I don't think any real control deck existed outside of them shoving Twin in
Temur Twin
Grixis Twin
UR Twin
URW Twin winning that tournament was the final straw for WOTC banning Twin decks
Grixis control was just a phad, people wanted something new so it was hot that summer. Twin was making a huge comeback before it was banned.
Outside of having fun, there's no reason to play a control deck outside of Twin.
I wouldn't cry if Twin was unbanned though, the deck was so much fun.
Blue needs a 2 mana hard counter-spell, but there's no way WOTC will introduce that, which is a shame. I'm disappointed I come back months later to find that Nahiri decks basically don't exist anymore
I don't think any real control deck existed outside of them shoving Twin in
I don't think a control deck exists today, especially without having to dodge several top tier bad matchups and get extremely lucky. But I guess it was worse before, when they had the option of a good win condition in a deck that was never oppressive?
Outside of stubbornness, there's no reason to play a control deck today.
I don't think any real control deck existed outside of them shoving Twin in
I don't think a control deck exists today, especially without having to dodge several top tier bad matchups and get extremely lucky. But I guess it was worse before, when they had the option of a good win condition in a deck that was never oppressive?
Jeskai Control, Grixis Control, Lantern Control, Skred Red, Sun and Moon
I don't think any real control deck existed outside of them shoving Twin in
I don't think a control deck exists today, especially without having to dodge several top tier bad matchups and get extremely lucky. But I guess it was worse before, when they had the option of a good win condition in a deck that was never oppressive?
Jeskai Control, Grixis Control, Lantern Control, Skred Red, Sun and Moon
I guess if you count prison decks and <1% decks, all is well. No worries. Modern is fine!
I don't think any real control deck existed outside of them shoving Twin in
I don't think a control deck exists today, especially without having to dodge several top tier bad matchups and get extremely lucky. But I guess it was worse before, when they had the option of a good win condition in a deck that was never oppressive?
Jeskai Control, Grixis Control, Lantern Control, Skred Red, Sun and Moon
Bro, 3 of those are prison decks. They have a control element, but they are not it.
Isn't Prison just a subtype of Control? If you subdivide archtypes to infinity, i guess you can make any archtype look unrepresented.
For instance, there is no aggro since DSA, Suicide bloo, Burn, Infect, Dredge and Affinity are all (considered) aggro-combo decks. So no aggro?
Bro.
edit: I think this is a good time to bring up the definitions of archtypes. I'm not sure we need definitions exactly - crowdsourcing that sort of thing might not be so easy to do in this type of medium.
So, on the premise that some people feel certain archtypes are not represented:
What are the archtypes that we want to consider for balance/diversity?
Is it: Aggro, Combo, Midrange, Control
Or: Aggro, aggro-combo, tempo, midrange, prison, control, ramp, combo?
something else?
How many archtypes are there for consideration when we speak of a lack of archtype diversity? What are they?
Isn't Prison just a subtype of Control? If you subdivide archtypes to infinity, i guess you can make any archtype look unrepresented.
For instance, there is no aggro since DSA, Suicide bloo, Burn, Infect, Dredge and Affinity are all (considered) aggro-combo decks. So no aggro?
Bro.
edit: I think this is a good time to bring up the definitions of archtypes. I'm not sure we need definitions exactly - crowdsourcing that sort of thing might not be so easy to do in this type of medium.
So, on the premise that some people feel certain archtypes are not represented:
What are the archtypes that we want to consider for balance/diversity?
Is it: Aggro, Combo, Midrange, Control
Or: Aggro, aggro-combo, tempo, midrange, prison, control, ramp, combo?
something else?
How many archtypes are there for consideration when we speak of a lack of archtype diversity? What are they?
I think Gkourou answered your conundrum--bro
Control is typically thought of having answers to the questions, prison decks just shut you out
It's definitionally a much healthier format without Twin in it.
Given how awesome 2015 was and how toxic 2016 has been, I cannot agree with this statement whatsoever. You are free to believe that, but it is not a universally held opinion by any means.
You keep saying this with no support for it whatsoever. Just saying something doesn't make it true. So I took the time to look. And you know what? If you adjust for both the tiny bit of 2016 where Twin was legal and for Eldrazi Winter, 2015 had a higher average of negative articles regarding Modern than 2016.
This was done by searching Modern articles on SCG, CFB, and TCG for both years but not counting the mentioned time frames and then averaging. 2015 had (rounded up) 7 negative Modern articles per month while 2016 so far has had 4 per month. Granted, many articles discuss both pros and cons so it was fairly subjective to determine the overall theme. I didn't just count any random complaint but focused more on whether it seemed more than 50% of the article was either complaints or ban suggestions.
It's definitionally a much healthier format without Twin in it.
Given how awesome 2015 was and how toxic 2016 has been, I cannot agree with this statement whatsoever. You are free to believe that, but it is not a universally held opinion by any means.
You keep saying this with no support for it whatsoever. Just saying something doesn't make it true. So I took the time to look. And you know what? If you adjust for both the tiny bit of 2016 where Twin was legal and for Eldrazi Winter, 2015 had a higher average of negative articles regarding Modern than 2016.
This was done by searching Modern articles on SCG, CFB, and TCG for both years but not counting the mentioned time frames and then averaging. 2015 had (rounded up) 7 negative Modern articles per month while 2016 so far has had 4 per month. Granted, many articles discuss both pros and cons so it was fairly subjective to determine the overall theme. I didn't just count any random complaint but focused more on whether it seemed more than 50% of the article was either complaints or ban suggestions.
You're right. How could I have been so mistaken? I mean, as long as we pretend Eldrazi Winter never happened and are totally OK with the linear degeneracy dominance of Summer and Fall, then 2016 has been the best year Modern has ever seen!
It's definitionally a much healthier format without Twin in it.
Given how awesome 2015 was and how toxic 2016 has been, I cannot agree with this statement whatsoever. You are free to believe that, but it is not a universally held opinion by any means.
You keep saying this with no support for it whatsoever. Just saying something doesn't make it true. So I took the time to look. And you know what? If you adjust for both the tiny bit of 2016 where Twin was legal and for Eldrazi Winter, 2015 had a higher average of negative articles regarding Modern than 2016.
This was done by searching Modern articles on SCG, CFB, and TCG for both years but not counting the mentioned time frames and then averaging. 2015 had (rounded up) 7 negative Modern articles per month while 2016 so far has had 4 per month. Granted, many articles discuss both pros and cons so it was fairly subjective to determine the overall theme. I didn't just count any random complaint but focused more on whether it seemed more than 50% of the article was either complaints or ban suggestions.
You're right. How could I have been so mistaken? 2016 has been the best year Modern has ever seen!
Since Pod was banned at least. And I didn't play Pod. I friggen HATED Pod. But it was another "fair sometimes unfair other times" deck, just like Twin, to put a check on Twin. Without another deck in the same sphere to check it, Twin just couldn't last long. But prior to the Pod ban, prior to the printing of TC and DTT, Modern was great. 2016 (again, not counting Eldrazi Winter) has absolutely been the best Modern since then.
It's definitionally a much healthier format without Twin in it.
Given how awesome 2015 was and how toxic 2016 has been, I cannot agree with this statement whatsoever. You are free to believe that, but it is not a universally held opinion by any means.
You keep saying this with no support for it whatsoever. Just saying something doesn't make it true. So I took the time to look. And you know what? If you adjust for both the tiny bit of 2016 where Twin was legal and for Eldrazi Winter, 2015 had a higher average of negative articles regarding Modern than 2016.
This was done by searching Modern articles on SCG, CFB, and TCG for both years but not counting the mentioned time frames and then averaging. 2015 had (rounded up) 7 negative Modern articles per month while 2016 so far has had 4 per month. Granted, many articles discuss both pros and cons so it was fairly subjective to determine the overall theme. I didn't just count any random complaint but focused more on whether it seemed more than 50% of the article was either complaints or ban suggestions.
You're right. How could I have been so mistaken? 2016 has been the best year Modern has ever seen!
Since Pod was banned at least. And I didn't play Pod. I friggen HATED Pod. But it was another "fair sometimes unfair other times" deck, just like Twin, to put a check on Twin. Without another deck in the same sphere to check it, Twin just couldn't last long. But prior to the Pod ban, prior to the printing of TC and DTT, Modern was great. 2016 (again, not counting Eldrazi Winter) has absolutely been the best Modern since then.
"Since Pod was banned." So 2016 is the best year in Modern's history! As long as that history only includes 2015 (which apparently was a terrible, awful, no-good year that saw massive growth in playerbase and deck diversity?) and ignores a gigantic chunk of 2016 (which was easily the worst 4 months in Modern history) and assumes everyone is in love with roulette wheel linear degeneracy dominating Summer and Fall. Just making sure we're on the same page here.
Given how awesome 2015 was and how toxic 2016 has been, I cannot agree with this statement whatsoever. You are free to believe that, but it is not a universally held opinion by any means.
You keep saying this with no support for it whatsoever. Just saying something doesn't make it true. So I took the time to look. And you know what? If you adjust for both the tiny bit of 2016 where Twin was legal and for Eldrazi Winter, 2015 had a higher average of negative articles regarding Modern than 2016.
This was done by searching Modern articles on SCG, CFB, and TCG for both years but not counting the mentioned time frames and then averaging. 2015 had (rounded up) 7 negative Modern articles per month while 2016 so far has had 4 per month. Granted, many articles discuss both pros and cons so it was fairly subjective to determine the overall theme. I didn't just count any random complaint but focused more on whether it seemed more than 50% of the article was either complaints or ban suggestions.
You're right. How could I have been so mistaken? 2016 has been the best year Modern has ever seen!
Since Pod was banned at least. And I didn't play Pod. I friggen HATED Pod. But it was another "fair sometimes unfair other times" deck, just like Twin, to put a check on Twin. Without another deck in the same sphere to check it, Twin just couldn't last long. But prior to the Pod ban, prior to the printing of TC and DTT, Modern was great. 2016 (again, not counting Eldrazi Winter) has absolutely been the best Modern since then.
"Since Pod was banned." So 2016 is the best year in Modern's history! As long as that history only includes 2015 (which apparently was a terrible, awful, no-good year that saw massive growth in playerbase and deck diversity?) and ignores a gigantic chunk of 2016 (which was easily the worst 4 months in Modern history) and assumes everyone is in love with roulette wheel linear degeneracy dominating Summer and Fall. Just making sure we're on the same page here.
I'm sorry, I just blinked. And where did the goal posts go?!?! What DID YOU DO WITH THE GOAL POSTS?!?!?
We were arguing whether 2015 was better than 2016 or vice versa. When did this become about the best year ever?
everyone is in love with roulette wheel linear degeneracy dominating Summer and Fall. Just making sure we're on the same page here.
2016 is no that bad. You are entitled to your opinion, but trying to make your opinion the right one is a wrong thing to do in forums, cfusionpm. I do admit though that we saw interactivity dropping down during the last months. But IMO, this is Dredge's fault.
I'm just trying to highlight how silly it sounds to call 2016 such a great year for Modern when it was riddled with a slew of problems and criticisms that, while many were based on pre-existing contitions, have been exaggerated and have grown substantially throughout this year. This is without even having to cite Eldrazi Winter, which we just pretend never happened and didn't ruin a quarter of the entire year and left the rest of it in chaos.
You keep saying this with no support for it whatsoever. Just saying something doesn't make it true. So I took the time to look. And you know what? If you adjust for both the tiny bit of 2016 where Twin was legal and for Eldrazi Winter, 2015 had a higher average of negative articles regarding Modern than 2016.
This was done by searching Modern articles on SCG, CFB, and TCG for both years but not counting the mentioned time frames and then averaging. 2015 had (rounded up) 7 negative Modern articles per month while 2016 so far has had 4 per month. Granted, many articles discuss both pros and cons so it was fairly subjective to determine the overall theme. I didn't just count any random complaint but focused more on whether it seemed more than 50% of the article was either complaints or ban suggestions.
You're right. How could I have been so mistaken? 2016 has been the best year Modern has ever seen!
Since Pod was banned at least. And I didn't play Pod. I friggen HATED Pod. But it was another "fair sometimes unfair other times" deck, just like Twin, to put a check on Twin. Without another deck in the same sphere to check it, Twin just couldn't last long. But prior to the Pod ban, prior to the printing of TC and DTT, Modern was great. 2016 (again, not counting Eldrazi Winter) has absolutely been the best Modern since then.
"Since Pod was banned." So 2016 is the best year in Modern's history! As long as that history only includes 2015 (which apparently was a terrible, awful, no-good year that saw massive growth in playerbase and deck diversity?) and ignores a gigantic chunk of 2016 (which was easily the worst 4 months in Modern history) and assumes everyone is in love with roulette wheel linear degeneracy dominating Summer and Fall. Just making sure we're on the same page here.
I'm sorry, I just blinked. And where did the goal posts go?!?! What DID YOU DO WITH THE GOAL POSTS?!?!?
We were arguing whether 2015 was better than 2016 or vice versa. When did this become about the best year ever?
Your point went from "2016 was awesome" to "I hated Pod and Twin, so now that they're gone, that's why Modern is awesome!" Seems like the goalposts were moved by yourself.
You're right. How could I have been so mistaken? 2016 has been the best year Modern has ever seen!
Since Pod was banned at least. And I didn't play Pod. I friggen HATED Pod. But it was another "fair sometimes unfair other times" deck, just like Twin, to put a check on Twin. Without another deck in the same sphere to check it, Twin just couldn't last long. But prior to the Pod ban, prior to the printing of TC and DTT, Modern was great. 2016 (again, not counting Eldrazi Winter) has absolutely been the best Modern since then.
"Since Pod was banned." So 2016 is the best year in Modern's history! As long as that history only includes 2015 (which apparently was a terrible, awful, no-good year that saw massive growth in playerbase and deck diversity?) and ignores a gigantic chunk of 2016 (which was easily the worst 4 months in Modern history) and assumes everyone is in love with roulette wheel linear degeneracy dominating Summer and Fall. Just making sure we're on the same page here.
I'm sorry, I just blinked. And where did the goal posts go?!?! What DID YOU DO WITH THE GOAL POSTS?!?!?
We were arguing whether 2015 was better than 2016 or vice versa. When did this become about the best year ever?
Your point went from "2016 was awesome" to "I hated Pod and Twin, so now that they're gone, that's why Modern is awesome!" Seems like the goalposts were moved by yourself.
This post is wrong for multiple reasons.
1. I have never once said that I hated Twin. Please find me saying that in my post history. I played Twin. I enjoyed Twin. I was blind to the bad things Twin did to the format, just like most of us were at the time despite the regularity of sayings like "you either play Twin or play a deck that beats Twin," which at every other point in Magic history has been an incredibly negative statement.
2. Saying "2016 was awesome" and "now that Pod and Twin are gone Modern is awesome" are actually the same statement. There's no goal post moving there at all. The only time in Modern's history that both Pod and Twin were banned was 2016. They are the same statement. You can't move goal posts with the SAME STATEMENT.
3. Even if #2 were wrong, which it isn't, my second statement was only a response to your retort to my first statement. That's how conversations work. Simply conversing and clarifying does not constitute moving goal posts.
4. However, I never said 2016 was Modern's best year. I did say it was a couple nudges away from being perfect, so I can see how that could have been assumed, but that's not what I meant. So because I never said it, yet the argument became about me saying it (which... I didn't...), that's when the goal posts moved.
Yeah something def needs to change considering we're getting only about 12 modern players (down from about 22) and now getting 8-12 legacy every night (up from not firing to maybe 8 at max). This is even in Madison wi where the game is big! I personally have just built 2 legacy decks because I don't want to play an aggro/non interactive deck anymore. Modern needs some excitement again and that means unbans not bans.
I did say it(2016) was a couple nudges away from being perfect
This is just true. With a Dredge ban, the meta could really be super exciting and diverse. And more interactive for certain. At least, this is my opinion. Reasons for that? Others, and me, have explained them a whole lot of times I believe.
Yeah I think everybody has different interpretations of how to get there, but with almost all of them it only takes a few moves. Mine would be re-ban GGT, ban Eldrazi Temple, unban Preordain, then see what happens while keeping an eye toward potential future SFM, BBE, or JTMS unbans.
But I'll give the same caveat that I always feel I need to give - I know full well that neither Dredge nor Eldrazi are putting up the numbers to deserve a ban, and that neither is likely, especially Eldrazi Temple. I just feel the card has no place in Modern given that it's the only card in the format where [1 card = 1 land drop = 2 mana] and the only drawback is you have to play the best new color pie breaking undercosted beaters with great abilities.
the difference between the kind of "control" we'd find in a Control deck and the kind of "control" we'd find in a Prison deck, the difference is in the degree of what you hope to control.
This is exactly where Sullivan contradicts himself, and agrees with my statement that Prison is a subtype of Control. It's honestly pretty silly to state that Prison is not a Control strategy - whether you are A.Sullivan or anyone else.
That article was entirely unpersuasive insofar as distinguishing Prison as a separate archtype. He is arguing that prison decks are 'too controlling' to be called control decks. What a joke.
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I did say it(2016) was a couple nudges away from being perfect
This is just true. With a Dredge ban, the meta could really be super exciting and diverse. And more interactive for certain. At least, this is my opinion. Reasons for that? Others, and me, have explained them a whole lot of times I believe.
Yeah I think everybody has different interpretations of how to get there, but with almost all of them it only takes a few moves. Mine would be re-ban GGT, ban Eldrazi Temple, unban Preordain, then see what happens while keeping an eye toward potential future SFM, BBE, or JTMS unbans.
But I'll give the same caveat that I always feel I need to give - I know full well that neither Dredge nor Eldrazi are putting up the numbers to deserve a ban, and that neither is likely, especially Eldrazi Temple. I just feel the card has no place in Modern given that it's the only card in the format where [1 card = 1 land drop = 2 mana] and the only drawback is you have to play the best new color pie breaking undercosted beaters with great abilities.
To be 100% precise, mine would be GGT re-ban + Ancient Stirrings ban(to hit the extreme consistency of the decks that play the card), Preordain unban. Although, I would not mind a Twin unban, but this is only if Wizards don't intend to make the format better(more interactive to be precise). I believe you identify the only problem Modern has in that it is not that much interactive as you would possibly wanted it to be? This is mine anyway
Unban Twin? And if yes, why? - Let me explain my opinion: Twin was supposed to be a nice ban in the long term, but only if Wizards intends to give the format the much needed attention. There are a couple of steps WOTC should do to make the format better. But if they only design for type 2 and draft, Twin could be a nice autopilot(not the ideal one though) to make this format more interactive again.
Eh, I'm not all that concerned about the "interactivity" argument. Every deck is interactive to some degree, even Storm. I don't like getting into the weeds arguing about how to chop up those degrees and just how much each one varies.
But what I DO agree with is that Modern has a problem with answers. It has a number of very strong answers already, so really it's about finding the right answer at the right time. That's where Preordain comes in. But I'm also not opposed to strong new printings/reprintings like Opt, Baleful Strix, Counterspell, Innocent Blood, and maybe a few more.
Lets be serious. The format has plenty of room to stabilize, but too many people just want to netdeck the best decks and win. Seeing more brews at your LGS is a good thing, not bad.
Lets be serious. The format has plenty of room to stabilize, but too many people just want to netdeck the best decks and win. Seeing more brews at your LGS is a good thing, not bad.
Not when your brews are just wrecked by every unfair/turbo aggro deck, that's the issue. You can't brew currently and do decently.
Temur Twin
Grixis Twin
UR Twin
URW Twin winning that tournament was the final straw for WOTC banning Twin decks
Grixis control was just a phad, people wanted something new so it was hot that summer. Twin was making a huge comeback before it was banned.
Outside of having fun, there's no reason to play a control deck outside of Twin.
I wouldn't cry if Twin was unbanned though, the deck was so much fun.
Blue needs a 2 mana hard counter-spell, but there's no way WOTC will introduce that, which is a shame. I'm disappointed I come back months later to find that Nahiri decks basically don't exist anymore
I don't think a control deck exists today, especially without having to dodge several top tier bad matchups and get extremely lucky. But I guess it was worse before, when they had the option of a good win condition in a deck that was never oppressive?
Outside of stubbornness, there's no reason to play a control deck today.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
Jeskai Control, Grixis Control, Lantern Control, Skred Red, Sun and Moon
My H/W list
I guess if you count prison decks and <1% decks, all is well. No worries. Modern is fine!
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
Bro, 3 of those are prison decks. They have a control element, but they are not it.
For instance, there is no aggro since DSA, Suicide bloo, Burn, Infect, Dredge and Affinity are all (considered) aggro-combo decks. So no aggro?
Bro.
edit: I think this is a good time to bring up the definitions of archtypes. I'm not sure we need definitions exactly - crowdsourcing that sort of thing might not be so easy to do in this type of medium.
So, on the premise that some people feel certain archtypes are not represented:
What are the archtypes that we want to consider for balance/diversity?
Is it: Aggro, Combo, Midrange, Control
Or: Aggro, aggro-combo, tempo, midrange, prison, control, ramp, combo?
something else?
How many archtypes are there for consideration when we speak of a lack of archtype diversity? What are they?
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I think Gkourou answered your conundrum--bro
Control is typically thought of having answers to the questions, prison decks just shut you out
This was done by searching Modern articles on SCG, CFB, and TCG for both years but not counting the mentioned time frames and then averaging. 2015 had (rounded up) 7 negative Modern articles per month while 2016 so far has had 4 per month. Granted, many articles discuss both pros and cons so it was fairly subjective to determine the overall theme. I didn't just count any random complaint but focused more on whether it seemed more than 50% of the article was either complaints or ban suggestions.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
You're right. How could I have been so mistaken? I mean, as long as we pretend Eldrazi Winter never happened and are totally OK with the linear degeneracy dominance of Summer and Fall, then 2016 has been the best year Modern has ever seen!
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
"Since Pod was banned." So 2016 is the best year in Modern's history! As long as that history only includes 2015 (which apparently was a terrible, awful, no-good year that saw massive growth in playerbase and deck diversity?) and ignores a gigantic chunk of 2016 (which was easily the worst 4 months in Modern history) and assumes everyone is in love with roulette wheel linear degeneracy dominating Summer and Fall. Just making sure we're on the same page here.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
We were arguing whether 2015 was better than 2016 or vice versa. When did this become about the best year ever?
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
I'm just trying to highlight how silly it sounds to call 2016 such a great year for Modern when it was riddled with a slew of problems and criticisms that, while many were based on pre-existing contitions, have been exaggerated and have grown substantially throughout this year. This is without even having to cite Eldrazi Winter, which we just pretend never happened and didn't ruin a quarter of the entire year and left the rest of it in chaos.
But sure. 2016 has been great!
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
Your point went from "2016 was awesome" to "I hated Pod and Twin, so now that they're gone, that's why Modern is awesome!" Seems like the goalposts were moved by yourself.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
1. I have never once said that I hated Twin. Please find me saying that in my post history. I played Twin. I enjoyed Twin. I was blind to the bad things Twin did to the format, just like most of us were at the time despite the regularity of sayings like "you either play Twin or play a deck that beats Twin," which at every other point in Magic history has been an incredibly negative statement.
2. Saying "2016 was awesome" and "now that Pod and Twin are gone Modern is awesome" are actually the same statement. There's no goal post moving there at all. The only time in Modern's history that both Pod and Twin were banned was 2016. They are the same statement. You can't move goal posts with the SAME STATEMENT.
3. Even if #2 were wrong, which it isn't, my second statement was only a response to your retort to my first statement. That's how conversations work. Simply conversing and clarifying does not constitute moving goal posts.
4. However, I never said 2016 was Modern's best year. I did say it was a couple nudges away from being perfect, so I can see how that could have been assumed, but that's not what I meant. So because I never said it, yet the argument became about me saying it (which... I didn't...), that's when the goal posts moved.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
But I'll give the same caveat that I always feel I need to give - I know full well that neither Dredge nor Eldrazi are putting up the numbers to deserve a ban, and that neither is likely, especially Eldrazi Temple. I just feel the card has no place in Modern given that it's the only card in the format where [1 card = 1 land drop = 2 mana] and the only drawback is you have to play the best new color pie breaking undercosted beaters with great abilities.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
This is exactly where Sullivan contradicts himself, and agrees with my statement that Prison is a subtype of Control. It's honestly pretty silly to state that Prison is not a Control strategy - whether you are A.Sullivan or anyone else.
That article was entirely unpersuasive insofar as distinguishing Prison as a separate archtype. He is arguing that prison decks are 'too controlling' to be called control decks. What a joke.
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Azorius Control UW
Burn RBG
But what I DO agree with is that Modern has a problem with answers. It has a number of very strong answers already, so really it's about finding the right answer at the right time. That's where Preordain comes in. But I'm also not opposed to strong new printings/reprintings like Opt, Baleful Strix, Counterspell, Innocent Blood, and maybe a few more.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
RUG Temur Deprive Delver
BUG Sultai Deprive Delver
Not when your brews are just wrecked by every unfair/turbo aggro deck, that's the issue. You can't brew currently and do decently.
KnightfallGWUR
Azorius Control UW
Burn RBG
Prison decks aren't a new brew. It's the same exact cards that have been seeing play. Brews are new cards and synergies.
Lantern was a new brew, there was a wizards beck that was a brew, summer bloom etc decks using nonregularly used cards.
Brews are not just seldom used cards thrown together to do something "new".
RUG Temur Deprive Delver
BUG Sultai Deprive Delver
So switching around 10 cards in a deck makes it a brew? New ideas are brews. Bloodmoon chalice on 1 lock isn't a new idea lol.