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What cards do you think should be banned or unbanned in Modern in the next announcement? (4/4/16 update)
Poll: What cards do you think should be BANNED?
Ended Apr 2, 2016
Poll: What cards do you think should be UNBANNED?
Ended Apr 2, 2016
For the list of potential cards to be banned, I tried to list cards I saw people suggest for bannings. Obviously I couldn't get everything, so if you wanted a card gone that's not listed, just vote "Other." And note that there's a "Nothing" option for both polls, so if you don't want anything banned or don't want anything unbanned, feel free to vote for that!
Keep actual discussion in the normal banlist thread, not here.
Eye - no explanation required.
Bridge - I just find it bull*****
Unbans
AV - no problem
Bbe - no problem
Seething Song - let's make dragon storm a thing again.
Twin - it shouldn't have been banned
SFM - let's go white!
Spirits
@idSurge - I'm not saying that I disagree with those unbans (it would be pretty sweet), but why should Birthing Pod be left banned if those 5 came off?
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Spirits
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Spirits
I like it mostly because it works well with human tribal and also has potential with decks that have self discard. Other than that, yeah the thopter combo. With scavenging ooze and other options for exiling cards now the combo doesn't seem that horrible to deal with anymore.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Eye of Ugin: Stop the eldrazi madness!
Eldrazi Temple: I'd ban this over Eye as it can be mimicked by Vesuva.
Goryo's Vengeance: much like Summer bloom, this deck can easily kill turn 2 or even 1 for that matter.
Tarmogoyf: a degenerate card only kept in check by its price tag. If it wasn't 150-200$ a pop, every single green deck would use it. Much like what happened with Deathrite Shaman (became degenerate in all decks) or Treasure Cruise, the same logic should apply and get banned.
I disagree with anyone saying SSG should be banned as it is crucial to Ad Nauseam. No other deck except with Grishoalbrand uses it and that deck is solely broken on the back of Goryo's Vengeance.
Unbans:
Splinter Twin: without it, melira combos are running rampant with no way to keep them in check...
Second Sunrise: ban pyrite spellbomb instead...
Dread return: doesn't do anything that broken...
Hypergenesis: it is really not that good, trust me I tried it in no-bans...
I disagree with anyone wanting to unban sword of the meek UNLESS they ban thopter foundry or any other card that abuses it.
I disagree with anyone wanting to unban stoneforge mystic UNLESS they ban several equipment cards (living weapons). Turn 3 Batterskull in D&T is ridiculously broken.
RETIRED - GAME SUCKS
Modern:
UUUMerfolksUUU
RGoblinsR
Ad Nauseam
BR 8 Racks RB
WUB Mill BUW
Legacy:
XOps! All splels! X
What I think of MaRo
Unban: Bloodbraid Elf, Splinter Twin, Deathrite Shaman
RGTron
UGInfect
URStorm
WUBRAd Nauseam
BRGrishoalbrand
URGScapeshift
WBGAbzan Company
WUBRGAmulet Titan
BRGLiving End
WGBogles
Eye of Ugin
Mox Opal
Unban: I think either preordain or ancestral visions make a fine unban (just one at a time though). I'd prefer preordain, but av is okay as well. If we can't have fast mana, maybe we should have another good cantrip? Bloodbraid is nonbo with Collected Company, so I don't really see it as an issue.
Preordain or Ancestral Vision
Bloodbraid elf
KnightfallGWUR
Azorius Control UW
Burn RBG
bans: eye of ugin, cranial plating, become immense, simian spirit guide, ensnaring bridge.
unbans: AV
note* I worry if AV AND BBE get unbanned at the same time what that might do.
decks playing:
none
It slots into many control decks which is the argument for it.
Decks I'm playing in Modern right now:
URB Grixis Reveler (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-grixis-reveler/)
UB Faeries (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/ub-fae-2/)
UW Azorious Control (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-ojutai-control-2/)
Cranial Plating, literally imo the only card the makes affinity OP
Unban- Ancestral Vision, I mean come on.
Dig Through Time, sure the card advantage is crazy, but they really didn't test it. They just kind of banned it with TC
Splinter Twin- Should have never been banned, the deck was easy to beat.
Bloodbraid Elf- It's good, but I dont think it's OP.
Yes, I am a local area mod.WELP. GOOD LIFE CHANGES ALL HAPPEN AT ONCE AND SOME ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVEPrimary Decks:
Modern: Esper Draw-Go
Legacy: RUG Lands
EDH: Sidisi turn-3 storm
I second that
decks playing:
none
- Eye of Ugin - Eldrazi, etc.
- Eldrazi Temple - Eldrazi, etc.
- Simian Spirit Guide - Enables degenerate stuff like Grishoalbrand. Could be Goryos instead.
Unban:
- Splinter Twin - Shouldn't have been banned.
- Blood braid Elf - Not a ban worthy card.
- Stoneforge Mystic - Because white.
AV is probably ok, but I'm a little fuzzy on it.
Modern -
unban: Ancestral Vision, Bloodbraid Elf, Birthing Pod, Dread Return, Green Sun's Zenith, Jace, the Mind Sculptor, Ponder, Preordain, Punishing Fire, Stoneforge Mystic, Sword of the Meek
This should hopefully increase the metashare of interactive decks and maybe help Dredge which has never been a real thing in Modern and deserves to be given a chance at being at least tier 2 for once.
You clearly haven't looked at what that card can and has done in the past. Think about this, counting Dread Return 63/75 cards of the stock legacy Manaless Dredge list are or could be modern legal. A few tweaks and a turn 2-3 modern dredge deck wouldn't be unlikely if dread return was unbanned.
Manaless Dredge would never work in Modern, you only have 4 free creatures with Narcomoeba, without Ichorid and Nether Shadow it would be almost unplayable, especially considering that you don't have Cabal Therapy and therefore always need 3 creatures to get going. Good luck hitting 3 out of 4 creatures before something like turn 10.
And Dread Return is one of the weakest cards in Legacy Dredge which is often sided out and sometimes not even played mainboard.
It's more then just that. Thopter Depths was a hugely powerful deck in the last years of extended. The Sword/Depths bans in modern are a carry over from that period due to the unpopularity and reputation that deck had. Similar to the ban on JtMS/SFM. Thopter Foundry + Sword, lets you continuously gain life while grinding the match to a standstill, at which point you can win though various means. Sword or Depths unban would probably be fine but not both without banning cards that combo with Depths. Sword by itself wouldn't be too powerful as you can rather easily disrupt it. Torpor Orb for example stops the sword from returning, or RiP, and Pithing Needle can turn off Foundry.
I didn't say modern Manaless, I just pointed out the amount of the deck that is in modern. Also 4 free creatures? You seem to be forgetting Bloodghast, and if you're running 8-12 lands you can run Gravecrawler because of Bridge from Below tokens. You can accelerate via Alter's Reap, and Faithless Looting.
Grishoalbrand is capable of those surprising T2 kills but doesn't see enough play so SSG is safe.
Blue needs something to resuscitate it, maybe Visions would help but then Fair decks would have a worse time contending with them. If so unban BBE.
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