The replays are publicly watchable for a while. So if you're willing to put in some effort, you can compile this data.
Well I though doing all of the math was putting in the effort lol.......Were would I go to find these replays.(link plz cuz I am lazy)
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Well I though doing all of the math was putting in the effort lol.......Were would I go to find these replays.(link plz cuz I am lazy)
Log into MTGO and go to the Scheduled Events room. Look in the bottom section (completed events). Double click the event. You can then double click the pairing to view the replays. There's a selector you can use to change the round you're viewing.
Log into MTGO and go to the Scheduled Events room. Look in the bottom section (completed events). Double click the event. You can then double click the pairing to view the replays. There's a selector you can use to change the round you're viewing.
dang I don't even have an account atm, because my email got shut down and I forgot my mtgo password lol. Oh well less of a pain for me to do. If anyone who has an active MTGO account wants to go through that trouble I would work out the math part.
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Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
UR Storm wins, while Living End, a more traditional Exarch Twin, Martyr Proc (Ghostly Prison sided out), and an unconventional Zoo Twin deck get close.
UW Control wins (I'll call decks of that vein UW Control from now on, even if they run no board wipes main), while Tribal Dark Zoo, RDW (with Browbeat!?), Esper Teachings, Bant Aggro (overload on the 3-drops!), and UR Storm get close.
_ shipitholla was piloting that Reanimator deck and made videos that should be up on MTGO Academy soon. I am really interested in the Archangel as a target...
INS is BEAFy and is the pilot of that UR locket deck...it is pretty funny.
What's funny is that I actually got paired down in round 2 and lost to the Ad Nauseam control deck in that round. I don't think I could have beaten that deck in a million years, with the way my build was arranged in that daily. Tons of countermagic and an instant-speed combo, as well as Angel's Grace? Brutal.
Who would have thought that Phyrexian Unlife would be a playable modern card.
Lightning Storm is a great upgrade to Conflagerate.
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Maybe it's my personal taste, but I just don't like Leylines. Very random, usually horrible when drawn and seduces you to mulligan into them or keep sketchy hands just because you have one.
Leyline is generally the strongest GY hate card, as it's the hardest for most GY-using decks to play around. It's also not that bad when drawn if you can cast it.
Who would have thought that Phyrexian Unlife would be a playable modern card.
Lightning Storm is a great upgrade to Conflagerate.
It may be slightly better but it's extremely rare that it would make a difference. And it might not even be better: for example, if you draw it early and get hit by a Thoughtseize or similar, I don't think the deck can win.
It may be slightly better but it's extremely rare that it would make a difference. And it might not even be better: for example, if you draw it early and get hit by a Thoughtseize or similar, I don't think the deck can win.
I've been fooling around with the list and I actually want to run one of each, just to avoid Thoughtseize -> Extraction/Extirpate. Granted, they should probably go for your Ad Nauseums, but still...
On topic...I really like the RUG lists that 4-0ed this morning. Control + Goyf has always been a good combo.
Just so you take the UR storm results as what they are, the version with locket of yesterdays has been reported to exploit a glitch in mtgo by which spells reduce their own mana costs when flashbacked, even colored mana costs which are not explicitly not able to be reduced according to the gatherer rulings. I haven't seen it by myself, but the pilot of those dailies has said so, if anyone can test it and bring more proof this should be reported.
You get by the Leyline with Burn by ignoring it. White Leyline is an ultra-situational card that doesn't hose any other deck properly. Gifts decks are running 4 Esper Charms and Cryptic Commands to bounce it, so they're not losing their Gifts Engine or their Thoughtseizes for very long (and they have other stuff to stall combo until they can remove Leyline). Any cohesive combo deck that cares about targetting the opponent is going to have some kind of bounce spell or removal spell; usually Echoing Truth--which removes all of the Leylines at once. Because it doesn't stop any present deck's actual engine, the White Leyline is the most useless played sideboard card in the current MTGO metagame.
So if you're playing burn, you are acknowledging that this card is useless, and hoping that you are paired against people who understand this fundamental concept. I don't think it's a smart gamble, as I keep running into (foolish) players boarding leylines in these DEs...but if you're going to bet on Burn, at least be a man about it and completely disregard the white leyline. You're not going to play through it, so ignore it. That's the whole point of playing burn: you're gambling entirely on match-ups and your opponents' deck inconsistencies.
I don't think it's even worth arguing over Browbeat anymore. You either love the card or you abhor it. Someone seemed to like it in his burn deck, and it gave him a positive record in a daily. Good for him.
EDIT: I wasn't ever 'exploiting' a glitch; the rules regarding Locket are actually very ambiguous. The problem is that the game rules and the Gatherer ruling/set FAQ info on Locket seemed to be contradictory. It made sense to me that a spell in the graveyard would see itself and be cheaper, since you pay the cost and it's then 'locked in.' And, while I know that MTGO isn't always correct...wouldn't anyone think that programmers would have caught this glitch in the 5 years that Locket of Yesterdays has been around? Anyways, I only found out just late last night that the 'locking in' aspect happens after you put it on the stack, as you put a spell on the stack before you pay its costs. I talked to my friend on the judge circuit, and he got a hold of a level 3 who explained it in great detail. Now that I know that it's absolutely not supposed to work in the way that it currently happens on MTGO, I'm not going to play that kind of build anymore. Obviously it would be unethical, but also...I don't need to exploit glitches, and I don't really even want to. I think I'm a good enough player to win legitimately, and I'm going to need all the practice I can get in order to do well in the coming PTQ season--online and offline. Making a few Tix here and there isn't my priority. I want to play at higher levels of competition and take down a bunch of pros.
Suffice to say: Yes, Locket of Yesterdays and flashback cards glitch to the benefit of the user. Either this is true, or a level 3 judge is wrong and Locket PIF Storm is the best deck in the format--the builds I used were very experimental and only a couple of days old. Imagine if this is how it was supposed to work, and I had time to tune the deck beyond a couple days of grinding.
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Melira Pod (Spellskite main is becoming increasingly common, while Fulminator Mage no longer sees a use) and a Melira Podless Combo (uses Summoner's Pact instead) win, while two other Melira Pods (Protean Hulk but no Body Double? Are you hoping that one of the three combo pieces is already on the table by the time you pop the Hulk?), UR Storm, Exarch Twin (no Kiki-Jiki), Red Affinity (now with Bob!), and Mono-White Control (its first appearance post-bans) get close.
Twin Pod (I've seen this deck back when Modern Dailies used to be popular; I guess it's getting played again) and Ad Nauseam-Angel's Grace (one Tiago maindeck--might be used if Lightning Storm gets hit by targeted discard, but you'll probably need to play Phyrexian Unlife the turn before to pull this off) win, while i-never-smile's Locket of Yesterdays UR Storm (fun sideboard, but I'm not sure how Goblin Guide is supposed to go all the way in a non-Burn deck), Jund (it's baaaaack!), a more conventional UR Storm, and Esper Teachings (Teferi but no fatty? What?) get close.
Two RUG Tempo Thresh decks win (now that it's performed in Worlds and thrice in the Dailies, I don't think I can call this deck "Rogue" anymore--besides, I've always had a soft spot for importing Legacy's Tempo Thresh (poorly) into Modern), while two UR Storm decks, Death and Taxes, Jund, Tribal Blue Zoo, and Counter-Cat Zoo (kaOz.Zeh won't give up) get close.
I'm wondering if the Modern Dailies get a break on Christmas.
Two RUG Tempo Thresh decks win (now that it's performed in Worlds and thrice in the Dailies, I don't think I can call this deck "Rogue" anymore--besides, I've always had a soft spot for importing Legacy's Tempo Thresh (poorly) into Modern), while two UR Storm decks, Death and Taxes, Jund, Tribal Blue Zoo, and Counter-Cat Zoo (kaOz.Zeh won't give up) get close.
It is a "countersliver" deck. Those are traditionally good against combo and control while pretty bad against Aggro.
Also at this point I'm pretty sure that kaOz.Zeh is just trying to get a last bit of tuning in before PTQ season. That person is always 3-1 in these. Or at least 1-2 a day it seems.
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An unusual GW Aggro deck wins (Steward of Valeron? Couldn't find Noble Hierarchs?), while RUG Tempo Thresh, Esper Teachings (Mindbreak Trap and Nihil Spellbomb main--yikes, there's a ton of Storm in the MTGO meta), Ad Nauseam-Angel's Grace, and two UR Storm decks get close.
UR Storm wins, while Esper Teachings, Rakdos Deck Wins, Tribal Blue Zoo, and another UR Storm (Telemin Performance and Ignorant Bliss in the sideboard? What?) get close.
Ad Nauseam-Angel's Grace wins, while UR Tempo Fae (1 Splinter Twin), UB Tempo Fae (how will I categorize all those Fae decks?), Martyr Proc, and UR Storm get close.
An unusual Grixis Tempo deck wins (Suffer the Past main? Man, Storm is taking over the MTGO meta), while an unusual Bant "Survival" deck (Mul Daya Channelers is the most unusual choice, but there are plenty of strange beasts here), Hive Mind, UR Storm, Martyr Proc, Tribal Blue Zoo (Geist of Saint Traft instead of KotR? Goyf as the only green creature? What?), and Esper Teachings (this one is of the Manlands variety, with the only other wincon being Tiago) get close.
Will UR Storm get hit by the next set of bans? Will more rogue decks 4-0? Who knows?
Fun fact: As of now, there are more UR Past Ascension (the typical) Storm decks with appearances in the Post-Dec. 20 Bans Modern Dailies than there are Teachings and Zoo decks combined.
Not surprising to see RUG tempo doing well. With a good pilot, those decks can do well against almost any deck style. Aggro is probably the hardest for them, but i wouldnt call the matchup "bad". Also, I get the reference but calling it slivers is a bit outdated.
Seeing white weenie (or D + T) make an appearance is pretty cool as well. I bet many decks were not excited to face down 8 wasteland effects.
I have also been trying out Geist in tribal zoo over KoTR, and so far I like it. It's a meta call, but they are both great in that slot. After you cut knight, there aren't many green creatures worth running in this style of zoo.
Countersliver would play more like Merfolk or Illusions, anyway. RUG Tempo Thresh's closest Legacy equivalent is probably the Thresh family, including Tempo (Canadian) Thresh, Team America, and New Horizons.
Holy diverse format batman. I guess WotC might actually know what they are doing. Fae, Storm, GW Control, RUG, Pod, Teachings,and much much less Zoo.
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On the other hand, according to my latest update of the Modern Daily Analysis on Page 6, UR Storm has appeared 18 times and gotten 4-0 5 times so far. Not a single other archetype has appeared even 10 times (Zoo has 9). Also slightly disturbing is that Ad Nauseam-Angel's Grace has the second most 4-0s so far, with 3.
Perhaps even more disturbing is that the latest Teachings decks have harshly adapted to UR Storm's presence by inserting Nihil Spellbombs and Mindbreak Traps maindeck, and I even saw a UR Storm list that adapted to the mirror by sticking Mindbreak Traps in the sideboard. The Grixis Tempo list that 4-0'd today has a Suffer the Past maindeck, which I interpret as another sign that UR Storm might be going too far (in the MTGO meta, at least).
I like UR Storm, but if it keeps performing like this, Past in Flames might get the banhammer...
well they dumbed down the power level of modern so that it opens up format diversity so synergies become more important than intrinsic card power sometimes.
This is definitely a format where MD yard hate is a good Idea, 75% of the decks have some sort of yard abuse. I am liking trinket mage more and more and he has been testing well. You can have increased virtual acces to nihil/tormod's without having lots of dead cards vs agro etc. He is also cheaper than Teachings and more proactive. Loam, Living End, Martyr Proc, Gifts, and Storm are all much cheaper than zoo to build and more prevalent. I am really hoping for more efective yard hate from INN block.
Well I though doing all of the math was putting in the effort lol.......Were would I go to find these replays.(link plz cuz I am lazy)
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Log into MTGO and go to the Scheduled Events room. Look in the bottom section (completed events). Double click the event. You can then double click the pairing to view the replays. There's a selector you can use to change the round you're viewing.
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Draft: (#1) (#2) (#3) (#4) (#5)
dang I don't even have an account atm, because my email got shut down and I forgot my mtgo password lol. Oh well less of a pain for me to do. If anyone who has an active MTGO account wants to go through that trouble I would work out the math part.
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2nd Modern Daily on 12/22/2011: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/3192798
Ad Nauseam-Angel's Grace wins (wow!) and so does UR Storm, while Tribal Blue Zoo, Counter-Cat Zoo, BG Tarmorack, and 5cc Cruel Control get close.
1st Modern Daily on 12/23/2011: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/3192825
UR Storm wins, while Living End, a more traditional Exarch Twin, Martyr Proc (Ghostly Prison sided out), and an unconventional Zoo Twin deck get close.
2nd Modern Daily on 12/23/2011: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/3192818
UW Control wins (I'll call decks of that vein UW Control from now on, even if they run no board wipes main), while Tribal Dark Zoo, RDW (with Browbeat!?), Esper Teachings, Bant Aggro (overload on the 3-drops!), and UR Storm get close.
3rd Modern Daily on 12/23/2011: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/3192811
Exarch Twin (now with Vedalken Shackles) wins, while Death and Taxes, an unusual UR Storm list (with Locket of Yesterdays and Thirst for Knowledge), UW Tron (with 2 Mindslavers, 1 Batterskull, and 1 creature, and I love the Buried Ruin for Gifts piles), Ad Nauseam-Angel's Grace (only 2 Angel's Graces?), another Exarch Twin, and Esper Reanimator Gifts (Empyrial Archangel being the only reanimation target in the maindeck, and the Shriekmaw as a 4th removal spell is hilarious) get close.
_ shipitholla was piloting that Reanimator deck and made videos that should be up on MTGO Academy soon. I am really interested in the Archangel as a target...
INS is BEAFy and is the pilot of that UR locket deck...it is pretty funny.
Angel's Grace seems funny against you
While I like deck diversity, few of these (very suboptimal) decks I just can't take seriously.
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Lightning Storm is a great upgrade to Conflagerate.
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Leyline is generally the strongest GY hate card, as it's the hardest for most GY-using decks to play around. It's also not that bad when drawn if you can cast it.
It only does this if you have other cards which can get by Leyline. Otherwise, your opponent will happily let you draw 3 blanks.
It may be slightly better but it's extremely rare that it would make a difference. And it might not even be better: for example, if you draw it early and get hit by a Thoughtseize or similar, I don't think the deck can win.
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I was going to say the exact same thing.
I've been fooling around with the list and I actually want to run one of each, just to avoid Thoughtseize -> Extraction/Extirpate. Granted, they should probably go for your Ad Nauseums, but still...
On topic...I really like the RUG lists that 4-0ed this morning. Control + Goyf has always been a good combo.
So if you're playing burn, you are acknowledging that this card is useless, and hoping that you are paired against people who understand this fundamental concept. I don't think it's a smart gamble, as I keep running into (foolish) players boarding leylines in these DEs...but if you're going to bet on Burn, at least be a man about it and completely disregard the white leyline. You're not going to play through it, so ignore it. That's the whole point of playing burn: you're gambling entirely on match-ups and your opponents' deck inconsistencies.
I don't think it's even worth arguing over Browbeat anymore. You either love the card or you abhor it. Someone seemed to like it in his burn deck, and it gave him a positive record in a daily. Good for him.
EDIT: I wasn't ever 'exploiting' a glitch; the rules regarding Locket are actually very ambiguous. The problem is that the game rules and the Gatherer ruling/set FAQ info on Locket seemed to be contradictory. It made sense to me that a spell in the graveyard would see itself and be cheaper, since you pay the cost and it's then 'locked in.' And, while I know that MTGO isn't always correct...wouldn't anyone think that programmers would have caught this glitch in the 5 years that Locket of Yesterdays has been around? Anyways, I only found out just late last night that the 'locking in' aspect happens after you put it on the stack, as you put a spell on the stack before you pay its costs. I talked to my friend on the judge circuit, and he got a hold of a level 3 who explained it in great detail. Now that I know that it's absolutely not supposed to work in the way that it currently happens on MTGO, I'm not going to play that kind of build anymore. Obviously it would be unethical, but also...I don't need to exploit glitches, and I don't really even want to. I think I'm a good enough player to win legitimately, and I'm going to need all the practice I can get in order to do well in the coming PTQ season--online and offline. Making a few Tix here and there isn't my priority. I want to play at higher levels of competition and take down a bunch of pros.
Suffice to say: Yes, Locket of Yesterdays and flashback cards glitch to the benefit of the user. Either this is true, or a level 3 judge is wrong and Locket PIF Storm is the best deck in the format--the builds I used were very experimental and only a couple of days old. Imagine if this is how it was supposed to work, and I had time to tune the deck beyond a couple days of grinding.
4th Modern Daily on 12/23/2011: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/3192848
Melira Pod (Spellskite main is becoming increasingly common, while Fulminator Mage no longer sees a use) and a Melira Podless Combo (uses Summoner's Pact instead) win, while two other Melira Pods (Protean Hulk but no Body Double? Are you hoping that one of the three combo pieces is already on the table by the time you pop the Hulk?), UR Storm, Exarch Twin (no Kiki-Jiki), Red Affinity (now with Bob!), and Mono-White Control (its first appearance post-bans) get close.
1st Modern Daily on 12/24/2011: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/3192868
Twin Pod (I've seen this deck back when Modern Dailies used to be popular; I guess it's getting played again) and Ad Nauseam-Angel's Grace (one Tiago maindeck--might be used if Lightning Storm gets hit by targeted discard, but you'll probably need to play Phyrexian Unlife the turn before to pull this off) win, while i-never-smile's Locket of Yesterdays UR Storm (fun sideboard, but I'm not sure how Goblin Guide is supposed to go all the way in a non-Burn deck), Jund (it's baaaaack!), a more conventional UR Storm, and Esper Teachings (Teferi but no fatty? What?) get close.
2nd Modern Daily on 12/24/2011: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/3192860
Two RUG Tempo Thresh decks win (now that it's performed in Worlds and thrice in the Dailies, I don't think I can call this deck "Rogue" anymore--besides, I've always had a soft spot for importing Legacy's Tempo Thresh (poorly) into Modern), while two UR Storm decks, Death and Taxes, Jund, Tribal Blue Zoo, and Counter-Cat Zoo (kaOz.Zeh won't give up) get close.
I'm wondering if the Modern Dailies get a break on Christmas.
It is a "countersliver" deck. Those are traditionally good against combo and control while pretty bad against Aggro.
Also at this point I'm pretty sure that kaOz.Zeh is just trying to get a last bit of tuning in before PTQ season. That person is always 3-1 in these. Or at least 1-2 a day it seems.
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3rd Modern Daily on 12/24/2011: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/3192898
An unusual GW Aggro deck wins (Steward of Valeron? Couldn't find Noble Hierarchs?), while RUG Tempo Thresh, Esper Teachings (Mindbreak Trap and Nihil Spellbomb main--yikes, there's a ton of Storm in the MTGO meta), Ad Nauseam-Angel's Grace, and two UR Storm decks get close.
4th Modern Daily on 12/24/2011: http://decks.mtgoacademy.com/tournaments.aspx?id=5496
UR Storm wins, while Esper Teachings, Rakdos Deck Wins, Tribal Blue Zoo, and another UR Storm (Telemin Performance and Ignorant Bliss in the sideboard? What?) get close.
1st Modern Daily on 12/25/2011: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/3192918
Ad Nauseam-Angel's Grace wins, while UR Tempo Fae (1 Splinter Twin), UB Tempo Fae (how will I categorize all those Fae decks?), Martyr Proc, and UR Storm get close.
2nd Modern Daily on 12/25/2011: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/3192909
An unusual Grixis Tempo deck wins (Suffer the Past main? Man, Storm is taking over the MTGO meta), while an unusual Bant "Survival" deck (Mul Daya Channelers is the most unusual choice, but there are plenty of strange beasts here), Hive Mind, UR Storm, Martyr Proc, Tribal Blue Zoo (Geist of Saint Traft instead of KotR? Goyf as the only green creature? What?), and Esper Teachings (this one is of the Manlands variety, with the only other wincon being Tiago) get close.
Will UR Storm get hit by the next set of bans? Will more rogue decks 4-0? Who knows?
Fun fact: As of now, there are more UR Past Ascension (the typical) Storm decks with appearances in the Post-Dec. 20 Bans Modern Dailies than there are Teachings and Zoo decks combined.
Seeing white weenie (or D + T) make an appearance is pretty cool as well. I bet many decks were not excited to face down 8 wasteland effects.
I have also been trying out Geist in tribal zoo over KoTR, and so far I like it. It's a meta call, but they are both great in that slot. After you cut knight, there aren't many green creatures worth running in this style of zoo.
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Perhaps even more disturbing is that the latest Teachings decks have harshly adapted to UR Storm's presence by inserting Nihil Spellbombs and Mindbreak Traps maindeck, and I even saw a UR Storm list that adapted to the mirror by sticking Mindbreak Traps in the sideboard. The Grixis Tempo list that 4-0'd today has a Suffer the Past maindeck, which I interpret as another sign that UR Storm might be going too far (in the MTGO meta, at least).
I like UR Storm, but if it keeps performing like this, Past in Flames might get the banhammer...