Seething Song is a very, very odd choice. It's by no means the most powerful card in Storm, nor is that deck dominating the format... maybe they're just tired of complaints about it and wanted to thin out players of it? If so, that's a very odd way to work the banned list.
BBE makes sense, though it doubt it just makes Jund go away. It's a deck based on easy value; they will find other ways to capitalize and stay competitive. Deathrite Shaman is still degenerate, and not having to worry about cards being a bad cascade anymore just means Jund gets to lower its curve.
Note that it doesn't mention the fact that it's probably the cheapest modern deck to build online which increases the number of grinders playing it.
What does that have to do with my post? I said nothing about whether Storm was Tier 1, Tier 2, or anything else. I just explained why they would ban Seething Song rather than a Storm card.
So instead of banning Electromancer which sped the deck up to turn 3 consistancy with decent hands they banned seething song that holds the deck together.
It was keying off BBE because it had to match Jund to compete. With BBE out of the format, I believe Huntmaster will do fine filling the void.
Without BBE in the format, its going to open up a few other decks.
As for the Seething Song ban, there are still many ways to generate free mana. Deck builders are just going to have to test and be creative.
I think its odd to ban a $2 uncommon and make people replace it with a $20 mythic.
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What does that have to do with my post? I said nothing about whether Storm was Tier 1, Tier 2, or anything else. I just explained why they would ban Seething Song rather than a Storm card.
So you think that people still want to take the deck to a PTQ even though it has a much less chance of winning? To me it's the same thing.
I guess if you were going to play it next weekend you might not have time to get a new deck. WotC seems to still think the deck is capable so I suppose they are in your camp.
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Storm wasn't dominating the format, but it HAD a decent number of T3 kills. I didn't play with the deck all too much, but if undisrupted (!) T3 was pretty regular.
Of course you have to expect to get disruptet at least G2/G3...
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Keep in mind that much of the disruption came from Jund discard. Now that BBE is banned Jund will be played less so maybe the Seething Song was a preemptive ban to prevent Storm from spinning out of control.
if they ban v-clique, i swear to god i will quit this game.
geist is the logical choice "its a representation of uninteractivity. despite the fact that it puts TWO swinging creatures into play during creature combat (which is undoubtedly the best part of magic), which makes us happy. we feel there are not enough answers for its hexproof ability."
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Why? Because if WotC was actually true to their notion of pushing modern they would have realized that getting rid of the newer mistakes (DRS) rather than going after older ones that already had a deck (BBE) was a better route. DRS was the thing that made Jund ridiculous recently. Hasty, moronic decision from them.
Now to the real issue why WotC failed (and if they continue down this path, will compromise the format's popularity to rival new extended). At the very least two things were solidified from this:
1. Modern is an unstable format, where people who invest in it hope that their deck doesn't do too well or else it's on the chopping block.
2. Even if a ban is not necessarily warranted for a card, they will do it to please their agenda. (Though we knew this one to an extent beforehand, this only reinforces it)
I'm a twin/tron/burn player. Neither of these cards affect my decks but I'm afraid that there's the potential that these decks will certainly get hit soon as wotc continues their assault on top tier decks.
I'm going to give it time to sink in, but I feel divestment from modern is inevitable for me.
Through the Breach decks are basically gone now (and not missed). A few of them were cropping up in MTGO lately.
Buh bye!
I miss them, but they could go off T3 too. Farewell Griselbrand, we hardly knew ye.
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I would've laughed at this post and dismissed it as being ridiculous last week. Seeing how Wizards handled the ban list this time around makes me see this post in a different light.
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And I prefer that much better than swing, draw elf, play elf, WOOOO LOTTERY TIME FREE SPELLS WOOOO, swing.
want something better than 1 for 1? Play forked bolt. Cascade is a stupid mechanic, and to say a format is bad because not having free spells being cast makes the game too simplistic is quite poor reasoning.
Also, belongs in the banned list discussion thread.
Keep in mind that much of the disruption came from Jund discard. Now that BBE is banned Jund will be played less so maybe the Seething Song was a preemptive ban to prevent Storm from spinning out of control.
They didn't slow storm down they killed the deck. Without song it's so much slower and less consistent than eggs twin pod even infect.
Huntmaster isn't even in the same district as BBE in regards to functionality.
Moronic choice, DRS is the obviously broken card but i guess it's best for them to cut down on the uncommon they aren't getting money off than to ban a money rare from their latest set.
I really dislike this ban. I really feel they went the wrong way about it.
All they have to do to nerf storm is make control stronger. And if control were stronger, maybe less people would play Jund, and they wouldn't have to ban anything out of either deck, yet make control a more appealing archetype in modern. Banning of seething song makes tron and scapeshift the only viable combo decks left, and they're entirely land based which few decks have interaction with. Eggs is the only exception.
This format is quickly becoming to aggro. Burn is going to be played heavily in this next season, and Jund really doesn't even get nerfed much from BBE banning.
hrmmm, i think the ban of bloodbraid elf was totally legitimate.
Jund held ~ 20% of the metagame and ~30% of top8 placings, this is a clear indicator of a deck that has become too powerful.
banning bloodbraid elf is the most elegant solution to nerfing jund. Its banning does not particularly disrupt the deck, as it will continue to be a force to be reckoned with, and affects other aggro variants minimally
its banning also allows other aggro variants like Zoo, Junk, Maverick, and Bant to compete more effectively.
furthermore, bloodbraid elf is a cheap card, so players won't be crying to much in the financial way.
seething song... i am confused about?
the best i can come up with is that they realized that storm was 2nd behind jund, and feared that without a pre-emptive nerf, it would come to be, if not as dominant as jund, the top deck in the format. I feel like they dislike the idea of a "non-interactive" combo deck becoming the dominant force in the meta, and so nerfed it.
however, even if this was the case, the proper card to ban is Goblin electromancer, not seething song.... seething song is almost necessary to run the deck....
in addition, with jund weaker, control decks are better able (devote more cards) to fight storm anyway :l, it probably wouldnt even have become "best deck", though it would certainly have been top tier.
wizards needs to realize that the power of this format will only grow, rigidly adhering to a "4 turn" rule is as bad as trying to keep the reserve list
BBE makes sense, though it doubt it just makes Jund go away. It's a deck based on easy value; they will find other ways to capitalize and stay competitive. Deathrite Shaman is still degenerate, and not having to worry about cards being a bad cascade anymore just means Jund gets to lower its curve.
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It was keying off BBE because it had to match Jund to compete. With BBE out of the format, I believe Huntmaster will do fine filling the void.
Without BBE in the format, its going to open up a few other decks.
As for the Seething Song ban, there are still many ways to generate free mana. Deck builders are just going to have to test and be creative.
Buh bye!
I think its odd to ban a $2 uncommon and make people replace it with a $20 mythic.
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I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
So you think that people still want to take the deck to a PTQ even though it has a much less chance of winning? To me it's the same thing.
I guess if you were going to play it next weekend you might not have time to get a new deck. WotC seems to still think the deck is capable so I suppose they are in your camp.
Geist? Maybe V-clique?
Keep in mind that much of the disruption came from Jund discard. Now that BBE is banned Jund will be played less so maybe the Seething Song was a preemptive ban to prevent Storm from spinning out of control.
Lol! Geist maybe?
if they ban v-clique, i swear to god i will quit this game.
geist is the logical choice "its a representation of uninteractivity. despite the fact that it puts TWO swinging creatures into play during creature combat (which is undoubtedly the best part of magic), which makes us happy. we feel there are not enough answers for its hexproof ability."
Deathrite Shaman - Banned
Why? Because if WotC was actually true to their notion of pushing modern they would have realized that getting rid of the newer mistakes (DRS) rather than going after older ones that already had a deck (BBE) was a better route. DRS was the thing that made Jund ridiculous recently. Hasty, moronic decision from them.
Now to the real issue why WotC failed (and if they continue down this path, will compromise the format's popularity to rival new extended). At the very least two things were solidified from this:
1. Modern is an unstable format, where people who invest in it hope that their deck doesn't do too well or else it's on the chopping block.
2. Even if a ban is not necessarily warranted for a card, they will do it to please their agenda. (Though we knew this one to an extent beforehand, this only reinforces it)
I'm a twin/tron/burn player. Neither of these cards affect my decks but I'm afraid that there's the potential that these decks will certainly get hit soon as wotc continues their assault on top tier decks.
I'm going to give it time to sink in, but I feel divestment from modern is inevitable for me.
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I miss them, but they could go off T3 too. Farewell Griselbrand, we hardly knew ye.
I would've laughed at this post and dismissed it as being ridiculous last week. Seeing how Wizards handled the ban list this time around makes me see this post in a different light.
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And I prefer that much better than swing, draw elf, play elf, WOOOO LOTTERY TIME FREE SPELLS WOOOO, swing.
want something better than 1 for 1? Play forked bolt. Cascade is a stupid mechanic, and to say a format is bad because not having free spells being cast makes the game too simplistic is quite poor reasoning.
Also, belongs in the banned list discussion thread.
For christ sake.
They didn't slow storm down they killed the deck. Without song it's so much slower and less consistent than eggs twin pod even infect.
Huntmaster isn't even in the same district as BBE in regards to functionality.
All they have to do to nerf storm is make control stronger. And if control were stronger, maybe less people would play Jund, and they wouldn't have to ban anything out of either deck, yet make control a more appealing archetype in modern. Banning of seething song makes tron and scapeshift the only viable combo decks left, and they're entirely land based which few decks have interaction with. Eggs is the only exception.
This format is quickly becoming to aggro. Burn is going to be played heavily in this next season, and Jund really doesn't even get nerfed much from BBE banning.
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Jund held ~ 20% of the metagame and ~30% of top8 placings, this is a clear indicator of a deck that has become too powerful.
banning bloodbraid elf is the most elegant solution to nerfing jund. Its banning does not particularly disrupt the deck, as it will continue to be a force to be reckoned with, and affects other aggro variants minimally
its banning also allows other aggro variants like Zoo, Junk, Maverick, and Bant to compete more effectively.
furthermore, bloodbraid elf is a cheap card, so players won't be crying to much in the financial way.
seething song... i am confused about?
the best i can come up with is that they realized that storm was 2nd behind jund, and feared that without a pre-emptive nerf, it would come to be, if not as dominant as jund, the top deck in the format. I feel like they dislike the idea of a "non-interactive" combo deck becoming the dominant force in the meta, and so nerfed it.
however, even if this was the case, the proper card to ban is Goblin electromancer, not seething song.... seething song is almost necessary to run the deck....
in addition, with jund weaker, control decks are better able (devote more cards) to fight storm anyway :l, it probably wouldnt even have become "best deck", though it would certainly have been top tier.
wizards needs to realize that the power of this format will only grow, rigidly adhering to a "4 turn" rule is as bad as trying to keep the reserve list
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