I guess my point with DRS is how great is it with rest in peace in play? Leyline the void? Against an opposing Scooze? Relic of progenitus? Tormod's crypt? I mean the card already dies to virtually everything. Its ability is completely game state based. And it just so happens that working on its game state resources, or rather limiting them, also works against a couple serious threats that are currently legal, namely delirium, dredge and oh yeah, tarmogoyf. Of course it won't be unbanned but thinking that it is too much for this format is a joke. If this format couldn't handle DRS, how could it handle a card that says "I win" given a current game state (turn four, sometimes sooner) or something that says gain four life and brainstorm every turn or something that says hello broken equipment, you are now cheaper and in play?
And do not, I repeat do not use ubiquity as an excuse. It's not. The very fact that it has been used in the past as a reason is the biggest black eye on this format. You want to have something competitive and then ban the best players? Don't be stupid.
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And do not, I repeat do not use ubiquity as an excuse. It's not. The very fact that it has been used in the past as a reason is the biggest black eye on this format. You want to have something competitive and then ban the best players? Don't be stupid.
Whether you agree or disagree with their ban criteria, you should at least acknowledge it as such. Therefore, posters pointing to diversity and dominance issues do have a point when discussing the most (im)probable un(bans), specifically Deathrite Shaman. One minor caveat that you may be missing: ubiquity is not the problem. Bolt, Path, Seize, Serum and other staples "get a pass" because they allow multiple decks across multiple archetypes. A card's ubiquity is only a problem when such card only enables a single deck or similar decks that dominate the format (Eye of Ugin and Deathrite Shaman are examples of this, at different levels of course).
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At first, I was surprised by how strong Reality Smasher and TKS... but after Eye of Ugin got banned.. I'm fine with them now. Bant Eldrazi is just ano ther strong deck that's tier 1.. not tier 0. There are scarier decks here in my meta like Dredge and Abzan with infinite life combo.
Yea they are not feeling too good like back when eye was legal but I do feel the eldrazi archetype is geeting to almost over represented levels. Bant and eldrazi tron are for the most part the same strategy just one goes a bit mlre over the top.
I guess my point with DRS is how great is it with rest in peace in play? Leyline the void? Against an opposing Scooze? Relic of progenitus? Tormod's crypt? I mean the card already dies to virtually everything. Its ability is completely game state based. And it just so happens that working on its game state resources, or rather limiting them, also works against a couple serious threats that are currently legal, namely delirium, dredge and oh yeah, tarmogoyf. Of course it won't be unbanned but thinking that it is too much for this format is a joke. If this format couldn't handle DRS, how could it handle a card that says "I win" given a current game state (turn four, sometimes sooner) or something that says gain four life and brainstorm every turn or something that says hello broken equipment, you are now cheaper and in play?
And do not, I repeat do not use ubiquity as an excuse. It's not. The very fact that it has been used in the past as a reason is the biggest black eye on this format. You want to have something competitive and then ban the best players? Don't be stupid.
No, the format couldn't handle it because it does way too much. Against Burn, they have to kill it on sight, so they probably waste a Bolt on it that they would rather have burned you with. Against decks with graveyard interactions, like Dredge or Snapcaster decks, an active DRS ties your hands similar to how Scooze does. Against other Midrange and Control decks, he powers out your 3 and 4 drops ahead of curve. And if that's not enough, he can just be a repeatable Shock too. All of that is WAY TOO MUCH for a 1 mana card. It doesn't matter if he dies to removal. He's never a bad card in a match, and never a bad card at any point that you draw him in a game. He would be by far the best creature in Modern (hell, he's already arguably the best creature in Legacy).
And the argument you made above that he's a fair card isn't really valid either. You could make a card that was:
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and that would be a card doing fair things that was WAY too good. There's a line somewhere on how much you can get from a card at each mana cost, and DRS is way over that line.
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So what? Burn has to interact with it so it's broken? WTF. Why is it too much? Every one of those effects are board state dependent. DRS is a bad card late game with no graveyard so you can't say it's never a bad card. And know your creature is far more busted because it is far less dependent on the game state and its abilities have a larger effect on interaction. DRS made like zero splash in standard and legacy and yet modern has to ban it. IDK, I just think we went down a rabbit hole we shouldn't have because now every good card is subject to banning, just depends on the deck it winds up in. I mean DRS at 1 mana is undercosted, I agree. But at 2 mana it's almost unplayable. To me, it almost feels like WotC wanted to make gy interactions more standardized and it just didn't take. I mean things like delve and delirium and dredge and SCM are not nearly as good when there is something feeding off the yard. Rather than wait to see how it shakes out, the modern format did what it always does, whine to WotC to come make it better. And boom, precedent set, course corrected. I know its not coming off and it like needs to stay on with the format WotC created. I don't think that is necessarily indicative of it being broken, rather modern is broken and it always will be.
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Certainly and I have also never heard a peep about it being bad(for the game) or too overpowered. Granted legacy is a larger environment but virtually everything necessary to deal with DRS in legacy is available in modern. Sure there are a couple kill spells missing but killing DRS was never a problem to begin with.
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If you have to cite a bunch of narrow graveyard hate sideboard cards as ways to beat it to paint a picture of DRS being fine and balanced then you've already lost that one.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
Wow people are really arguing drs lol. This is the problem with the format. No one is on the same page as to what its power level should be. Are some new to the game/format? Hard to take this thread seriously when people state things like drs isn't good in legacy. 2 weeks ago Jace was too op now people want drs (because g/b needs help?) lol
Certainly and I have also never heard a peep about it being bad(for the game) or too overpowered. Granted legacy is a larger environment but virtually everything necessary to deal with DRS in legacy is available in modern. Sure there are a couple kill spells missing but killing DRS was never a problem to begin with.
Yeah, it's not overpowered in Legacy, a format where SFM is only fringe playable. You're forgetting, though, that DRS was legal in Modern and it was completely busted. Jund was 20% of the meta and was pretty much winning every GP while it was legal.
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Narrow? Yeah they only deal with tarmogoyf, dredge, SCM, and delirium. Pretty narrow...I don't think that word means what you think it means...
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And I never said it wasn't good. I said it didn't make a splash, which granted is a bit understating since in concordance with other cards it is very viable.
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I'm pretty sure, if you look at the win numbers, it under performed. Yes it was always there but it didn't put up wins like say Twin did. DRS never caused jund to win before turn 4. People just played it because it was good and interactive. BTW, isn't SFM usually played in the same deck as DRS? I mean you guys are talking about Deathblade builds when you refer to how impactful DRS is in Legacy. Yeah, impactful with a bunch of other banned cards and stuff not even in modern...
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Yeah they are narrow in the context of DRS and decks as individual strategies. Of course it sounds great when you lump all graveyard interactions together and say that graveyard hate deals with all of them, in reality they are speed bumps at best except for dredge.
GY hate is a great way to beat dredge's whole strategy. But when you bring them in to beat a 1-drop ? Doesn't look so impressive now. And of course let's also just assume that those strategies with 6-8 main deck discard spells and abrupt decays dont have ways to deal with graveyard hate and also only play creatures that rely on well stocked graveyards.
There are also at least 3 or 4 different top-tier BUG strategies in legacy that run DRS without SFM. There are a bunch of 4C(BUGR) decks that forsake white entirely and play DRS. White is probably the weakest colour you play DRS with in legacy.
BUG delver, shardless BUG, Aluren, Grixis Delver (Yeah grixis splashes green duals to play DRS), 4C control just off the top of my head. And then the 'lousier' DRS decks like Maverick and deathblade variants.
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Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
Certainly and I have also never heard a peep about it being bad(for the game) or too overpowered. Granted legacy is a larger environment but virtually everything necessary to deal with DRS in legacy is available in modern. Sure there are a couple kill spells missing but killing DRS was never a problem to begin with.
Sure we have most of the same kill spells for drs as legacy, but we are missing so much more that legacy has to deal with drs aside from just killing it. Sure, you fatal push their drs, but the decks drs go in are not just about playing a drs then winning twenty turns later, you now have to answer the liliana, goyf, and deaths shadow that come down after. You have to face down twelve maindeck discard spells before answering these threats too. You also have to try to kill them with their plentiful maindeck removal while answering these threats. Siding in grave hate to counter their 1 drop is hilarious at best, it will best hands dependent on the Shaman but lose to the rest of the 75. When you mix drs with the bgx package, there just isn't any other decks powerful enough to contest what the drs deck is doing. We don't have miracles, we don't have dark ritual, we don't have brainstorm. We don't have true name. Having drs in the meta makes bgx the best by a large margin, and it's already the best thing you can be doing in modern without it
I'm pretty sure, if you look at the win numbers, it under performed. Yes it was always there but it didn't put up wins like say Twin did. DRS never caused jund to win before turn 4. People just played it because it was good and interactive. BTW, isn't SFM usually played in the same deck as DRS? I mean you guys are talking about Deathblade builds when you refer to how impactful DRS is in Legacy. Yeah, impactful with a bunch of other banned cards and stuff not even in modern...
Why do you even want DRS banned? What format issue is it addressing? Or are you just claiming it should be unbanned because it would be safe in the format? Because right now, the only thing I read in your arguments is that you are a BGx player and you personally want the card.
So what? Burn has to interact with it so it's broken? WTF. Why is it too much? Every one of those effects are board state dependent. DRS is a bad card late game with no graveyard so you can't say it's never a bad card. And know your creature is far more busted because it is far less dependent on the game state and its abilities have a larger effect on interaction. DRS made like zero splash in standard and legacy and yet modern has to ban it. IDK, I just think we went down a rabbit hole we shouldn't have because now every good card is subject to banning, just depends on the deck it winds up in. I mean DRS at 1 mana is undercosted, I agree. But at 2 mana it's almost unplayable. To me, it almost feels like WotC wanted to make gy interactions more standardized and it just didn't take. I mean things like delve and delirium and dredge and SCM are not nearly as good when there is something feeding off the yard. Rather than wait to see how it shakes out, the modern format did what it always does, whine to WotC to come make it better. And boom, precedent set, course corrected. I know its not coming off and it like needs to stay on with the format WotC created. I don't think that is necessarily indicative of it being broken, rather modern is broken and it always will be.
DRS is legacy's number one creature mate. The card is OP. It didn't do much in standard because there weren't fetch lands.
The difference between 1 mana DRS and 2 mana DRS is like Lightning Bolt vs Searing Spear. One is ubiquitous and one of the most played card in a powerful format and the other sees standard play sometimes.
Also, I feel like modern needs more/better answer cards. It seems like there are a lot of decks that just try to run over their opponent instead of playing against each other. Please give us Counterspell I'll take Preordain too please.
I had a bit of a different recollection about jund's success during that time and actually went through the 2013 GP winner decks. I was not really surprised when I found out that jund won 0% of the GPs during that time.
So how are you arriving at it winning most of them?
It won GP Lyon 2012 and GP Chicago 2012. Beyond that, GBx was 20% of the GP/PT top 8s while it was legal. I was exaggerating a bit when I said it won all of them, but it was specifically banned for GBx's dominance at the GP level.
I'm pretty sure, if you look at the win numbers, it under performed. Yes it was always there but it didn't put up wins like say Twin did. DRS never caused jund to win before turn 4. People just played it because it was good and interactive.
Lol, dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. DRS Jund was WAY better than Twin ever was. Twin at its peak reached like 12% of the meta. DRS Jund was 20%.
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I believe you mean, unbanned. And I don't rightly care. Its a topic of conversation. My point with DRS is not so much that it's banned or that it could be unbanned but rather that the precedent set by it isn't a good one and it was one of the initial cards that set modern down this path. And if that is what you read into it, you need to get your intuition fixed. I play mostly fish now.
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Hey, I think it should be. It's good. I think it should be modern's most played creature too. I don't think you have the right format mate. We don't have counterspell in modern...
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I believe you mean, unbanned. And I don't rightly care. Its a topic of conversation. My point with DRS is not so much that it's banned or that it could be unbanned but rather that the precedent set by it isn't a good one and it was one of the initial cards that set modern down this path. And if that is what you read into it, you need to get your intuition fixed. I play mostly fish now.
Just to confirm, BGx was about 20% of the meta when DRS was legal, and you think it's a bad precedent to nerf a deck with meta shares that high? I'm curious as to what you consider to be too high a meta share because I'm pretty sure most people on this thread would agree that 20% is ridiculously high even before Twin was banned and lowered the bar for what constitutes too high of meta shares by WotC's standards.
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I believe you mean, unbanned. And I don't rightly care. Its a topic of conversation. My point with DRS is not so much that it's banned or that it could be unbanned but rather that the precedent set by it isn't a good one and it was one of the initial cards that set modern down this path. And if that is what you read into it, you need to get your intuition fixed. I play mostly fish now.
So you think they set a bad precedent by nerfing a deck that was 20% of the meta? Do you understand how format balancing works?
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I believe you mean, unbanned. And I don't rightly care. Its a topic of conversation. My point with DRS is not so much that it's banned or that it could be unbanned but rather that the precedent set by it isn't a good one and it was one of the initial cards that set modern down this path. And if that is what you read into it, you need to get your intuition fixed. I play mostly fish now.
Well, you have a BG Rock with a heart next to it at the top of your signature, and so far none of your arguments have made much sense about DRS's unbanning. So either you secretly want it for BGx, which would at least explain why you want it back, or you're just willing to ignore all of the initial reasons for its banning and Wizards entire diversity ban criterion to advance some strange argument that no one else is making. Is it just for the sake of "conversation?" I just don't get it. Do you even have answers to my questions of what decks does DRS actually help right now? Or what format problems does it fix?
And do not, I repeat do not use ubiquity as an excuse. It's not. The very fact that it has been used in the past as a reason is the biggest black eye on this format. You want to have something competitive and then ban the best players? Don't be stupid.
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Yea they are not feeling too good like back when eye was legal but I do feel the eldrazi archetype is geeting to almost over represented levels. Bant and eldrazi tron are for the most part the same strategy just one goes a bit mlre over the top.
No, the format couldn't handle it because it does way too much. Against Burn, they have to kill it on sight, so they probably waste a Bolt on it that they would rather have burned you with. Against decks with graveyard interactions, like Dredge or Snapcaster decks, an active DRS ties your hands similar to how Scooze does. Against other Midrange and Control decks, he powers out your 3 and 4 drops ahead of curve. And if that's not enough, he can just be a repeatable Shock too. All of that is WAY TOO MUCH for a 1 mana card. It doesn't matter if he dies to removal. He's never a bad card in a match, and never a bad card at any point that you draw him in a game. He would be by far the best creature in Modern (hell, he's already arguably the best creature in Legacy).
And the argument you made above that he's a fair card isn't really valid either. You could make a card that was:
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and that would be a card doing fair things that was WAY too good. There's a line somewhere on how much you can get from a card at each mana cost, and DRS is way over that line.
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????? Wut....... DRS is like the best creature in Legacy.... Have you ever actually seen the card in games?
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Yeah, it's not overpowered in Legacy, a format where SFM is only fringe playable. You're forgetting, though, that DRS was legal in Modern and it was completely busted. Jund was 20% of the meta and was pretty much winning every GP while it was legal.
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GY hate is a great way to beat dredge's whole strategy. But when you bring them in to beat a 1-drop ? Doesn't look so impressive now. And of course let's also just assume that those strategies with 6-8 main deck discard spells and abrupt decays dont have ways to deal with graveyard hate and also only play creatures that rely on well stocked graveyards.
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There are also at least 3 or 4 different top-tier BUG strategies in legacy that run DRS without SFM. There are a bunch of 4C(BUGR) decks that forsake white entirely and play DRS. White is probably the weakest colour you play DRS with in legacy.
BUG delver, shardless BUG, Aluren, Grixis Delver (Yeah grixis splashes green duals to play DRS), 4C control just off the top of my head. And then the 'lousier' DRS decks like Maverick and deathblade variants.
Edit: And lest we forget, turn 4 rule is not the only metric by which bans are decided.
When people are bringing up DRS it probably means the format is looking good.
Sure we have most of the same kill spells for drs as legacy, but we are missing so much more that legacy has to deal with drs aside from just killing it. Sure, you fatal push their drs, but the decks drs go in are not just about playing a drs then winning twenty turns later, you now have to answer the liliana, goyf, and deaths shadow that come down after. You have to face down twelve maindeck discard spells before answering these threats too. You also have to try to kill them with their plentiful maindeck removal while answering these threats. Siding in grave hate to counter their 1 drop is hilarious at best, it will best hands dependent on the Shaman but lose to the rest of the 75. When you mix drs with the bgx package, there just isn't any other decks powerful enough to contest what the drs deck is doing. We don't have miracles, we don't have dark ritual, we don't have brainstorm. We don't have true name. Having drs in the meta makes bgx the best by a large margin, and it's already the best thing you can be doing in modern without it
UWRjeskai nahiri UWR
UBRgrixis titi UBR
UBRgrixis delverUBR
UR ur kikimite UR
EDH
RUG Riku of Two Reflections RUG
UBR Marchesa, the Black Rose UBR
UBRGYidris, Maelstrom Wielder UBRG
UBRJeleva, Nephalia's ScourgeUBR
Why do you even want DRS banned? What format issue is it addressing? Or are you just claiming it should be unbanned because it would be safe in the format? Because right now, the only thing I read in your arguments is that you are a BGx player and you personally want the card.
DRS is legacy's number one creature mate. The card is OP. It didn't do much in standard because there weren't fetch lands.
The difference between 1 mana DRS and 2 mana DRS is like Lightning Bolt vs Searing Spear. One is ubiquitous and one of the most played card in a powerful format and the other sees standard play sometimes.
Also, I feel like modern needs more/better answer cards. It seems like there are a lot of decks that just try to run over their opponent instead of playing against each other. Please give us Counterspell I'll take Preordain too please.
It won GP Lyon 2012 and GP Chicago 2012. Beyond that, GBx was 20% of the GP/PT top 8s while it was legal. I was exaggerating a bit when I said it won all of them, but it was specifically banned for GBx's dominance at the GP level.
Lol, dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. DRS Jund was WAY better than Twin ever was. Twin at its peak reached like 12% of the meta. DRS Jund was 20%.
UBR Grixis Shadow UBR
UR Izzet Phoenix UR
UW UW Control UW
GB GB Rock GB
Commander
BG Meren of Clan Nel Toth BG
BGUW Atraxa, Praetor's Voice BGUW
GB Rock
U Flooding Merfolk
RUG Delver Midrange
WU Monks
UW Tempo Geist
GW Bogle
GW Liege
UR Tron
B Vampires
Affinity
Legacy
Fish
Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity
EDH
W Akroma
GBW Ghave
BRU Thrax
GR Ruric
I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
GB Rock
U Flooding Merfolk
RUG Delver Midrange
WU Monks
UW Tempo Geist
GW Bogle
GW Liege
UR Tron
B Vampires
Affinity
Legacy
Fish
Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity
EDH
W Akroma
GBW Ghave
BRU Thrax
GR Ruric
I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
Modern:
UWUW Control
UBRGrixis Shadow
URIzzet Phoenix
So you think they set a bad precedent by nerfing a deck that was 20% of the meta? Do you understand how format balancing works?
UBR Grixis Shadow UBR
UR Izzet Phoenix UR
UW UW Control UW
GB GB Rock GB
Commander
BG Meren of Clan Nel Toth BG
BGUW Atraxa, Praetor's Voice BGUW
Well, you have a BG Rock with a heart next to it at the top of your signature, and so far none of your arguments have made much sense about DRS's unbanning. So either you secretly want it for BGx, which would at least explain why you want it back, or you're just willing to ignore all of the initial reasons for its banning and Wizards entire diversity ban criterion to advance some strange argument that no one else is making. Is it just for the sake of "conversation?" I just don't get it. Do you even have answers to my questions of what decks does DRS actually help right now? Or what format problems does it fix?
Its more a 'no banlist modern' type card though.
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