Welcome to Lantern's Modified Banlist Tournament! Below you'll find all the rules, stipulations, format, and answers to all the questions. Please read carefully before entering, as breaking these rules could result in a round loss, if not disqualification.
What is the Modified Banlist Tournament?
Once upon a time, when modern as a format was new, the mod Lantern, ran a series of tournament to help the modern community come together and get a real feel for modern was. Modern is pretty well defined now, so that's not needed.
But with all the turmoil from the banlist over the years, I've decided its time for a Lantern tournament again.
So heres the deal, this is a one day swiss FREE tournament, using all of Modern's rules except a modified ban list. These following cards ARE legal in this event:
why isnt BLANK on the list?
There could be a lot of reasons for this. The first is simply "Lantern doesn't think it will be 'good' for the format." This whole kit and caboodle is under my effort (to be clear, running these is A LOT of effort) and so I'm just going to make it easier on myself and stick to what I know won't break easily.
Other than that, I've also got a rule of thumb which is "Don't unban cards from the last 1-2 announcements." Its too close, and I want to keep a little separation.
I also want to make it clear, that doesnt mean your card won't be unbanned in the future. The idea is to have the "smallest banlist with out breaking or creating an unhealthy format." Since the community will be helping balance this meta, we can only push little by little.
Reasonings for these unbans?We're starting with some smaller changes and working up. The idea is to unban a wide choice for each color, as in, a card that could go in many decks. Blue gets AV, which can power up combo, control, and tempo. White gets stoneforge, which is basically a package deal. Black gets return, which goes into grave decks, red gets bloodbraid (cheating kinda, I know, but the other red cards werent easily safe) which helps aggro and midrange, and green gets green sun, which helps hate packaged decks, hopefully to fight return and stoneforge.
Again. This is a start, if balance isn't good, Ill take community advice and adjust. If control isnt good, ill see if its a lack of raw power (unban jace), aggro too good (ban bbelf) ect. So if something "breaks" its great! Thats what its here for, to test.
Event Details
This will be a swiss tournament of 50 minutes each. After will be cut to top 8 and 4 single elimination rounds.
Date: Saturday, Feb 27th, 11 am EST.
Client: Cockatrice
Fee: NONE, free.
How do I enter?
Message me your deck Hash and archetype. Once you do this, you are entered and can not change your deck.
If you top 8 message me the decklist before the start of the round.
Deadline: Feb 25th.
You also must have a cockatrice user name that matches your mtgsalvation one. No exceptions.
Live Streaming
If you just want to watch, I will be streaming the event with Shmanka on my youtube channel. It will be on a 5 minute delay.
Prizes
Bragging Rights! Alright, since its a free event, and I'm taking on a lot of work here, I can't give a huge amount, but I can make a special mtgsalvation signature picture for you to loudly and proudly display your digital dominance.
My name here and Cockatrice aren't the same!
Not to worry, theres 3 different ways to fix that. The first is the easiest, just get a new cockatrice name. You can either register a new name with them, or just use a different name when logging in with no password. Otherwise, message me if you want to change youre user name on here.
Where our pairings posted?
Next post down under here.
What should I label my matches as?
Lantern's Modified Modern Tournament
What happens if my game isnt over by round time
Saddly, we can't do a turns rules because we don't have the staff to do so. If Shmanka doesn't get the result 5 minutes after time, its an automatic draw for the game.
How do I know my opponent isnt cheating?
Honor code, plus I verify top 8 lists. It isnt a full proof system, but trust me, its pretty close.
Who do we report game results to?
Message my Shmanka on cockatrice.
Can I suggest unbans or bans?
No. There will be an open discussion thread later.
Do we have judges?
Yes! Volunteer judges! Message them on cockatrice. They are the following:
How do I get a hold of you or anyone about anything?
Before the event: here. During the event: on cockatrice.
Isn't the stream going to help people cheat?
No. Its on a 5 minute delay.
When's the next one?
I'd like to hold this once a month, likely the last Saturday of each month. It will is alot of work, so this is subject to change.
Can I talk about my potential deck in the Primers of this sub?
I'd rather you not. This thread is open to talk about the potential meta you expect and how to prepare for it.
I'm unsure as to why Dread Return is on that list specifically, it is the only card on the list that doesn't promote a fair archetype, and has been tested with unrefined decklists to have as early as turn 2 wins especially so with GGT in the format.
Other than my personal complaint of Dread Return, I would love to Co-Cast. I just refuse to download third party programs as much as I Hate-Love MTGO, otherwise good luck all entrants.
And I'll openly say its the "loosest on the list" but The truth is, I do think green sun for Ooze, and the AV control would help it out. Well see, like I said, if its too powerful, we ban it if this becomes a monthly thing.
Time for some more Ultimate Showdown, Ultimate Destiny fun!
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I'm unsure as to why Dread Return is on that list specifically, it is the only card on the list that doesn't promote a fair archetype, and has been tested with unrefined decklists to have as early as turn 2 wins especially so with GGT in the format.
Other than my personal complaint of Dread Return, I would love to Co-Cast. I just refuse to download third party programs as much as I Hate-Love MTGO, otherwise good luck all entrants.
Dredge in Modern even with this card is imo vastly overrated and because of the hype surrounding it everyone will pack hate. I don't think that the deck has any chance of performing well.
Plus, with bbelf unbanned, its likely ooze can keep it down too. Truth is, it might not be as good as people think... Then it just adds a dexk into the meta without breaking it.
And free free guys to use this thread to talk about modified meta! Thats what its for!
I can't participate in the event, since I'm already attending another event the same day. However, I'd be interested in future events if you do end up hosting them.
Thinking about the meta is pretty interesting. I expect many people would attempt to play with as many of these broken cards as they're able, especially taking advantage of the synergy between stone forge mystic and sword of the meek.
That means whatever deck I'd play would have extra sideboard slots aimed at destroying artifacts. I would expect others to follow suit, so affinity and other artifact decks would not be on my radar.
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Modern: Kiki ChordWBRG
TokensWB
EDH: Kuon, Ogre AscendantBBB
I'd also remind everyone, that some of these cards from legacy allows counter strats too.
Green sun into knight into bojuka bog is something I used to do in legacy. Knight is a pretty good card because it also gives access to some other hate too, like wolfrun. Also I used to play stoneforge into Manriki-Gusari or Hammer of Ruin to kill off batterskulls or jitte.
Cockatrice is easier to learn than it looks like. It took me ca. a hour to learn everything relevant, from hot key action till random token generation . You just will be a little bit slow at the beginning, but this is normal.
Greetings,
Kathal
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What I play or have:
Modern/Legacy
either funpolice (Delver, Deathcloud, UW Control) or the fun decks (especially those ft. Griselbrand)
lantern, any chance to make another tournament sunday on mtgo?
i really dont have time to learn Cockatrice (and i think i cant on saturday), but otherwise would love to participate
If you have opened the game solitaire on your computer, then you know how to use Cockatrice.
The only difference is that you can put stuff anywhere since it is just a digital table. Right click on things for options, click and drag to move stuff around.
How do you enable sounds in cockatrice? By sounds, i mean those short "shooows" whenever you/opponent puts a card in play
Not sure if it has those. Otherwise they would be in the settings. The program is literally just a space that lets you move rectangles around with card images in them. You may be thinking of Xmage.
I tested RUG midrange with BBE into AV in mind and it doesnt work because other than AV there are no great targets for cascade. I think classic ol Jund is better.
If you're gonna play RUG midrange, your cascade targets are goyf, scavenging ooze, bolt, serum visions, Ancestral visions, izzet charm, simic charm.
In all honesty, in this hypothetical format I would probably push for the greed and play 4 color--bloodbraid cascades into bolt, ancestral visions, inquisition of kozilek, dimir charm, goyf, etc. Basically, play jund with a light blue splash for ancestral visions and dimir charm/izzet charm, as those provide additional protection against combo.
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Yes, I am a local area mod. WELP. GOOD LIFE CHANGES ALL HAPPEN AT ONCE AND SOME ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE
Primary Decks:
Modern: Esper Draw-Go
Legacy: RUG Lands
EDH: Sidisi turn-3 storm
But wasnt one of the "reasons why bbelf was better in zoo rather than jund" because bbelfing into discard against aggro stinks? Zoo had only good targets (sans path vs combo) is its always good hits. Counter and discard is worse (but k command is sweet)
let's be fair--in a modern context, the 3/2 haste body is worth 2.5 mana, so whatever you get is effectively costing you 1.5 mana. I think drawing + casting a discard spell is worth 1.5 mana pretty much any point in the game. It's extra cards yo.
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Yes, I am a local area mod. WELP. GOOD LIFE CHANGES ALL HAPPEN AT ONCE AND SOME ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE
Primary Decks:
Modern: Esper Draw-Go
Legacy: RUG Lands
EDH: Sidisi turn-3 storm
Welcome to Lantern's Modified Banlist Tournament! Below you'll find all the rules, stipulations, format, and answers to all the questions. Please read carefully before entering, as breaking these rules could result in a round loss, if not disqualification.
What is the Modified Banlist Tournament?
Once upon a time, when modern as a format was new, the mod Lantern, ran a series of tournament to help the modern community come together and get a real feel for modern was. Modern is pretty well defined now, so that's not needed.
But with all the turmoil from the banlist over the years, I've decided its time for a Lantern tournament again.
So heres the deal, this is a one day swiss FREE tournament, using all of Modern's rules except a modified ban list. These following cards ARE legal in this event:
why isnt BLANK on the list?
There could be a lot of reasons for this. The first is simply "Lantern doesn't think it will be 'good' for the format." This whole kit and caboodle is under my effort (to be clear, running these is A LOT of effort) and so I'm just going to make it easier on myself and stick to what I know won't break easily.
Other than that, I've also got a rule of thumb which is "Don't unban cards from the last 1-2 announcements." Its too close, and I want to keep a little separation.
I also want to make it clear, that doesnt mean your card won't be unbanned in the future. The idea is to have the "smallest banlist with out breaking or creating an unhealthy format." Since the community will be helping balance this meta, we can only push little by little.
Reasonings for these unbans?We're starting with some smaller changes and working up. The idea is to unban a wide choice for each color, as in, a card that could go in many decks. Blue gets AV, which can power up combo, control, and tempo. White gets stoneforge, which is basically a package deal. Black gets return, which goes into grave decks, red gets bloodbraid (cheating kinda, I know, but the other red cards werent easily safe) which helps aggro and midrange, and green gets green sun, which helps hate packaged decks, hopefully to fight return and stoneforge.
Again. This is a start, if balance isn't good, Ill take community advice and adjust. If control isnt good, ill see if its a lack of raw power (unban jace), aggro too good (ban bbelf) ect. So if something "breaks" its great! Thats what its here for, to test.
Event Details
This will be a swiss tournament of 50 minutes each. After will be cut to top 8 and 4 single elimination rounds.
Date: Saturday, Feb 27th, 11 am EST.
Client: Cockatrice
Fee: NONE, free.
How do I enter?
Message me your deck Hash and archetype. Once you do this, you are entered and can not change your deck.
If you top 8 message me the decklist before the start of the round.
Deadline: Feb 25th.
You also must have a cockatrice user name that matches your mtgsalvation one. No exceptions.
Live Streaming
If you just want to watch, I will be streaming the event with Shmanka on my youtube channel. It will be on a 5 minute delay.
Prizes
Bragging Rights! Alright, since its a free event, and I'm taking on a lot of work here, I can't give a huge amount, but I can make a special mtgsalvation signature picture for you to loudly and proudly display your digital dominance.
Isn't MTGO better?
Probably. But it creates a pay wall. We value results and data here, not how much you can shell out for a unoffical tournament.
Where is my deck code?
See this picture.
How do I download/use cockatrice?
See these videos.
My name here and Cockatrice aren't the same!
Not to worry, theres 3 different ways to fix that. The first is the easiest, just get a new cockatrice name. You can either register a new name with them, or just use a different name when logging in with no password. Otherwise, message me if you want to change youre user name on here.
Where our pairings posted?
Next post down under here.
What should I label my matches as?
Lantern's Modified Modern Tournament
What happens if my game isnt over by round time
Saddly, we can't do a turns rules because we don't have the staff to do so. If Shmanka doesn't get the result 5 minutes after time, its an automatic draw for the game.
How do I know my opponent isnt cheating?
Honor code, plus I verify top 8 lists. It isnt a full proof system, but trust me, its pretty close.
Who do we report game results to?
Message my Shmanka on cockatrice.
Can I suggest unbans or bans?
No. There will be an open discussion thread later.
Do we have judges?
Yes! Volunteer judges! Message them on cockatrice. They are the following:
How do I get a hold of you or anyone about anything?
Before the event: here. During the event: on cockatrice.
Isn't the stream going to help people cheat?
No. Its on a 5 minute delay.
When's the next one?
I'd like to hold this once a month, likely the last Saturday of each month. It will is alot of work, so this is subject to change.
Can I talk about my potential deck in the Primers of this sub?
I'd rather you not. This thread is open to talk about the potential meta you expect and how to prepare for it.
I need Volunteer Judges!
For Judges, just be free on the 27th, hang out on cockatrice and message me.
Other than my personal complaint of Dread Return, I would love to Co-Cast. I just refuse to download third party programs as much as I Hate-Love MTGO, otherwise good luck all entrants.
And I'll openly say its the "loosest on the list" but The truth is, I do think green sun for Ooze, and the AV control would help it out. Well see, like I said, if its too powerful, we ban it if this becomes a monthly thing.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Dredge in Modern even with this card is imo vastly overrated and because of the hype surrounding it everyone will pack hate. I don't think that the deck has any chance of performing well.
And free free guys to use this thread to talk about modified meta! Thats what its for!
Thinking about the meta is pretty interesting. I expect many people would attempt to play with as many of these broken cards as they're able, especially taking advantage of the synergy between stone forge mystic and sword of the meek.
That means whatever deck I'd play would have extra sideboard slots aimed at destroying artifacts. I would expect others to follow suit, so affinity and other artifact decks would not be on my radar.
Modern: Kiki ChordWBRG
TokensWB
EDH: Kuon, Ogre AscendantBBB
#FreeContractfromBelow
Green sun into knight into bojuka bog is something I used to do in legacy. Knight is a pretty good card because it also gives access to some other hate too, like wolfrun. Also I used to play stoneforge into Manriki-Gusari or Hammer of Ruin to kill off batterskulls or jitte.
i really dont have time to learn Cockatrice (and i think i cant on saturday), but otherwise would love to participate
Greetings,
Kathal
PS: Regarding tournament orga experience, not magic related one but I hosted several tabletop tournaments, if this is good enough for you.
Modern/Legacy
either funpolice (Delver, Deathcloud, UW Control) or the fun decks (especially those ft. Griselbrand)
Greetings,
Kathal
Modern/Legacy
either funpolice (Delver, Deathcloud, UW Control) or the fun decks (especially those ft. Griselbrand)
If you have opened the game solitaire on your computer, then you know how to use Cockatrice.
The only difference is that you can put stuff anywhere since it is just a digital table. Right click on things for options, click and drag to move stuff around.
Not sure if it has those. Otherwise they would be in the settings. The program is literally just a space that lets you move rectangles around with card images in them. You may be thinking of Xmage.
I tested RUG midrange with BBE into AV in mind and it doesnt work because other than AV there are no great targets for cascade. I think classic ol Jund is better.
In all honesty, in this hypothetical format I would probably push for the greed and play 4 color--bloodbraid cascades into bolt, ancestral visions, inquisition of kozilek, dimir charm, goyf, etc. Basically, play jund with a light blue splash for ancestral visions and dimir charm/izzet charm, as those provide additional protection against combo.
Yes, I am a local area mod.WELP. GOOD LIFE CHANGES ALL HAPPEN AT ONCE AND SOME ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVEPrimary Decks:
Modern: Esper Draw-Go
Legacy: RUG Lands
EDH: Sidisi turn-3 storm
I also tried Blue jund just to splash AV. There you have more agressive targets like Lotv, discard and removal. I will keep trying that combination.
Nowadays i think cascading into discard is 50/50. Against eldrazi is pretty good, against Affinity is game loss.
Cascading into Kcommand is beauty.
Yes, I am a local area mod.WELP. GOOD LIFE CHANGES ALL HAPPEN AT ONCE AND SOME ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVEPrimary Decks:
Modern: Esper Draw-Go
Legacy: RUG Lands
EDH: Sidisi turn-3 storm
Thanks to Rivenor for the signature and XenoNinja for the Avi!
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