about any more. Just kidding I could always just complain about my life in general....I miss magic back when timespiral came out. That standard was the perfect format.
Albert Einstein
Thomas Jefferson
But the game is more balanced than ever before, every game is a mirror match.
I wonder why they held a community cup to show the diversity of the format, then banned anything diverse.
I've never seen a perfect Standard. Guess which block I started in?
well, any block after timespiral, but your loathing of a certain SFM would imply ZEN.
Albert Einstein
Thomas Jefferson
1.) Modern was the reason I didn't quit competitive Magic. The format was fun, and still has potential to stay fun. But I'm worried that this massive wave of bannings says that WotC isn't taking it seriously.
2.) VERY successful, yes. And I expect 90% of the Banned list to be repealed when they remember that the vast majority of Legacy hate for the banned decks is also modern legal, with the exception of Hypergen and Elves!.
Honestly, I'm just worried the format will flounder while they try to assemble a competent B/R list.
Join the Poetry Running Contest!
Me 2. I don't care if the format is messed up for a while, but most Spikes will. No spikes not tournaments, not tournaments no me.
Albert Einstein
Thomas Jefferson