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What cards do you think should be banned or unbanned in Modern in the next announcement? (4/4/16 update)
Poll: What cards do you think should be BANNED?
Ended Apr 2, 2016
Poll: What cards do you think should be UNBANNED?
Ended Apr 2, 2016
You play Manaless Dredge because of Balustrade Spy which allows you to mill your whole deck once you reanimate it with Dread Return and therefore can't play lands
Also the overlap between decks doesn't mean much when it's the most important cards like Ichorid or Cabal Therapy that are missing.
I play legacy manaless so don't assume I don't know what I'm talking about. I never said modern manaless, that was the user who replied and put words in my mouth. I said the portion of that deck that's in modern because that list is the one that has more available to modern players. LED Dredge runs a lot more not modern legal cards so it's not as good an example of what's available. A Dread Return legal modern dredge list would likely look something like a hybrid between legacy manaless/led and modern dredgevine type lists. Win wouldn't be Balustrade Spy cause you are correct it's bad in mana dredge. However Flame-kin Zealot is legal and would work fine in that type of list.
eye or temple, but not both
unban:
AV
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jtms
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sfm
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ponder
gives fair decks a boost (specifically blue in this instance, they just took a hit) through both a wincon and the much neede CA/selection. unbanning one cantrip wont power up storm, and will give blue decks the ability the find answers on time instead of dying with the wrong half of their deck in their hand
cant agree with SotM or BBE at this time, since jund is tier 1 and in my own testing SotM crushes fair decks. these two are near the top of my list for the future however
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Modern:
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Legacy:
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I played during Thopter Sword AND Thopter Depths in Extended. Thopter Sword was never considered to be an oppressive deck. It was the best deck, but mostly because it had a good tool box and good players could grind out wins. Thopter Depths, on the other hand, was metagame warping, similar to what Eldrazi is doing.
In Modern if you happen to draw both pieces without the help of Transmute on Muddle the Mixture, we're looking at 1 life and 1 1/1 flier on turn 3. By turn 4 if nothing else is done, we're looking at 4 more 1/1 fliers and 4 life at most. In a turn 4 format, I doubt this is format warping in even the slightest way. Wizards wants Aggro to be good. I get it. But I seriously don't think it hurts the top Aggro decks at this time, not to mention it does very little vs. Combo. Control could care, but they should have answers like the many that there are in this card pool.
You may say that getting 5 1/1 fliers by turn 4 is too good now that Twin is gone. But with Twin gone and Stoneforge Mystic still rotting on the banned list, Sword of the Meek is very harmless. At the worst, it helps create a couple of Tier 2 decks. Maybe a Control deck has a win-con?
I really don't see what the fear is of Sword of the Meek. I will state again what I did in my opening paragraph. In the Thopter Depths Extended deck, the 20/20 indestructible flier was the fear; not the 1/1s. Yes, the 1/1s block the 20/20, but even having a 20/20 indestructible flier is very format warping. Anyone want to see a deck with 4 Vampire Hexmage, 4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, 4 Thespian Stage, 4 Dark Depths (causing this already $60 card to balloon to over $100 a pop), 4 Repeal, 4 Thoughtseize, 4 Inquisition of Kozilek, X number of Duress? Doesn't sound like much fun to me?
And lastly, DHamlin, I'm not directing this to you. I know you didn't have qualms about Sword. I'm rather trying to piggyback off and idea in your post that I saw.
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Sol lands shouldn't be Modern legal.
Unban:
Ancestral Vision
Blue really seems to need it right now, maybe more then it did prior to the Spliter Twin ban.
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Unban nothing. See how things play out with that adjustment and the new set.
Why?
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Modern:
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RGoblinsR
Ad Nauseam
BR 8 Racks RB
WUB Mill BUW
Legacy:
XOps! All splels! X
What I think of MaRo
It goes against their stated goals for the format with regards to power level. I'm having a real hard time believing that they were, for instance, actually OK with TKS on turn 2 when they drew Modern up as a format.
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Splinter Twin was only prevalent because of the massive printing of MM15 which dropped the price of the deck severely, but the deck itself wasn't degenerate, so it shouldn't have been banned. More like showing the success of MM15 getting people into modern.
Bloodbraid Elves is a pet card of mine, and I'd love to see it unbanned. I'd love to cascade into Kolaghan's Command outside of lucky cube drafting.
I don't know how to fix blue without making it stupid strong.
bahahahahaha so true, right? give it to little, and it does nothing. give it too much, and it destroys the hopes and dreams of millions
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Some are asking for some huge jump in power to the format. Do you really think Wotc is going to just chuck 5 years of game play to start over? If they do they will kill the format and start a new one. Which I dont see happening as long as they are still communicating with us.
Yeah, it's like, either it's weak and basically supporting card draw, or it's oppressive as hell and makes an unfun environment.
This is exactly what I was trying to say earlier. Plus there's definitely other decks that would abuse DR if it was legal.
If I remember correctly, it was 50 games and the list won on turn 2-3 in either 36% or 38% of games. But this was just in goldfishing, and Infect has goldfish turn 2-3 kills at around that rate but is fine in real matches according to Wizards. So it's hard to know how dangerous it is on those grounds alone.
Yeah those are similar to the goldfish numbers on legacy dredge in most cases. Even bigger worry might be what other decks would abuse it.
Infect should have more then just Become Immense being talked about for bans, personally I'm leaning more towards Blighted Agent or Glistener Elf, though I understand why people would suggest Inkmoth since that ban would do double duty by making affinity a tad weaker which may be a productive goal.
The degenerate combo crap needs to go, Eye and Temple should both be banned, simply put if they just ban one of them the deck still works since most eldrazi starts only need one of the two in their opening hands anyways for the deck to click. Also Goryo's Vengeance has to go at some point since that stupid deck can win on T2 which means it is de facto breaking the stated rules of the format.
Also I've said it once and I'll say it again, Tron will need to be banned, it might not be obvious but when you look at how the deck plays against fair decks, they simply cannot win against tron in any sort of consistent manner, the Tron player basically needs to purposefully stop playing lands in order to give control players a shot, its just sad, and a Turn 4 Ugin hard counters virtually every single mid range deck in the format and its not close.
You dont like Burn, Combo, Infect, Goryo's, Tron, or Eldrazi.
Jund/Junk good to go?
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I went with what I saw people suggest. I haven't seen anyone suggest a ban for Burn in months. I'll admit I may have missed one, but the fact I haven't seen people suggest it indicates that there's little desire for it, at least at the moment. I'm sure there's someone out there that thinks Pithing Needle needs a ban, but that doesn't mean there's any merit to putting it on the list.
Again, there's been little suggestion of such. There really hasn't been much attention paid to Infect in regards to banning suggestions in the last several months, and the few suggestions I did see were aimed at Become Immense.
To be fair, everyone's been so distracted by the Eldrazi that various other potential banning suggestions have largely fallen by the wayside. But if I don't see anyone suggest a ban for something, I don't see much purpose in including it. I went with what I saw people suggest, and people did not suggest the cards you want. And, based on the low percentage of "Other" votes (currently sitting at 3.4%), it wouldn't have made much of a difference if I did include them.
Pithing needle op! you can name fetchlands! ban pithing needle!
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UBRGYidris, Maelstrom Wielder UBRG
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..you don't play with or against a lot of burn, do you?
Anyway, I voted to ban Eye and SSG. I think Temple is fair because it's only a Sol land once per turn (and multiples can be interacted with favorably), while Eye can "make" 4-6 mana a turn, which is dumb.
I voted to unban Vision AND Preordain, but it's more likely that only one would get unbanned. Vision is good, but I'm not sure what it would find a home in now (maybe Esper, maybe Jeskai, maybe straight U/W - but none of those are dominant decks right now), and Preordain doesn't "break" anything so it's fine to unban.
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Rather than promoting a diverse meta, he wants a nerfed meta as slow and boring as standard.
I am not sure how Tec Edge or GC are favorable interactions as you set yourself behind considerably in order to disrupt.
I love how SSG was never a problem until Eldrazi abused it and everyone is jumping the bandwagon. Even though that card never sees top8 and is only valuable to 2 decks which either require it as a combo piece (after getting 6 mana to go off) or a very flimsy combo that 3/4 times fails on its own.
RETIRED - GAME SUCKS
Modern:
UUUMerfolksUUU
RGoblinsR
Ad Nauseam
BR 8 Racks RB
WUB Mill BUW
Legacy:
XOps! All splels! X
What I think of MaRo
To be clear, I didn't really think Summer bloom, splinter twin (or pod last year) needed to be banned.
However, I think it is consistent in principle to remove SSG if we are going to say that Summer Bloom (and other fast mana before it) are not fair.
In the end, however, I just couldn't justify banning it given that it has not been broken yet. In Ad nauseam, the deck is slow enough to get it's combo off as it is. With Grishoalbrand, it is not played enough to justify the ban.
SSG would be on my watch list to be consistent with other fast mana bans, but I don't think this is the right time.
I do think it would make a good swap ban SSG for preordain.
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